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yuyuza1 said:
Done deal. I hate that contract, but that is unbelievable value and a risk we should take given the cost. Who posted this?
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I knew you would do that since you hate Collins, ha ha.

It was from the most respected poster on a Detroit Forum I frequent.
 
hoopsjock said:
I knew you would do that since you hate Collins, ha ha.

It was from the most respected poster on a Detroit Forum I frequent.
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I don't hate him. I just don't think he's gonna be much more than a rotational player.

What forum? Link it! I wanna see what they're saying
 
yuyuza1 said:
I don't hate him. I just don't think he's gonna be much more than a rotational player.

What forum? Link it! I wanna see what they're saying
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It's from Detroit Bad Boys. No one is discussing it, he just mentioned it in the comments of a fanpost.
 
Ignoring the contract and injuries, Blake Griffin would be perfect. I really like Collins, but I’d probably do it anyway. Rather give them McCollum though.
 
hoopsjock said:
Agreed, that is why I was trying to pawn him off on some other team. I think strictly from a PR point of view that isn't too bad of value for Anthony Davis.
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He makes sense for a young team like Brooklyn that has a lot of creators and needs a stretch-4 and lob target to make it work.
 
hoopsjock said:
This recent bad play by the Pistons has them completely souring on Griffin (even though he's not the problem).

One Pistons suggestion was Turner, Leonard, and Collins for Blake (and another small asset).

As much as I like Collins still, this trade would be huge for us even with Blake's injury history and horrible contract.
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If that's all itd take, I do it in a heartbeat. Qe'd have assets left over for an Otto Porter Jr. trade.

If healthy, how good is a Lillard/McCollum/Porter/Griffin/Nurkic lineup?
 
BonesJones said:
If that's all itd take, I do it in a heartbeat. Qe'd have assets left over for an Otto Porter Jr. trade.

If healthy, how good is a Lillard/McCollum/Porter/Griffin/Nurkic lineup?
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The issue is if healthy. Blake has only averaged 44 games a season over the last 5 years. So there is no way to count on him. What do you do the other half of the season when he is taking up a third of your salary cap.
 
twobullz said:
The issue is if healthy. Blake has only averaged 44 games a season over the last 5 years. So there is no way to count on him. What do you do the other half of the season when he is taking up a third of your salary cap.
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Gotta take a risk at some point. His injury history would likely be the reason we'd be able to get a guy averaging 25/8/5 with 36% 3pt shooting and good ball handling and solid defense at PF.
 
BonesJones said:
Gotta take a risk at some point. His injury history would likely be the reason we'd be able to get a guy averaging 25/8/5 with 36% 3pt shooting and good ball handling and solid defense at PF.
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Well his injury history, his contract, and his personality. Not saying I wouldn't take the risk though. But I would make sure he has matured at least a little.
 
Blake Griffin is overpaid, injury prone, and doesn't play Defense.

No. Thanks.
 
In front of GOD and everybody, I'd punch this muthafucka 50x in his balls of he tried this shit on me:

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dviss1 said:
Blake Griffin is overpaid, injury prone, and doesn't play Defense.

No. Thanks.
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Hes an average defender. The dudes also averaging 25/8/5 with a 59TS%, so I don't know how you can say he's overpaid. Maybe because he's injury prone but if he's healthy for a full season, he's definitely not overpaid. His health is why he'd come cheaper too, and we need to take a risk at some point and at least he wouldnt leave and would be a part of a 4-year window.
 
Griffins contract is 100m over the next three years. 34.5m next year, 36.9 the year after that and 38.9 the year after that. To take on that kind of money for an aging star, who Injury prone is a nice way to put it, that relies on athleticism that is disappearing and can't shoot nor is any good on D. You would have to give me assets to take on that contract not have us give them up.
 
BonesJones said:
Hes an average defender. The dudes also averaging 25/8/5 with a 59TS%, so I don't know how you can say he's overpaid. Maybe because he's injury prone but if he's healthy for a full season, he's definitely not overpaid. His health is why he'd come cheaper too, and we need to take a risk at some point and at least he wouldnt leave and would be a part of a 4-year window.
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Once in 10 years has he been able to play an entire season. So the odds of him being healthy for a full season are about 10 percent. 30+ million a year for someone who plays only on average a half a season a year is crazy.
 
BonesJones said:
Hes an average defender. The dudes also averaging 25/8/5 with a 59TS%, so I don't know how you can say he's overpaid. Maybe because he's injury prone but if he's healthy for a full season, he's definitely not overpaid. His health is why he'd come cheaper too, and we need to take a risk at some point and at least he wouldnt leave and would be a part of a 4-year window.
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He's overpaid because he misses near 30 games a season.

He's had 3 seasons where he played 80+ games.

No other season has he played in more than 67 games.

I'm good.
 
dviss1 said:
He's overpaid because he misses near 30 games a season.

He's had 3 seasons where he played 80+ games.

No other season has he played in more than 67 games.

I'm good.
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Which is why we could add someone putting up 25/8/5 with over 36% 3pt shooting at the 4 spot.

We need to take a risk with legitimate high end upside that could turn us into contenders. The risk is Griffin's health, but if healthy, we'd be legitimate contenders. Butler, Kawhi, Davis... They all would be likely to leave (Butler had character concerns as well). At least with Griffin you know you have a legitimate window. He's also changed his game and takes less hits and jumps to his full extent a lot less. I think it'll lead to him being more healthy as he ages.

