Blazers Offer Roy Hibbert Max Contract (1 Viewer)

[PapaG]

I'm not. But if we somehow actually end up with Hibbert, I think we'll be a much better team.

Me too. A much better team, IMO. My reply was more so to point out that even though Hibbert would be getting the basic rookie RFA offer, that he would not be expected to "lead" the team, as a Shaq or a Dwight Howard have done.

 

[PapaG]

No, but if you pay a guy a max contract, you should expect more than a role player

Is rebounding, blocking shots, and playing defense a "role" player, though? Sounds more like a core player, IMO. The only way to get Hibbert is to overpay for him, and he's an All-Star center who was 25 last season.

 

[Draco]

What was the last PG to lead a team to a title?

Most overrated position in sports.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Is rebounding, blocking shots, and playing defense a "role" player, though? Sounds more like a core player, IMO. The only way to get Hibbert is to overpay for him, and he's an All-Star center who was 25 last season.

I am pro Hibbert, just playing devil's advocate

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Is rebounding, blocking shots, and playing defense a "role" player, though? Sounds more like a core player, IMO. The only way to get Hibbert is to overpay for him, and he's an All-Star center who was 25 last season.

And not to mention.... another big on the block that can rebound, play D, score around the bucket.....

Makes LA better because you have to play him honest. And he's also not the one counted on to rebound (which is not his strong suit anyway). And on D.... having two bigs that can play D and alter shots helps to keep teams from driving through the lane, which happened a lot this year.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I am pro Hibbert, just playing devil.

FTFY.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

What was the last PG to lead a team to a title?

Most overrated position in sports.

Today, perhaps. Was Rondo on the championship Celts team? You definitely have Magic and Isaiah Thomas, though. Russell Westbrook has co-lead the Thunder to the finals, but no title yet.

 

[PapaG]

I am pro Hibbert, just playing devil's advocate

I understand the argument, but the reality is if Portland (or any other team other than Indy) offered Hibbert his true market value, Indy would match it, no problem. The only way to really get a solid RFA is to try and price the original team out of matching the contract. I like that Olshey went right up to the ceiling, and KP/Walsh are probably freaking out a bit right now wondering what they should do.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

What was the last PG to lead a team to a title?

Most overrated position in sports.

Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I understand the argument, but the reality is if Portland (or any other team other than Indy) offered Hibbert his true market value, Indy would match it, no problem. The only way to really get a solid RFA is to try and price the original team out of matching the contract. I like that Olshey went right up to the ceiling, and KP/Walsh are probably freaking out a bit right now wondering what they should do.

Again, agree 100%

 

[RR7]

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Pacers beat writer @MikeWellsNBA just told me on the radio that he thinks that @Hoya2aPacer will be wearing a Blazers uni next season. Wow.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

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Pacers beat writer @MikeWellsNBA just told me on the radio that he thinks that @Hoya2aPacer will be wearing a Blazers uni next season. Wow.

Yeah, they just talked to Mike Wells on 750am. They're talking more about it now (without Wells).

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Hibbert likes himself some Voodoo Donuts.

 

[PapaG]

Yeah, they just talked to Mike Wells on 750am. They're talking more about it now (without Wells).

But what if Batum signs his offer sheet a millisecond before Hibs? :MARIS61:

 

[Mediocre Man]

But what if Batum signs his offer sheet a millisecond before Hibs? :MARIS61:

No way it works this way. I remember the Jazz having all day to match Wes

 

[DaLincolnJones]

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Pacers beat writer @MikeWellsNBA just told me on the radio that he thinks that @Hoya2aPacer will be wearing a Blazers uni next season. Wow.

I hope so, its hard to not get all geeked up over this. I dont want to start believing it will happen just to have them match.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I hope so, its hard to not get all geeked up over this. I dont want to start believing it will happen just to have them match.

Fuck, same here. Spent my days leading up to the draft all over this board and the various NBA sites looking for updates.

The next 12 days are going to be way worse.

IF we get Hibbert..... Olshey was legit when he said we're going to re-tool. Color me surprised.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'll repeat what I posted in the other thread (about Batum).

