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2 cuts are needed. Who will not be on the opening day roster (assuming Omari Johnson will be cut.)?

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BrianFromWA said:
(Note: I miss storyteller's salaries. SpoTrac, Hoopshype, BasketballInsiders and ESPN all have different salaries posted for many of the players)

For consistency, I'm keeping Kaman and Crabbe and Frazier as "under contract" (Which they are, until they're cut). Partially because the league will do this as well, and it takes place of cap holds.

Combined salaries right now are $26,698,912 for the 9 under contract (Henderson, Kaman, Lillard, Leonard, McCollum, Vonleh, Plumlee, Crabbe, Frazier)

Now the cap holds. Most of your numbers look right, but there are a couple of clarifications and questions:
1) Does RoLo's salary increase b/c of his trade bonus increase his free agent number, or is it based only on "base salary"? Normally not a huge deal, but in this case it takes him from below-league-average salary to above, and drops his free agent amount from 190% to 150%. In the former, his hold is 150% of $6,142,000 ($9.2M) to $10.1M (190% of 5.34M). I can't find it spelled out in Coon's FAQ, but I'm still looking.
2) I think that even though Gee's cap hit last year was only about 913k, you still have to use his whole salary (vet min of 1,063,384 for 5 years of service). Since he's a non-Bird FA, 120% of that would be $1,276,061.
3) As stated above, Crabbe has a non-guaranteed contract. Which means he's under contract until released, and it's not a "free agent amount", but a salary hold. Same number, though.

If you wanted to "max out space", and renounce all of your FA's, add another $1,575,279 for the 3 roster spot holds of 525,093 each. Then add three more if you release Kaman and Crabbe and Frazier, remembering that Kaman's $1M stays on the books no matter what. $24,041,125 is the lowest they could go right now. With 67.1M projected cap, that's $43.1M in space (or $24.7M plus LMA's hold, if you prefer)
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So wouldn't keeping Kaman, if the option to land Hibbert would only take his $5 mil salary and 10 mil space save us $1M if we just let him go?
 
If I understand what you're saying, that's exactly right. Cutting Kaman in the next 36 hours gives Portland $4M more cap space than they would have going into FA. But they could spend it on anyone. Trading Kaman for Hibbert in FA allows us to "keep" an extra $1M in space, but IND has to want to get Kaman back and they can't release him for the savings (since it's after June 30). We can't trade Hibbert for Kaman right now (which would be best) because they can't pull together enough salary to use an exception before June 30. Releasing Kaman in the next 36 hours is probably the best way to go.
 
BrianFromWA said:
If I understand what you're saying, that's exactly right. Cutting Kaman in the next 36 hours gives Portland $4M more cap space than they would have going into FA. But they could spend it on anyone. Trading Kaman for Hibbert in FA allows us to "keep" an extra $1M in space, but IND has to want to get Kaman back and they can't release him for the savings (since it's after June 30). We can't trade Hibbert for Kaman right now (which would be best) because they can't pull together enough salary to use an exception before June 30. Releasing Kaman in the next 36 hours is probably the best way to go.
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I think that would depend on what Indiana is looking to do. I was also wondering if they could use Pat Connaughton to sweeten the deal? Can that pick be traded with another player July 9th? The Hibbert Trade can happen before the Free agents become available because we would immediately get our cap space after renouncing whatever players necessary.
 
42N8Bounce said:
With all of the free agent and trades happening, I thought it would be good to have a thread to keep track of the Blazers Salary CAP info.

With the recent trade of Blake and RHJ to Brooklyn for Mason Plumlee and Pat Connaughton, here's an updated look at the Blazers CAP situation -

Signed:
Gerald Henderson, $6,000,000 (Yes, he is now the Blazers top paid player!)
Chris Kaman, $5,016,000 (Team Option, $1M Guaranteed)
Damian Lillard, $4,236,287
Meyers Leonard, $3,075,880
Noah Vonleh, $2,637,720
CJ McCollum, $2,525,160
Mason Plumlee, $1,415,520

The Blazers have $20,890,567 in committed salary. Adding in the minimum 12-man roster CAP holds ($525,093 each), puts the total at $24,041,125.

Assuming the CAP is at $67.1M, that gives the Blazers $43,058,875 of CAP space.

