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Nikolokolus said:
Wow. Blake is basically a washed up Rex Chapman at this point ... Ok, not exactly, but that's very interesting.
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Yeah. That's what playing out of position will do to you. I know people harp on the idea that Blake is a SG that plays PG because he is small - but that's just wrong. Blake is not a great PG - but he is a much better player as a PG than as a SG.

The Miller acquisition has taken Roy and Blake out of position - and so far, the hoped for improvement in Greg and LMA's offensive games is not there.

This team needs to completely change it's playing style offensively - or re-think the Miller acquisition.
 
Imagine some of the threads that will occur when Blake has a bad game.


Brandon Roy(notes) and LaMarcus Aldridge(notes) each had 20 points and Blake scored 17 for the Blazers, home after a 4-1 road trip. Portland has won eight of 10 to improve to 9-4, its best record after 13 games since opening 11-2 in 1999-2000.
 
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4 Quarter Transcripts (WOW)

This is everything Blake did in the last 4.5 minutes of the game, good or bad.

04:51 Blake Driving Reverse Layup Shot: Missed

04:40 Blake Turnover : Lost Ball (2 TO) Steal:Stuckey (1 ST)

03:58 Blake Foul : Personal (2 PF)

01:07 Blake Turnover : Bad Pass (3 TO) Steal:Summers (1 ST)

00:41.9 Blake 3pt Shot: Missed

00:40.9 Blake Rebound (Off:1 Def:2)

00:25.9 [POR 81-77] Blake 3pt Shot: Made (15 PTS) Assist: Aldridge (2 AST)

00:10.0 [POR 84-81] Blake Free Throw 1 of 2 (16 PTS) 00:10.0 [POR 85-81] Blake Free Throw 2 of 2 (17 PTS)

To say that Blake was the reason we won the game last night is ludicrous. Yes, the three was timely, but for the 2.5 minutes before, he was helping Detroit get back into this game.

Now you can say Blake is a good role player, but look at the transcripts and it looks like he was the Superstar on the team. He, by far, had the most shot attempts and involvement in the game.
 
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This doesn't need it's own thread IMO.
 
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Hey mags, we've got like three other Blake threads. :)
 
Whoops my bad. Still trying to get used to this format guys. Remember I am a O-live veteran. Used to constantly posting new threads.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
You neglected to put FG% as a decimal. Check this one out.
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Fuck me. I knew it was bad. I didn't know it was this bad.

If you widen out the parameters a little bit to allow people who suck slightly less, you get this.

Interesting to see Hinrich on this list.

Funny to see the 2004 version of Derek Anderson on the list--I knew there was somebody Blake has reminded me of this year. If only Blake were as good as Derek Anderson.
 
it's_GO_time said:
Portland has won eight of 10 to improve to 9-4, its best record after 13 games since opening 11-2 in 1999-2000.
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Just 2 games behind that team.. that's pretty good. We didn't lose fourth game until Game 18 that year, so we need to win five more in a row to match that 59-win pace!
And I think it's really possible.
 
mook said:
Fuck me. I knew it was bad. I didn't know it was this bad.

If you widen out the parameters a little bit to allow people who suck slightly less, you get this.

Interesting to see Hinrich on this list.

Funny to see the 2004 version of Derek Anderson on the list--I knew there was somebody Blake has reminded me of this year. If only Blake were as good as Derek Anderson.
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I was just about to say the same damn thing. I knew it was bad, but not that bad. YIKES!
 
it's_GO_time said:
Imagine some of the threads that will occur when Blake has a bad game.


Brandon Roy(notes) and LaMarcus Aldridge(notes) each had 20 points and Blake scored 17 for the Blazers, home after a 4-1 road trip. Portland has won eight of 10 to improve to 9-4, its best record after 13 games since opening 11-2 in 1999-2000.
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He's BEEN having bad games. When was his last GOOD game?
 
mook said:
Fuck me. I knew it was bad. I didn't know it was this bad.

If you widen out the parameters a little bit to allow people who suck slightly less, you get this.

Interesting to see Hinrich on this list.

Funny to see the 2004 version of Derek Anderson on the list--I knew there was somebody Blake has reminded me of this year. If only Blake were as good as Derek Anderson.
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This is a really fun game. Let's take a look at Andre Miller and his NBA comparisons based on FG%, 3 pt%, and A/PG for this season.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...t=mp_per_g&c4comp=gt&c4val=25&order_by=season
 
This is everything Blake did in the last 4.5 minutes of the game, good or bad.

