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When he does speak about "we" he's making the case that people should do as he does.
 
Is it to late for a third party to enter the race? At least a third party could possibly balance out the polarization some, and offer a more viable option to two parties that are bent on zero compromise.
 
Hoopguru said:
Is it to late for a third party to enter the race? At least a third party could possibly balance out the polarization some, and offer a more viable option to two parties that are bent on zero compromise.
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Unfortunately it is too late. This is the issue with independents to run. It takes a lot of money and organization to register for each State. Last election, the third parties were only registered in some of the states, so there was no chance they could win the election.
 
yankeesince59 said:
More like cutting off a foot to insure a Trump re-election.

Also, he doesn't speak for all Sanders followers, and Sanders will throw his support Biden's way.
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bodyman5000 and 1 said:
He didn't say he spoke for all Sanders followers. The likely fact is that most hardcore people who followed Sanders think the same way.
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I'm having a hard time caring what 'most hardcore people' do. There aren't very many of them.

He doesn't want them to give away what power they have to force change, if they hold their nose and vote for Biden the corporate owned DNC will do it to them again.
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Yes, maybe one more term of Trump is exactly what is needed to put a far-left government in power. One wasn't enough, but two should surely do it, right? What an sensible, logical plan.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I'm having a hard time caring what 'most hardcore people' do. There aren't very many of them.
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Very true. That same argument was made back in 2016 with the hardcore conservatives not wanting to vote for Trump.

Yes, maybe one more term of Trump is exactly what is needed to put a far-left government in power. One wasn't enough, but two should surely do it, right? What an sensible, logical plan.

barfo
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IMO the hardcore wing of the Bernie movement aren’t really Democrats. I don’t think much of them care if their decision not to vote hurts the Democrats.

Yes, they are a smaller group of voters, but that can mean the difference in key swing States. Don’t hold me to it, but I think Wisconsin, PA and MI had maybe a couple 100k votes margin between them.
 
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Very true. That same argument was made back in 2016 with the hardcore conservatives not wanting to vote for Trump.


IMO the hardcore wing of the Bernie movement aren’t really Democrats. I don’t think much of them care if their decision not to vote hurts the Democrats.

Yes, they are a smaller group of voters, but that can mean the difference in key swing starts. Don’t hold me to it, but I think Wisconsin, PA and MI had maybe a couple 100k votes margin between them.
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They aren't Democrats. The Dems want their votes because Orange Man Bad.
 
magnifier661 said:
Very true. That same argument was made back in 2016 with the hardcore conservatives not wanting to vote for Trump.

IMO the hardcore wing of the Bernie movement aren’t really Democrats. I don’t think much of them care if their decision not to vote hurts the Democrats.
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That does seem to be what they are saying. And that position probably makes sense to them. It's up to everyone whether they want to fight to change the system from the outside, or from within. Neither choice is wrong, but the choice does have consequences.

Yes, they are a smaller group of voters, but that can mean the difference in key swing States. Don’t hold me to it, but I think Wisconsin, PA and MI had maybe a couple 100k votes margin between them.
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True, but I don't see WI, PA, MI as having a lot of die-hard far-left voters per capita.

barfo
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
They aren't Democrats. The Dems want their votes because Orange Man Bad.
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The Dems want their votes because the goal of elections is to get the most votes. The Dems will make some accommodations to try to attract some of them, while trying not to alienate voters who have other viewpoints. It will work for some, but not for all. It's kind of the way politics works.

barfo
 
barfo said:
That does seem to be what they are saying. And that position probably makes sense to them. It's up to everyone whether they want to fight to change the system from the outside, or from within. Neither choice is wrong, but the choice does have consequences.



True, but I don't see WI, PA, MI as having a lot of die-hard far-left voters per capita.

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I guess we will soon find out.
 
barfo said:
The Dems want their votes because the goal of elections is to get the most votes. The Dems will make some accommodations to try to attract some of them, while trying not to alienate voters who have other viewpoints. It will work for some, but not for all. It's kind of the way politics works.

barfo
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Dramamine time!

That crock of shit is exactly what Kyle Kulinski is against.

I don't agree with much of any of Kyle's politics. I do see his point.

Lowering Medicare age by 5 years ain't cutting it with his audience.

I shouldn't have said want their votes. Obviously any party wants all the votes they can get.