To get that cap space, they would have to renounce the rights to:
LaMarcus Aldridge, $18,942,177 (CAP Hold)
Aaron Afflalo, $11,625,000 (CAP Hold)
Wesley Matthews, $10,868,460 (CAP Hold)
Robin Lopez, $9,187,092 (CAP Hold)
Mid Level Exception CAP Hold, $5,464,000
Dorell Wright $4,075,500 (CAP Hold)
Joel Freeland, $3,766,890 (Qualifying Offer - due June 30th)
Allen Crabbe $947,276 (CAP Hold. Team Option - before August 1)
Alonzo Gee, $947,276 (CAP Hold)
Tim Frazier, $845,069 (CAP Hold. Team Option)
Chris Kaman, $5,016,000 (Team Option, $1M Guaranteed - before July 1)
Player Trade Exception ($3.3M as a result of Batum trade)

If the Blazers drop far enough below the cap (by renouncing players listed above) and use cap space to sign free agents, they would lose their MLE ($5,464,000), but gain the Room MLE ($2,814,000).

The Max contracts are:
0-6 yr NBA vet, 25% of CAP, $15,785,15 (Like Greg Monroe, or DeMarre Carroll)
7-9 yr NBA vet, 30% of CAP, $18,942,177 (Like DeAndre Jordan, Kevin Love, or Paul Millsap)
10+ yr NBA vet, 35% of CAP, $22,099,207 (Like Tim Duncan, Tyson Chandler or David West)

I'm not a CAP Guru, so if you see any information that looks inaccurate, let me know.

Most of my information came from Basketballinsiders.com and CBAFaq.com.
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no, we can't do anything until the moratorium is lifted, which is July 9. No trades, no FA (official) signings. Actually, that's not true....we can sign minimum-salary players for 1- or 2-year contracts (not sure why we would, but we could). We don't get "cap space" until after the audit which ends July 8, when the salary cap number comes out and we're allowed to renounce, release, sign, etc.

As far as Pat is concerned, yes, his rights can be added to any trade up until he signs a contract, then he can't be traded for 30 days.
 
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My only concern is if the salary cap is so sacred and we are trying to stay below it how come 19 of the 30 teams exceed the cap. Some by as much as 20M. Do the bird rights have an affect here?
 
BrianFromWA said:
no, we can't do anything until the moratorium is lifted, which is July 9. No trades, no FA (official) signings. Actually, that's not true....we can sign minimum-salary players for 1- or 2-year contracts (not sure why we would, but we could). We don't get "cap space" until after the audit which ends July 8, when the salary cap number comes out and we're allowed to renounce, release, sign, etc.

As far as Pat is concerned, yes, his rights can be added to any trade up until he signs a contract, then he can't be traded for 3 months.
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So basically, July 8th you can do the Kaman, Pat and cap for Hibbert before Free Agents can sign right?
 
No. Nothing involving trades can happen until July 9, when everything can happen.
 
Ricky said:
My only concern is if the salary cap is so sacred and we are trying to stay below it how come 19 of the 30 teams exceed the cap. Some by as much as 20M. Do the bird rights have an affect here?
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You go over the cap by signing your own players to bigger contracts and you can trade $1 worth of salary out for every $1.25 of salary in.
 
Ricky said:
My only concern is if the salary cap is so sacred and we are trying to stay below it how come 19 of the 30 teams exceed the cap. Some by as much as 20M. Do the bird rights have an affect here?
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It's not sacred, but it gives you a lot of flexibility. Let's say you want to trade for Gerald Henderson, but you're over the cap. You need an exception to be able to trade for him. One of those exceptions is something that allows you to send a player of roughly the same salary as Henderson (numbers vary, but it's not important here). But maybe I don't WANT one of your players back, or maybe you don't want to send the amount of player salary it would take to bring Henderson to you.

If you had cap space, you could trade things like future draft picks, rights to foreigners, whatever and the other team would not have to take back salary (which many don't like). And that's just in a trade scenario. You can also sign free agents without having to do sign-and-trades. Last year when POR would have given Greg Monroe a max contract they didn't have cap space, so they had to try to get DET to sign and trade him to us. DET politely declined. This year we (can) have cap space, so we don't need DET's permission for anything. SAS probably needs our help to sign LMA, but the L*kers have cap space so they don't need our permission or help. They can just offer contracts that use their cap space.
 
Denny Crane said:
You go over the cap by signing your own players to bigger contracts and you can trade $1 worth of salary out for every $1.25 of salary in.
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Let me see if I understand this correctly, if we signed LMA to a 20M per year (increase of 5M per year) and we signed Mathews to a 10M per year (increase of 3M per year) then we could go over the CAP by 8M and we would still have the CAP to sign other players while going over the CAP by 8M. Second question would be do we have to pay a luxury tax for the amount we are over the CAP?
 
apparently roy hibbert has a 2.3$million trade kicker. would the acquiring team have to apply this to their capspace?
 
