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e_blazer said:
Isn't it about time to change the title to Biden vs. Biden? This thing is pretty much Joe's to lose at this point, and if he does lose, it will likely be because of his continual gaffes.
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Gaffes don't seem to hurt Trump...just saying.
 
e_blazer said:
Isn't it about time to change the title to Biden vs. Biden? This thing is pretty much Joe's to lose at this point, and if he does lose, it will likely be because of his continual gaffes.
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True enough. Socialistically speaking, poor Bernie. Stiffed twice (well, at least this time) by the DNC.
 
ABM said:
Stiffed twice (well, at least this time) by the DNC.
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I liked Sanders more than Biden, but can you explain how Sanders was "stiffed" in these primaries?
 
Minstrel said:
I liked Sanders more than Biden, but can you explain how Sanders was "stiffed" in these primaries?
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OK, well, maybe not the DNC in-and-of-itself, but I think you get the drift.

I agree with some of these sentiments from early March:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...-establishment-bid-turn-back-sanders-n1147416

WASHINGTON — The Democratic empire is quickly aligning its forces to strike back at Bernie Sanders......

....."It reflects the urgency of what we’re going into on Super Tuesday," said Adrienne Elrod, a Democratic strategist who worked on Hillary Clinton's bids for the presidency. "That's a big show of force that the left-of-center wing of the Democratic Party is consolidating around Joe because they understand what’s at stake, they understand the urgency, and they don’t want this to be handed to Bernie Sanders on Super Tuesday.".....

...."The corporate establishment is coming together, the political establishment is coming together, and they will do everything," Sanders told reporters in Salt Lake City on Monday. "They are really getting nervous that working people are standing up."....

........Before Biden's resurgence in South Carolina, party leaders had long worried that fractured support among Biden, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Warren and billionaire Mike Bloomberg would magnify Sanders' edge on Super Tuesday and put him on a path to winning the nomination outright or making a strong case that he should win with a plurality.....

Call it a conspiracy of you'd like, and I very well could be wrong, but I think the Democratic powers-that-be somehow had their thumbs on the scales as it concerned the simultaneous departures of Klobuchar and Buttigieg...and ensuing (and swift) backing of Biden. I all seemed just a little weird to me. Ahh...well.

But the departures of Klobuchar and Buttigieg — even after early voting in many states clearly has banked many votes for the two of them — mean Sanders' chances of emerging Tuesday with an eye-popping delegate count are probably reduced.

To me (and many, many others), the obvious reason is that the DNC doesn't think Bernie, while becoming increasing popular among the ranks, can beat Trump. In 2016...nor in 2020. (Sorry about the Trump reference. I stand corrected.)
 
ABM said:
OK, well, maybe not the DNC in-and-of-itself, but I think you get the drift.

I agree with some of these sentiments from early March:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...-establishment-bid-turn-back-sanders-n1147416

WASHINGTON — The Democratic empire is quickly aligning its forces to strike back at Bernie Sanders......

....."It reflects the urgency of what we’re going into on Super Tuesday," said Adrienne Elrod, a Democratic strategist who worked on Hillary Clinton's bids for the presidency. "That's a big show of force that the left-of-center wing of the Democratic Party is consolidating around Joe because they understand what’s at stake, they understand the urgency, and they don’t want this to be handed to Bernie Sanders on Super Tuesday.".....

...."The corporate establishment is coming together, the political establishment is coming together, and they will do everything," Sanders told reporters in Salt Lake City on Monday. "They are really getting nervous that working people are standing up."....

........Before Biden's resurgence in South Carolina, party leaders had long worried that fractured support among Biden, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Warren and billionaire Mike Bloomberg would magnify Sanders' edge on Super Tuesday and put him on a path to winning the nomination outright or making a strong case that he should win with a plurality.....

Call it a conspiracy of you'd like, and I very well could be wrong, but I think the Democratic powers-that-be somehow had their thumbs on the scales as it concerned the simultaneous departures of Klobuchar and Buttigieg...and ensuing (and swift) backing of Biden. I all seemed just a little weird to me. Ahh...well.

But the departures of Klobuchar and Buttigieg — even after early voting in many states clearly has banked many votes for the two of them — mean Sanders' chances of emerging Tuesday with an eye-popping delegate count are probably reduced.

To me (and many, many others), the obvious reason is that the DNC doesn't think Bernie, while becoming increasing popular among the ranks, can beat Trump. In 2016...nor in 2020. (Sorry about the Trump reference. I stand corrected.)
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I don't think the Democratic party asking Buttigieg/Klobuchar to exit the race constitutes corruption or "stiffing" Sanders. They have a right to ask anyone they want to exit the race for the good of the party. Both the Democrats and Republicans do that pretty much every election cycle (when they don't have an incumbent). I'd view it as "stiffing" Sanders if they changed the rules mid-primary to disadvantage him or if they were discovered to be changing vote totals or something like that.
 
Minstrel said:
I don't think the Democratic party asking Buttigieg/Klobuchar to exit the race constitutes corruption or "stiffing" Sanders. They have a right to ask anyone they want to exit the race for the good of the party. Both the Democrats and Republicans do that pretty much every election cycle (when they don't have an incumbent). I'd view it as "stiffing" Sanders if they changed the rules mid-primary to disadvantage him or if they were discovered to be changing vote totals or something like that.
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You're certainly entitled to that opinion. No problem. One dictionary defines stiffed as "being snubbed", so I'll go with that one.

At any rate, the fix is on. :)
 
A terrible conspiracy by voters to give Biden more votes than Sanders. And sadly more than my preferred candidate as well. Lock them all up!
 
Politics is entirely about coalition-building and persuading people to support you. It's not evidence of a conspiracy when those efforts succeed.

barfo
 
crandc said:
A terrible conspiracy by voters to give Biden more votes than Sanders. And sadly more than my preferred candidate as well. Lock them all up!
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Especially when they all coalesce around him. Oh...I mean other that your gal. Who knows what direction she'll go...if any.
 
barfo said:
Politics is entirely about coalition-building and persuading people to support you. It's not evidence of a conspiracy when those efforts succeed.

barfo
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But if they look hard enough they will find the evidence, right?
 
Hoopguru said:
But if they look hard enough they will find the evidence, right?
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Depends on whether there is any evidence to be found and whether 'they' have the requisite investigative abilities.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Depends on whether there is any evidence to be found and whether 'they' have the requisite investigative abilities.

barfo
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Seems these days they'll find something on anyone they look hard enough. Question is can they indict?
 
ABM said:
True enough. Socialistically speaking, poor Bernie. Stiffed twice (well, at least this time) by the DNC.
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Bernie lost last time and this time because the voters preferred someone else.
 
Lanny said:
Bernie lost last time and this time because the voters preferred someone else.
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Well, at any rate, we'll all be standing by watching that someone else march his way towards Washington....




Oh, and don't think SNL won't be having some fun. Lots and lots of fun...

 
Joe Biden is already a traitor to America as vice president under Obama. They sold America out, same as Trump is doing now.

I find it funny how democrats can spot the swamp in the republican party all day long, and vice versa, yet are totally clueless to their own swamp.
 
Lanny said:
Bernie lost last time and this time because the voters preferred someone else.
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If Bernies Camp would play the The beatles song "Revoluti0n" it may help in what he's selling.
 
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Hoopguru said:
If Bernies Camp would play the The beatles song "Revoluti0n" it may help in what he's selling.
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Your interpretation of the song must be different than mine. I see it as an anti-Bernie anthem.

barfo
 
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