Who else do you think we should take a chance on to become contenders? Kevin Love? He's a worse player, with a worse contract, who's just as injury prone. Other than that, what other all-star might be available at the deadline?
 
twobullz said:
Once in 10 years has he been able to play an entire season. So the odds of him being healthy for a full season are about 10 percent. 30+ million a year for someone who plays only on average a half a season a year is crazy.
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Don't be silly. He plays nothing like how he did at the start of career so using his injuries then to try to predict his health in the future isn't really viable. He's slowed down, jumps to his full extent less, and bangs inside a lot less.

The high-end upside is definitely worth it.
 
Rhal said:
Griffins contract is 100m over the next three years. 34.5m next year, 36.9 the year after that and 38.9 the year after that. To take on that kind of money for an aging star, who Injury prone is a nice way to put it, that relies on athleticism that is disappearing and can't shoot nor is any good on D. You would have to give me assets to take on that contract not have us give them up.
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It's like you guys haven't watched him at all lately, with comments like "he relies on athleticism"... He has adapted his game well, and doesn't rely on athleticism any more than your average player now. His game will age much better than if he played like he used to, and should help him stay healthier in the present... But people think that he still relies on athleticism because they haven't watched him in a couple years.

Aging? He's 29 right now. He'll be 32 for most of his final season, and given the way he's adapted, I don't expect much fall off from who he is now.

You take the chance that he stays healthy in order to land a guy that could make the team contenders. We have to take a chance at some point to become contenders, and this is a situation where the pros outweigh the cons. The opportunity cost for this deal would be favorable.
 
BonesJones said:
It's like you guys haven't watched him at all lately, with comments like "he relies on athleticism"... He has adapted his game well, and doesn't rely on athleticism any more than your average player now. His game will age much better than if he played like he used to, and should help him stay healthier in the present... But people think that he still relies on athleticism because they haven't watched him in a couple years.

Aging? He's 29 right now. He'll be 32 for most of his final season, and given the way he's adapted, I don't expect much fall off from who he is now.

You take the chance that he stays healthy in order to land a guy that could make the team contenders. We have to take a chance at some point to become contenders, and this is a situation where the pros outweigh the cons. The opportunity cost for this deal would be favorable.
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Im actually impressed that Griffen has been able to grow his game as much as he has in between all the injuries. He’s a much more well rounded player now than even a couple years ago in my opinion.
 
BonesJones said:
It's like you guys haven't watched him at all lately, with comments like "he relies on athleticism"... He has adapted his game well, and doesn't rely on athleticism any more than your average player now. His game will age much better than if he played like he used to, and should help him stay healthier in the present... But people think that he still relies on athleticism because they haven't watched him in a couple years.

Aging? He's 29 right now. He'll be 32 for most of his final season, and given the way he's adapted, I don't expect much fall off from who he is now.

You take the chance that he stays healthy in order to land a guy that could make the team contenders. We have to take a chance at some point to become contenders, and this is a situation where the pros outweigh the cons. The opportunity cost for this deal would be favorable.
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Agreed 100%

Blake would take this team to the next level.
Watch highlights of Blake from tonight’s game. Great playmaking.

Also making 2.3 3’s per game this year...if that doesn’t say he’s evolving as a player I don’t know what does
 
blazedanugz said:
Agreed 100%

Blake would take this team to the next level.
Watch highlights of Blake from tonight’s game. Great playmaking.

Also making 2.3 3’s per game this year...if that doesn’t say he’s evolving as a player I don’t know what does
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Exactly. He could easily play the "Draymond Green playmaker role" for us, and I would even go as far to stagger him to play him with bench unit in Evan Turner's "primary facilitator" role. With Meyers, Layman, and Curry, that would be a great, cohesive fit off the ball that Griffin could facilitate for.

Not to mention he could actually score the ball!
 
One super underrated thing about trading for Griffin (or any really bad contract) is that it does open up multiple roster spots. We've needed a good consolidation trade for 3 years now. Doing a 3 or 4 for 1 type of trade can have a big impact down the road because it opens up the possibility of making a lopsided trade the other way where we trade one player for several smaller ones or can become players on the buyout market. Who we add to fill those spots to me has to be included as part of the trade when you look back on it.

Keep in mind we also have the Vonleh Trade Exception so we could trade for someone without having to cut someone too.
 
This isn't from another forum but Zach Lowe had 11 trades for Ben Simmons today. One of them was CJ, Collins, and a 1st round pick. I'm not a fan of Simmons but you absolutely make that trade without hesitation if you're Portland. Worst case scenario it doesn't work and you trade Simmons this summer.
 
hoopsjock said:
This isn't from another forum but Zach Lowe had 11 trades for Ben Simmons today. One of them was CJ, Collins, and a 1st round pick. I'm not a fan of Simmons but you absolutely make that trade without hesitation if you're Portland. Worst case scenario it doesn't work and you trade Simmons this summer.
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That is an unbelievable deal for a guy I consider to be a future transcendental talent. Hell, I'd reluctantly put Dame on the table for Simmons.

Philly is being stupid. They're ready to break up a Simmons-Embiid core for the next ten years to placate Jimmy Butler? Or maybe it's because they can't manage two young talents? They can't be that dumb, can they? They should invest in a better culture or veteran leadership that will help those two cope. It's the modern day Shaq-Penny.
 
yuyuza1 said:
That is an unbelievable deal for a guy I consider to be a future transcendental talent. Hell, I'd reluctantly put Dame on the table for Simmons.

Philly is being stupid. They're ready to break up a Simmons-Embiid core for the next ten years to placate Jimmy Butler? Or maybe it's because they can't manage two young talents? They can't be that dumb, can they? They should invest in a better culture or veteran leadership that will help those two cope. It's the modern day Shaq-Penny.
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To be fair, it's not coming from Philly. This is the equivalent of Lowe doing an article on Dame trades.
 
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