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What's the most you would give up for Ben Simmons?

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Buffalo Custard said:
It may be worse than that. They are going to have to take back a lot of salary to make a deal work...imagine if they get stuck taking an albatross contract like Love or Westbrick!
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Its crazy that trading Simmons for John Wall might give the 6ers a better chance to win upcoming games.
 
Buffalo Custard said:
Read an interesting take on the situation. The gist of it is that Morey is still embarassed over the hosing he took in the Paul/Westbrick trade and he would rather weather the BS of the current situation than make another bad deal. For all his professed love of analytics, this is a situation where he is incapable of being objective.

Pride goeth before the fall. (insert your own pithey saying here :devilwink:)
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Yeah I strongly suspect this as well. If any owners disagree, I bet he'd even be happy to get fired, keep his 50 million, and keep pride in not making a bad Simmons deal.

I don't understand how the 6ers can expect Ben to actually play for them again, that just doesn't seem possible in a useful way. I'd think they would come to a John Wall agreement where Simmons can sit at home, get paid, and wait for a trade, but who knows.
 
Buffalo Custard said:
Read an interesting take on the situation. The gist of it is that Morey is still embarassed over the hosing he took in the Paul/Westbrick trade and he would rather weather the BS of the current situation than make another bad deal. For all his professed love of analytics, this is a situation where he is incapable of being objective.

Pride goeth before the fall. (insert your own pithey saying here :devilwink:)
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Wonder how embarrassed he is watching CJ play so far lolol.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Its crazy that trading Simmons for John Wall might give the 6ers a better chance to win upcoming games.
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Well, either it's crazy because it's patently false, or you're saying "having John Wall play AT ALL is better than having Simmons NOT playing at all," which would have to be true unless Wall is worse than playing Maxey/Shake all the minutes. And come to think of it...
 
Buffalo Custard said:
Read an interesting take on the situation. The gist of it is that Morey is still embarassed over the hosing he took in the Paul/Westbrick trade and he would rather weather the BS of the current situation than make another bad deal. For all his professed love of analytics, this is a situation where he is incapable of being objective.

Pride goeth before the fall. (insert your own pithey saying here :devilwink:)
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Analysis paralysis
 
AmirIcon said:
But Morey got that leverage.
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More so than Ben imo.
Thats why Bens back now to get paid because they were fining him. Next they can suspend him without pay. As long as Philly continues to win Mirey can take his time.
Morey can wait till all the offers come in then he’ll create an auction.
 
Hoopguru said:
More so than Ben imo.
Thats why Bens back now to get paid because they were fining him. Next they can suspend him without pay. As long as Philly continues to win Mirey can take his time.
Morey can wait till all the offers come in then he’ll create an auction.
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How is Morey's actions helping create a good auction of "offers come in"?

If I'm a team interested in trading for Simmons I'd have probably offered more if Ben had just been sitting at home with an excused leave.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
How is Morey's actions helping create a good auction of "offers come in"?

If I'm a team interested in trading for Simmons I'd have probably offered more if Ben had just been sitting at home with an excused leave.
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The gm and owners know all this is simply drama and positioning. They know if Ben is someone that fits and they all know he’s all world defensively and they are bidding against others it outs Morey in a better position. They also know they arent going to get him a bargain basement price.
Salaries are having to be close too.
 
Hoopguru said:
More so than Ben imo.
Thats why Bens back now to get paid because they were fining him. Next they can suspend him without pay.
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they could suspend him when he didn't report. That was legal since it was a violation of his contract. If he's reporting to team functions, but claiming injury or being 'not ready', Philly can't suspend him without pay. Playrs have missed most of full seasons plenty of times because of a "bad back". If he shows up to games, Philly fans treat him like shit (which they definitely will) and doesn't play...he gets paid. Philly doesn't have as much leverage as you imagine and they will be paying 35M a year for a distraction at best, and a team killing mess at worst.

Philly loses all it's leverage if Simmons simply accepts he's stuck in a bad situation and just goes thru motions. He doesn't have to prove good faith, just not expose himself to bad faith claims and that's easy enough. He'll make 170M over the next 4 years; his salary will hamstring the 76ers salary cap; and the debacle will eat thru Embiid's prime which Morey said it what he's trying to maximize. That's bullshit of course because what Morey seems intent on is minimizing the bruising of his own ego
 
Just don’t see us making the trade now, think Billups would be happy to run it out this year. Also can’t see us giving much more than CJ and pick or CJ and Anf or little. Other teams will out bid us of course if CJ keeps tearing it up maybe Morey decides CJ is perfect fit

personally I think he’d kill it in Philly. His game translates well for other teams. Either way I’m ok with our team
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Just don’t see us making the trade now, think Billups would be happy to run it out this year. Also can’t see us giving much more than CJ and pick or CJ and Anf or little. Other teams will out bid us of course if CJ keeps tearing it up maybe Morey decides CJ is perfect fit

personally I think he’d kill it in Philly. His game translates well for other teams. Either way I’m ok with our team
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The thing is that CJ is the perfect fit. He's exactly what they need. They can start him with Milton or Thybulle in the back court so he'll be surrounded with D. That team needs a shot maker that can really create offense... there are other guys out there but I don't know if they're available. It's been a trade that Zach Lowe and others have been talking about for over a year now.

With them having the roster they do a pick or picks make more sense to sweeten the deal than either of our young talented guys. If Morey actually offered Simmons for CJ 3 firsts and 3 swaps, I would hope we offered CJ one first and one swap. Then if Morey came back with 2 picks and 2 swaps we should negotiate some protections and move forward with a much more balanced team.
 