When they calculate the Blazers' cap space for FA period, they use Batum's QO amount, period. If Minny offers Batum $12M, then he's a $12M cap hold for Minny (QO for Blazers) for the 3 day period.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'll repeat what I posted in the other thread (about Batum).

When they calculate the Blazers' cap space for FA period, they use Batum's QO amount, period. If Minny offers Batum $12M, then he's a $12M cap hold for Minny (QO for Blazers) for the 3 day period.

My question is "when is the 3 days up?"

 

[RR7]

I'll repeat what I posted in the other thread (about Batum).

When they calculate the Blazers' cap space for FA period, they use Batum's QO amount, period. If Minny offers Batum $12M, then he's a $12M cap hold for Minny (QO for Blazers) for the 3 day period.

yes, we all know that. But if we match, then the 12 million is on our cap. If we had to match before hibbert's 3 days were up, we would not have space for him

 

[DaLincolnJones]

My question is "when is the 3 days up?"

on the third day....j/k

 

[Mediocre Man]

on the third day....j/k

 

[tlongII]

I hope so, its hard to not get all geeked up over this. I dont want to start believing it will happen just to have them match.

I'm already geeked up. If we get Hibbert we will have a significant advantage in the frontcourt against just about anybody. If Lillard turns out to be legit we could be pretty good.

 

[PapaG]

Well, in the old CBA, it was 11:59pm EDT on the 7th day. Unless there is some new "seconds matter" provision to the CBA, I assume it's still 11:59pm, but on the 3rd day.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Well, in the old CBA, it was 11:59pm EDT on the 7th day. Unless there is some new "seconds matter" provision to the CBA, I assume it's still 11:59pm, but on the 3rd day.

So then Indiana could fuck with us and wait until the last minute, possibly making us miss out on Batum?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

So then Indiana could fuck with us and wait until the last minute, possibly making us miss out on Batum?

Yes . . . and I wouldn't expect any favors from Indy. (especially when Blazers add conditions that make it a tough contract to swallow).

It is Batum that I expect to will give the Blazers a break and not sign an offer right away

 

[PapaG]

So then Indiana could fuck with us and wait until the last minute, possibly making us miss out on Batum?

That could happen, but I imagine I'd rather have the risk instead of the odd "he signed one second before your guy!" argument I'm seeing made.

 

[PapaG]

Yes . . . and I wouldn't expect any favors from Indy. (especially when Blazers add conditions that make it a tough contract to swallow).

It is Batum that I expect to will give the Blazers a break and not sign an offer right away

Except the Indy's cap space will be tied up on Hibbert so long as they don't match, and they lose that space if they do match.

3 days is a long time to tie up money in what looks like it will be a crazy FA period.

 

[Masbee]

So then Indiana could fuck with us and wait until the last minute, possibly making us miss out on Batum?

That is insane, and I can't imagine the CBA having it work that way.

Unless the CBA EXPLICITLY says that is how it is done, I am sure the league office will allow a team like the Blazers to hear the decision of Indiana and then immediately afterwards choose to retain Batum - assuming that Hibbert signs with the Blazers and Batum signs with another team on the same day (presumably July 11).

Or, maybe the league office, with team's in the situation of the Blazers, would allow the Blazers to submit a conditional acceptance of Batum's offer. "Dear Mr. Stern: the moment after you receive a decision from Indiana regarding our contract with Roy Hibbert, you may process our decision to Match Nik Batum's contract offer from Minnesota." Or whatever.

Come on people. Stop obsessing over this.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Except the Indy's cap space will be tied up on Hibbert so long as they don't match, and they lose that space if they do match.

3 days is a long time to tie up money in what looks like it will be a crazy FA period.

True . . . but this could get personal between PA and KP. KP has good people skills and may convince FA to wait a couple days for an offer.

But one would think business before personal payback and you bring up a good point that if they know they aren't going to match they may make decision early to get someone else.

Didn't Utah wait till last day/hour when it came to Milsap. And with Matthews, there was word Jazz wouldn't match but not official until Jazz didn't match in 72 hours?