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SharpeScooterShooter said:
I fully believe he was instructed to showcase the vets early in hopes of increasing their value in order to move them.
Is it so hard ti believe that this is actually some ling term thinking going on and they are committed to the youth?
There is an argument to be said about giving Grant his last contract being a bad decision, as he has it lived up to it at all, so maybe they knew moving him would be tough snd they were hoping Grant would come out with a bang so they could move him for a 1st or 2?
With Grants lack of value, I can see taking a shot at that to start the season, knowing we need to move him for the youth, but not willing to give him up for nothing or paired with another asset of ours.

My point is it seems unlikely Billups would have played them over the youth, if he was trying to win. Why? You touched on it already. The youth is already better(including Deni in that).

I think its a management decision. Not a Billups one.
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I think Billups wants to win games. He had zero guarantee to be back next year, so what was his motivation to play the young guys? I think Billups is a poor evaluator of talent
 
Mediocre Man said:
I think Billups wants to win games. He had zero guarantee to be back next year, so what was his motivation to play the young guys? I think Billups is a poor evaluator of talent
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Do you know that

Do you know there hasn't already been a long term plan in place? Play the bets and try to win and if it doesn't work, go with the youth. If we see improvement, we sill extent you.
There are millions and millions of dollars to work out in nba negotiations. i don't think they just make it up as they go. I believe they lay out several long term plans based on contingencies and try to see the horizon as far as possible.
 
blazerkor said:
Just got done watching Chauncey and Joe's exit interview/presser. A lot of typical Joe and Chauncey talk. The most interesting thing was at the end.

Joe said that he, Chauncey and Hankins have to meet with Kolde every goddamn week and that Kolde has constant input and questions about what teams they've talked with or teams that they haven't and why. Joe is being micromanaged by someone who is a glorified fan. Joe had to kiss his ass in that presser talking about all of the experience Kolde has with the team. That means that every fucking thing that is done with this roster has to include Joe kissing Kolde's ass.

Wow! It will be impossible with that level of meddling for us to ever truely evaluate Joe.
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Yep, Once Bert goes, things will improve. And in a way, we are kinda lucky to have what they do have BECAUSE of his dumbass being here thinking he knows wtf he's doing.

There is no way that a big name coach or GM would ever put up with that, so the chances of them coming here are nill.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Do you know that

Do you know there hasn't already been a long term plan in place? Play the bets and try to win and if it doesn't work, go with the youth. If we see improvement, we sill extent you.
There are millions and millions of dollars to work out in nba negotiations. i don't think they just make it up as they go. I believe they lay out several long term plans based on contingencies and try to see the horizon as far as possible.
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I do not know. Was told as much though, and media saying mid season winning saved both Cronin and Billups jobs
 
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julius said:
Yep, Once Bert goes, things will improve. And in a way, we are kinda lucky to have what they do have BECAUSE of his dumbass being here thinking he knows wtf he's doing.

There is no way that a big name coach or GM would ever put up with that, so the chances of them coming here are nill.
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Exactly.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I'm not happy about this. I've been a huge supporter of Scoot's. I don't think this is good for Scoot's development.

Or Sharpe's, for that matter...
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Definitely not for Sharpe's development, if there are players like Grant that Billups has already run into the ground in one of Grant's worst seasons.
 
RR7 said:
Why bother asking for sourcing if, when presented with it by respected nba writers, you still dismiss it? Just jam your fingers in your ears and shake your head instead.
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I asked because I wanted to see the source and what was said. Is that so fucking hard to understand?

and as I said, the idea that Denver had interviewed Chauncey....in the 5 days since Malone was fired....when Billups had 3 games to coach, one of which was a road trip....when Denver didn't have a GM and there was turmoil in the front office....is simply not credible to me. If it is to you, fine
 
wizenheimer said:
I asked because I wanted to see the source and what was said. Is that so fucking hard to understand?

and as I said, the idea that Denver had interviewed Chauncey....in the 5 days since Malone was fired....when Billups had 3 games to coach, one of which was a road trip....when Denver didn't have a GM and there was turmoil in the front office....is simply not credible to me. If it is to you, fine
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The article says would emerge as a candidate. For whatever reason you're stretching that to think they implied that denver actually interviewed him already? Everything's bullshit if you just throw in info you want.
 
RR7 said:
The article says would emerge as a candidate. For whatever reason you're stretching that to think they implied that denver actually interviewed him already? Everything's bullshit if you just throw in info you want.
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I responded to a post that said:

"For all the hate Billups gets, it looks like Denver and Phoenix came knocking"

and a tweet that said he was "eyed" for the job

sure, that's all open to interpretation. And I'm not a subscriber so I can't read what the tweet was based upon. But I can count days and see schedules and read that the Denver GM was essentially given his walking papers at the same time as Malone was fired. So I remain skeptical that any team came knocking or that people in Denver were 'eyeing' Billups any more than they were other potential candidates. They may not even be considering other candidate until they see what Adelman can do
 
Freshtown said:
Billups is a horrible X’s and O’s Coach, extremely uncreative offense.

In the analogy department, this is like if the Lakers extended Darvin Ham instead of hiring JJ redick. We just missed out on finding the next Redick or Mark Daugnault to stay with a guy who’s best quality seems to be connecting with the players and kind of motivating them but not so much in the actual strategic parts of being a coach.
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Hold up….so you ACTUALLY believe that JJ Reddick would have coached this team to MORE wins this season? Please explain.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I do not know. Was told as much though, and media saying mid season winning saved both Cronin and Billups job
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The thing I get hung up on with the rotation/pt is when I think about the fact that both Chauncey and Joe have to be in those meetings with Bert, is Chauncey being micromanaged as well. Could he be told both that they wanted to see wins this season and that he needs to play the vets to keep their trade value up at the same time or even that Bert thought the best way to get those wins was to play the vets? I just don't know how meddlesome Kolde is but that shit Joe was saying sounded like a very hard situation to manage and it's probably that way for Joe, Chauncey and Hankins.