The DNC and the media are going to do anything they can to get these votes. Shaming them seems to be the current method. Good luck with that.
 
Revolutionaries are always going to be very tiny minorities (any time that they're more than a very tiny minority, the nation in question is in pretty serious trouble). It doesn't make sense for either mainstream party to choose the path of the revolutionary. In a representative democracy like ours, things never change by revolution (the American Revolution was against a government that was not allowing for representation by the governed). They always change by increments. Sure, that's boring...that's also reality.

That doesn't mean anyone is wrong to espouse massive change now--but they are voluntarily picking a path where their only power is advocacy, not legislative or executive power.

I personally would prefer massive change (of my choosing, of course) now. But I recognize that that isn't possible and I'm fine with voting for incremental candidates that move things in the right (by my estimation) direction. Because moving things in the right direction over time has, in certain ways, fundamentally changed the nation. Just not instantly.
 
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bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Dramamine time!

That crock of shit is exactly what Kyle Kulinski is against.
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So what? Why should either of us care what Kyle thinks?

I don't agree with much of any of Kyle's politics. I do see his point.

Lowering Medicare age by 5 years ain't cutting it with his audience.
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Agreed. But that's the offer. It will appeal to some people, it won't to others. That's ok.

I shouldn't have said want their votes. Obviously any party wants all the votes they can get.

The DNC and the media are going to do anything they can to get these votes.
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No, they aren't. Doing anything they can would mean endorsing Bernie's entire platform and appointing Bernie VP or some major cabinet position.
That isn't going to happen. Because it wouldn't be worth it. No matter how hard you wish for it.

Shaming them seems to be the current method. Good luck with that.
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You seem very concerned with how Bernie supporters are treated, and who they might vote for. Why is that?

barfo
 
I guess people are forgetting Bernie won primaries in multiple states. Granted, they were small, sparsely populated states like California lol. Pretending he was a fringe candidate with a small, unimportant voter base is about as stupid as I would expect democrats to be. Their game plan is shaping up to be worse than 2016 and I honestly didn’t think that was possible. All those disenfranchised Bernie voters are as good as an independent party. Many will not vote for Biden Period.
 
jonnyboy said:
I guess people are forgetting Bernie won primaries in multiple states. Granted, they were small, sparsely populated states like California lol. Pretending he was a fringe candidate with a small, unimportant voter base is about as stupid as I would expect democrats to be. Their game plan is shaping up to be worse than 2016 and I honestly didn’t think that was possible. All those disenfranchised Bernie voters are as good as an independent party. Many will not vote for Biden Period.
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So, if they will not vote for Biden Period, then there is no reason for Democrats to bother about them any further, correct?

Paying attention to them is as futile as trying to get Mags to vote for Biden, have I got that right?

barfo
 
barfo said:
So, if they will not vote for Biden Period, then there is no reason for Democrats to bother about them any further, correct?

Paying attention to them is as futile as trying to get Mags to vote for Biden, have I got that right?

barfo
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Dicking Sanders around in the state primaries pissed a lot of people off. That’s all I’m saying. At this point it may be futile to flip the script and try to kiss up to them. It’s a bad look and doesn’t really fool anyone.
 
jonnyboy said:
Dicking Sanders around in the state primaries pissed a lot of people off. That’s all I’m saying. At this point it may be futile to flip the script and try to kiss up to them. It’s a bad look and doesn’t really fool anyone.
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I don't think Sanders got dicked around, unless you mean that as a synonym for beaten. Thunderdome doesn't end with 2 men leaving.

Obviously neither of us are Sanders voters, so if there is any kissing up/ fooling going on, we probably aren't the best ones to judge the effectiveness of those actions.

barfo
 
barfo said:
So, if they will not vote for Biden Period, then there is no reason for Democrats to bother about them any further, correct?

Paying attention to them is as futile as trying to get Mags to vote for Biden, have I got that right?

barfo
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Yo! Don’t drag me into your flame war! Lol
 
You know, if I was just a little less apathetic than I am at the moment, I'd Photoshop a toilet under Joe in this cover shot:

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e_blazer said:
You know, if I was just a little less apathetic than I am at the moment, I'd Photoshop a toilet under Joe in this cover shot:

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Considering the title, that's a little mean. Funny, though.
 
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