Hoopguru said:
More so than Ben imo.
Thats why Bens back now to get paid because they were fining him. Next they can suspend him without pay. As long as Philly continues to win Mirey can take his time.
Morey can wait till all the offers come in then he’ll create an auction.
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LMAO Ben's value continues to dwindle every game he doesn't play. No question about that. Morey has no leverage over reality.
 
Sixers fans are smart for chanting F Simmons, they know after all the years of watching him play and not improve, or even have the courage to shoot. Unlike some in here still gaga over Simmons, really some of the Simmons fan boys here are the only ones across all social media and news outlets that actually support and want Simmons.
 
sheed30 said:
Sixers fans are smart for chanting F Simmons, they know after all the years of watching him play and not improve, or even have the courage to shoot. Unlike some in here still gaga over Simmons, really some of the Simmons fan boys here are the only ones across all social media and news outlets that actually support and want Simmons.
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it’s not smart because he will have to play for them again as it’s obvious by now that Morey won’t just give him away. He needs to rebuild some value. Chanting against him isn’t going to speed up the process, if anything it’ll do the opposite.
 
This chanting doesn't increase his value around the league neither. It is not very smart to shit on your product while you selling it.
 
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That was a joke. hahahahahah.
 
wizenheimer said:
they could suspend him when he didn't report. That was legal since it was a violation of his contract. If he's reporting to team functions, but claiming injury or being 'not ready', Philly can't suspend him without pay. Playrs have missed most of full seasons plenty of times because of a "bad back". If he shows up to games, Philly fans treat him like shit (which they definitely will) and doesn't play...he gets paid. Philly doesn't have as much leverage as you imagine and they will be paying 35M a year for a distraction at best, and a team killing mess at worst.

Philly loses all it's leverage if Simmons simply accepts he's stuck in a bad situation and just goes thru motions. He doesn't have to prove good faith, just not expose himself to bad faith claims and that's easy enough. He'll make 170M over the next 4 years; his salary will hamstring the 76ers salary cap; and the debacle will eat thru Embiid's prime which Morey said it what he's trying to maximize. That's bullshit of course because what Morey seems intent on is minimizing the bruising of his own ego
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Cant stand Morey, but he doesnt have to0, in a panic trade him for closeout price. Again, its all drama on both sides but other GM's that like Ben's game and accomplishments know they wont get him by simply a low ball you've screwed the pouch offer.
So, he waits and knows more offers and increased offers will develop. Some team that values Ben as the missing piece (and if its a small market team) just might offer another star and some to have the ability to get him for at least 3 more years.
Many in here figured he would have been traded before the season even started because Philly should clear the air quickly and move on. I figured and still do believe it will take a couple months before teams start to panic and increase offers. Thats usually when all the big action can happen anyway and up to the deadline.
 
Every day Ben sits out and the Blazers defense looks good, this trade seems less and less like a decent/good thing for us.
Moreonn is gonna kick himself in the ass for not taking Cj when CJ makes the all star team this year….

Dumbass…
 
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UKRAINEFAN said:
I'd like to know if Simmons is working out offsite with a personal trainer, on his fitness and shooting?
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me too. Never any tweets posted or anything a out working hard in the gym..

You would think it might be the best pr move for him to show his next team he is working on things and build a bit of confidence that he is worthy of trading for.


is he pulling a cj?

“I lift weights!!!”
 
Shouldn’t we pretty much be done for now with this whole conversation, at least as far as the Blazers go? Morey isn’t trading Simmons for CJ. That supposed deal has been discussed to death and, if it was going to happen, would have happened by now. Giving Morey his wet dream of Damian Lillard for Simmons would be monumentally stupid and isn’t going to happen. If Dame wants out, there are going to be better places for him to go than Philly and better returns for the Blazers than the offensively-challenged Simmons. Sure, the whole melodrama is fun to watch, but as far as relevance to the Blazers, it’s a boring discussion.
 
Scalma said:
it’s not smart because he will have to play for them again as it’s obvious by now that Morey won’t just give him away. He needs to rebuild some value. Chanting against him isn’t going to speed up the process, if anything it’ll do the opposite.
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It’s also lowering his value, Morey has no choice but trade him and the entire league knows it
 
e_blazer said:
Shouldn’t we pretty much be done for now with this whole conversation, at least as far as the Blazers go? Morey isn’t trading Simmons for CJ. That supposed deal has been discussed to death and, if it was going to happen, would have happened by now. Giving Morey his wet dream of Damian Lillard for Simmons would be monumentally stupid and isn’t going to happen. If Dame wants out, there are going to be better places for him to go than Philly and better returns for the Blazers than the offensively-challenged Simmons. Sure, the whole melodrama is fun to watch, but as far as relevance to the Blazers, it’s a boring discussion.
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Ben Simmons with a broken jump shot averages only a few points less than CJ in their respective careers. But he also averages way more assists and is arguably the best one on one defender in the league. It's no wonder Blazers fans think he'd be a really good fit with all the duplication in skill set we have with CJ in Norm and Simons.
 
AmirIcon said:
Ben Simmons with a broken jump shot averages only a few points less than CJ in their respective careers. But he also averages way more assists and is arguably the best one on one defender in the league. It's no wonder Blazers fans think he'd be a really good fit with all the duplication in skill set we have with CJ in Norm and Simons.
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If you include assists, that is true. Not counting CJ's first 2 years (as he wasn't getting shots/minutes like he does now), collectively they both provide about 30 points a game (their own points + assists). It's the defense that makes a huge difference.
 
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