04:51 Blake Driving Reverse Layup Shot: Missed

04:40 Blake Turnover : Lost Ball (2 TO) Steal:Stuckey (1 ST)

03:58 Blake Foul : Personal (2 PF)

01:07 Blake Turnover : Bad Pass (3 TO) Steal:Summers (1 ST)

00:41.9 Blake 3pt Shot: Missed

00:40.9 Blake Rebound (Off:1 Def:2)

00:25.9 [POR 81-77] Blake 3pt Shot: Made (15 PTS) Assist: Aldridge (2 AST)

00:10.0 [POR 84-81] Blake Free Throw 1 of 2 (16 PTS) 00:10.0 [POR 85-81] Blake Free Throw 2 of 2 (17 PTS)

To say that Blake was the reason we won the game last night is ludicrous. Yes, the three was timely, but for the 2.5 minutes before, he was helping Detroit get back into this game.

Now you can say Blake is a good role player, but look at the transcripts and it looks like he was the Superstar on the team. He, by far, had the most shot attempts and involvement in the game.
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Very good post and sums up Blake's night....

Congrats to him, I guess? He made a crucial 3pt shot after a series of idiotic decisions\shots...

Surely POR could do better....having Rudy Fernandez in at the end of the game for starters...well, that is if you are actually going to USE HIM for more than a a guy standing at the 3pt line waiting for a Roy bail out pass....that is pretty much all that Blake is good for out there....

Wow what a stud!
 
PapaG said:
Miller seems to be having a "unique" season as well. :devilwink:

http://www.basketball-reference.com...t=mp_per_g&c4comp=gt&c4val=28&order_by=season
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I got a great idea. Trade Blake and Miller for a damn SF that can give us solid minutes and Move Fernandez at SG. Have Roy play his "Roy Ball" at PG on the offensive end, then use Fernandez to guard the PG. Have Bayless as the back-up guard, Webster to get the towels for the players and be done with it.

Regardless of the "PER" stats, I just don't like the 3 guard line-up anymore. Yes we are winning, but to what cost? Will Roy be able to constantly battle other bigger SFs, only to fizzle in the later part of the season? Give us a SF that deserves to start, move Roy to his natural position and have Fernandez or Bayless be the PG defender and SG on offense.

EDIT: I would like to note that I was once a strong supporter of Roy being a SF. I can admit when I'm wrong.
 
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FialaIsTheMan_7 said:
They need to package those expirings (Blake, Outlaw) with someone another team would want and get a real third scoring option. If KP doesn't do this and just sits on this for another year it will be a joke! What is he gonna do when Claver and the rest of the Euro's are ready? CONSOLIDATE!
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Save Charlotte some money and go after Diaw. We'd get a solid passer/defender/shooter with a very high IQ who can play 3/4 effectively. Leaves us in a hole at PG but Diaw's a good enough distributor I think you could play Roy some at 1 (which he nearly does already), play Bayless some, and he'd work great with Miller.

Not to mention I think Batum would be thrilled.
 
magnifier661 said:
I got a great idea. Trade Blake and Miller for a damn SF that can give us solid minutes and Move Fernandez at SG. Have Roy play his "Roy Ball" at PG on the offensive end, then use Fernandez to guard the PG. Have Bayless as the back-up guard, Webster to get the towels for the players and be done with it.

Regardless of the "PER" stats, I just don't like the 3 guard line-up anymore. Yes we are winning, but to what cost? Will Roy be able to constantly battle other bigger SFs, only to fizzle in the later part of the season? Give us a SF that deserves to start, move Roy to his natural position and have Fernandez or Bayless be the PG defender and SG on offense.

EDIT: I would like to note that I was once a strong supporter of Roy being a SF. I can admit when I'm wrong.
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I thought about that. Trade for Monta and move Roy to point guard so he can dominate the ball to his hearts content.
 
shamelessblazer said:
Save Charlotte some money and go after Diaw. We'd get a solid passer/defender/shooter with a very high IQ who can play 3/4 effectively. Leaves us in a hole at PG but Diaw's a good enough distributor I think you could play Roy some at 1 (which he nearly does already), play Bayless some, and he'd work great with Miller.

Not to mention I think Batum would be thrilled.
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I can't see a team doing two deals in the middle of the season. I think any chance of landing someone in Charlotte got smashed with their deal with Golden State.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I thought about that. Trade for Monta and move Roy to point guard so he can dominate the ball to his hearts content.
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The bottom-line is that both Miller and Blake are playing like a hot mess.

Courtney Lee is Miller's comparison this year. :lol:
 
PapaG said:
The bottom-line is that both Miller and Blake are playing like a hot mess.

Courtney Lee is Miller's comparison this year. :lol:
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Hey in all honesty, I'm not too thrilled with either Miller or Blake. Miller, doesn't seem to flow well with Roy and Blake flows well, but you can't count on every game. It seems Nate just doesn't want any running whatsoever, so who cares about a true PG? Nate will not allow them to run the team anyways.

It's better to grab a solid SF, move Fernandez to SG or PG and move Roy to his natural SG position and control the ball the entire time he's on the floor. We may not like it, but as long as Nate is the coach, this will be the only thing that works.
 
I am not a huge fan of PER, but the fact that Blake is 48th out of 57 point guards is pretty damn glaring.

I mean the difference between a PER of 13 and 15 isn't all that glaring.