Ricky said:
Let me see if I understand this correctly, if we signed LMA to a 20M per year (increase of 5M per year) and we signed Mathews to a 10M per year (increase of 3M per year) then we could go over the CAP by 8M and we would still have the CAP to sign other players while going over the CAP by 8M. Second question would be do we have to pay a luxury tax for the amount we are over the CAP?
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You can only go over the cap to sign your own players. The exceptions to the rule are "exceptions" of which the biggest one is the $5.5M MLE. There is also an exception you can use every other year. You cannot combine exceptions to sign a player.
 
I've updated the main post to include the Blazers picking up Kaman's option.
 
Sounds like cap will be closer to $69 million.

 
So with Aminu agreeing to terms we should have potentially $35 million in room
 
magnifier661 said:
So how would that get us Monroe and Aldridge?
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I estimate we are extremely dang close to make those salaries barely fit. Maybe the cap ultimately goes up enough we just barely have enough room. Or we have to cut Frazier. Or cut Frazier and Crabbe. Or cut with the stretch provision or trade away Hendo or Kaman. Or Detroit agrees to sign and trade Monroe with one of Wes, Afflalo, Rolo. It could for sure be done one way or another.
 
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With Davis signing for 3/20M, and Aminu at 4/30, (and Kaman not being waived), I have us at about 40.2M for 11 players under contract. If LMA comes back we have roughly 8M in space. If not, 27M.
 
It sounds as though we likely end up with more cap space than we need this offseason. We might want to structure the contracts so they have the most money in year 1 and decline each season. Saves us salary cap room in future seasons. I think the maximum declines are the same as raises at 4.5%. So Aminu deal could start at $8.0 and end at $7.0 and Davis at $7.0 ending at $6.5

Its not a huge change; just a small detail that potentially saves us $1.5 million in space a couple seasons from now while also increasing the players trade value a tiny bit.

But if we sign another player and do the same it could be more significant.
 
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Joe Johnson has a $24M expiring contract.

Played 35 MPG. His 14.1 PER is low by his standards, but his USG% was the lowest it's been since 2002-03. Still put up 14/5/4 and is regarded as a good defender.

He's 6'7" 240 lbs. Seems like he might be a pretty good guy to start at SF for a year. Recoup the cap space next summer.
 
My current estimates:

Aminu 7,030,000
Davis 6,380,000
Henderson 6,000,000
Kaman 5,016,000
Lillard 4,236,287
Leonard 3,075,880
Vonleh 2,637,720
McCollum 2,525,160
Plumlee 1,415,520
Crabbe 947,276
Frazier 845,069

Total Committed 40,108,911
Estimated Cap 69,000,000
Estimated Cap room 28,891,089
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Current depth chart
Plumlee/ Davis/ Kaman
Leonard/ Vonleh
Aminu / Crabbe
Henderson/ CJ/ Pat
Lillard/ Frazier

3 roster spots available although Frazier/Crabbe/Pat can be cut if superior value is available.
 
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Draco said:
My current estimates:


3 roster spots available although Frazier/Crabbe/Pat can be cut if superior value is available.
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Sorry, having a memory failure here. Who is Pat?

barfo
 
barfo said:
Sorry, having a memory failure here. Who is Pat?

barfo
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Yeah its easy to forget.. He's not part of the cap because we can wait and sign him if we go over. With the youth movement and possible hole we have at the wing; I could see a 4 year player such as him carving out a role next year.
 
has anyone seen info yet on the structures of Aminu and Davis' contracts?
 
BrianFromWA said:
has anyone seen info yet on the structures of Aminu and Davis' contracts?
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I believe there are no player or team options. I think Blazers will wait until July 9th to decide on yearly amounts.
 
Denny Crane said:
Joe Johnson has a $24M expiring contract.

Played 35 MPG. His 14.1 PER is low by his standards, but his USG% was the lowest it's been since 2002-03. Still put up 14/5/4 and is regarded as a good defender.

He's 6'7" 240 lbs. Seems like he might be a pretty good guy to start at SF for a year. Recoup the cap space next summer.
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This is one of the worst things we could do with our space in my opinion. I would rather sign three Ed Davis/Aminu types over a one year rental that will resent being here and would bolt after a year.
 
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