Still kind of shocked that it's weekly with a dude that was basically just Paul Allen's college roommate. SMH.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I do not know. Was told as much though, and media saying mid season winning saved both Cronin and Billups jobs
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by your pizza guy?

In my scenario, winning likely did save their jobs.
If they couldn't get the vets to improve early and couldn't get the young guys to improve after either trading the vets or sitting them, then they weren't getting extended.
just because his job was on the line to win doesn't mean he didn't also have to follow orders.
 
I liked hearing the length of the extension - only two more years. I don't think you want to deal with a coach on a lame duck contract, so it's basically one year more than the minimum needed.

I think Billups has been very good developing our players (#1 most critical attribute for this current Blazers roster).

He also gets players to play very hard when in tough circumstances that could often have motivation issues.

I'm not sure if Billups is a good coach to win playoff series when that time comes - but we're years away from being in that position.

So overall I guess I'm happy with the deal, probably would grade it as a B.
 
wizenheimer said:
I responded to a post that said:

"For all the hate Billups gets, it looks like Denver and Phoenix came knocking"

and a tweet that said he was "eyed" for the job

sure, that's all open to interpretation. And I'm not a subscriber so I can't read what the tweet was based upon. But I can count days and see schedules and read that the Denver GM was essentially given his walking papers at the same time as Malone was fired. So I remain skeptical that any team came knocking or that people in Denver were 'eyeing' Billups any more than they were other potential candidates. They may not even be considering other candidate until they see what Adelman can do
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FYI...



I assume your response to Sean's "FWIW" would be: "Nothing".
 
PtldPlatypus said:
FYI...



I assume your response to Sean's "FWIW" would be: "Nothing".
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I wasn't talking bout the Suns; I was talking about Denver

considering the state of Phoenix's roster, and not controlling any of their draft picks for the next 7 years, I'd imagine they are looking at everybody-->anybody to be the head coach. But it will be a really tough sell, especially if they are seriously shopping Durant and Booker
 
STOMP said:
thats whats been reported. Billups was born in Denver, starred at University of Colorado & played 5 seasons for the Nuggets.

No way in hell? Okay, sure...

STOMP
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There are definitely some on here who don’t realize how popular CB is not only in Denver (where he is royalty), but EVERYWHERE we go in the league. Players, other coaches, GMs, doesn’t matter.
In my opinion, the number one attribute to success in this world a lot of the times is simply having people skills…..and that he has tons. I’m quite sure he was on the Nuggets radar.
 
In case anyone hasn't checked, Billups is presently 94 games under .500 on his coaching career. Like, he would have to average 57 wins per year to get to .500 before his current contract runs out. Anyone see that happening? :lol:
 
PtldPlatypus said:
In case anyone hasn't checked, Billups is presently 94 games under .500 on his coaching career. Like, he would have to average 57 wins per year to get to .500 before his current contract runs out. Anyone see that happening? :lol:
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Erik Spoelstra is considered by most to be the best coach in the game and won 37 games in a glamor market.

I think everybody knows the roster is much more important than a coach - and Billups rosters have sucked ass.
 
THE HCP said:
There are definitely some on here who don’t realize how popular CB is not only in Denver (where he is royalty), but EVERYWHERE we go in the league. Players, other coaches, GMs, doesn’t matter.
In my opinion, the number one attribute to success in this world a lot of the times is simply having people skills…..and that he has tons. I’m quite sure he was on the Nuggets radar.
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Good point.
 
Joe and Chaunc have been learning the Jewish way versus the Greek way. Do and learn versus learn and never do.
 
julius said:
This place is, for the most part, an echo chamber. I think most fans do not think the same way about the team as most of the people here do, good or bad.
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Most fans are objectively morons. Any time I listen to the post game call in show I'm just blown away by how little most people actually know about basketball. But then again, most radio show hosts are also lazy and uneducated about the league. I constantly hear them say shit that's just wrong about the CBA.

I wouldn't call this place an echo chamber. I'd call it a den of NBA sickos who spend way too much time and energy on basketball :lol:
 
Natebishop3 said:
Most fans are objectively morons. Any time I listen to the post game call in show I'm just blown away by how little most people actually know about basketball. But then again, most radio show hosts are also lazy and uneducated about the league. I constantly hear them say shit that's just wrong about the CBA.

I wouldn't call this place an echo chamber. I'd call it a den of NBA sickos who spend way too much time and energy on basketball :lol:
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Maybe a little of both. I do agree with your first sentence. Many fans just repeat what they hear and assume it is right.
Sports and Politics are so similar right now. I find it is best to always play devil's advocate, for everything, because I just don't trust anyone.
 
RR7 said:
Why bother asking for sourcing if, when presented with it by respected nba writers, you still dismiss it? Just jam your fingers in your ears and shake your head instead.
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Haha exactly, dude asked for a source, you gave it to him and it’s legit sources yet he is still rambling on with a big egg on his face.

some posters here it’s not even worth bothering getting into a with their tunnel vision and I am smarter than anyone that disagrees with me mindset.
 
I just dont see putting the greatest player on earth in the hands of a head coach that has never had a winning record. head scratcher for sure, but then again DEN has shown they are brainless.
 
Danny is melting down. He acts like a guy who is inconvenienced to talk about the Blazers.

 
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