A PER of 9 is just fucking pitiful.

Let's put it this way; Kevin Ollie is 47th.

Another half baked stat used to show Blake shouldn't be playing much.

In fairness though, Miller is a blistering 28th out of 57.
 
LittleAlex said:
I am not a huge fan of PER, but the fact that Blake is 48th out of 57 point guards is pretty damn glaring.

I mean the difference between a PER of 13 and 15 isn't all that glaring.

A PER of 9 is just fucking pitiful.

Let's put it this way; Kevin Ollie is 47th.

Another half baked stat used to show Blake shouldn't be playing much.

In fairness though, Miller is a blistering 28th out of 57.
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Blake is playing SG. It won't help his PER ranking, but he is being asked to play even more off of the ball than he did last year, when he was passable with a PER of 14.4.
 
When Blake has a season where he's killing three pointers, he's got an acceptable PER (14-15). When he doesn't, his PER is horrible. And by "killing," I mean he has to be hitting 40-44% of his threes.

Problem is that most three point shooter have down seasons, for whatever reason. Steve Kerr, the most accurate three point shooter in NBA history, had two seasons where he hit them for .313 or worse. In 4 of his 14 seasons he was under 40%.

Blake is shooting right now at .365. That's perfectly acceptable for a lot of guards--in fact it's probably better than the average starting NBA PG. But given how little else he brings to the game, you simply can't afford to continue playing him at that rate.
 
PapaG said:
Blake is playing SG. It won't help his PER ranking, but he is being asked to play even more off of the ball than he did last year, when he was passable with a PER of 14.4.
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He's playing at least half of his time at PG. Miller is only playing 30 minutes a game, so even ASSUMING that Miller is always playing PG when Blake and Miller are on the floor together (which strikes me as incorrect, but I will grant it for the sake of argument) that means there are 18 minutes left for SOMEONE to play PG, and Bayless is playing 4 minutes a game (52 minutes into 13 contests). Even ASSUMING that Bayless is playing all PG (which strikes me as incorrect, but I will grant it for the sake of argument) that means there are 14 minutes of PG left, and Blake is responsible for those.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
He's playing at least half of his time at PG. Miller is only playing 30 minutes a game, so even ASSUMING that Miller is always playing PG when Blake and Miller are on the floor together (which strikes me as incorrect, but I will grant it for the sake of argument) that means there are 18 minutes left for SOMEONE to play PG, and Bayless is playing 4 minutes a game (52 minutes into 13 contests). Even ASSUMING that Bayless is playing all PG (which strikes me as incorrect, but I will grant it for the sake of argument) that means there are 14 minutes of PG left, and Blake is responsible for those.

Ed O.
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Yeah, and I really don't think him playing any minutes out of position has really impacted his PER. As I pointed out, his PER is directly related to his three point shot. If he's making them, it's passable. If he isn't, it isn't.

Whether he launches threes while playing PG or SG isn't the point. The point is his inability to excel at making threes this year.
 
mook said:
Yeah, and I really don't think him playing any minutes out of position has really impacted his PER. As I pointed out, his PER is directly related to his three point shot. If he's making them, it's passable. If he isn't, it isn't.

Whether he launches threes while playing PG or SG isn't the point. The point is his inability to excel at making threes this year.
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So, did either Ed or you check out the Miller comparisions? He's basically playing as bad as Blake, in his own special way.
 
PapaG said:
So, did either Ed or you check out the Miller comparisions? He's basically playing as bad as Blake, in his own special way.
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Miller is playing worse than his career norms, but still about 5 PER above Blake, which is enormous. 5 PER is the difference between an average player (15 PER) and an All-Star-caliber player (20 PER).

In this case, it's the difference between a mediocre bench player (Blake's 9.5 PER or so) and an approximately average starter (Miller's 14.5 PER or so).

Both players are playing worse than I expect them to in the near future, but Miller is still playing much better than Blake.
 
PapaG said:
So, did either Ed or you check out the Miller comparisions? He's basically playing as bad as Blake, in his own special way.
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If the best thing you can say about Blake is that Miller is also shitty then it isn't really high praise.

Both are not getting it done for sure. Point guard remains a big concern for the team as a whole.
 
Minstrel said:
Miller is playing worse than his career norms, but still about 5 PER above Blake, which is enormous. 5 PER is the difference between an average player (15 PER) and an All-Star-caliber player (20 PER).

In this case, it's the difference between a mediocre bench player (Blake's 9.5 PER or so) and an approximately average starter (Miller's 14.5 PER or so).

Both players are playing worse than I expect them to in the near future, but Miller is still playing much better than Blake.
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I'm not talking about PER. I'm talking about the statistical comparisons that lead to comparisons to Courtney Lee. Also, if we want to focus on PER, Miller's PER so far this season is lower than Blake's from last season. The Blazers could have basically had the same production thus far from the PG spot w/out completing wrecking the offense.
 
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