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The Blazers have 6 days to come to terms with the Lakers on a sign and trade; that would allow them to sign another player with the full MLE.
 
Draco said:
The Blazers have 6 days to come to terms with the Lakers on a sign and trade; that would allow them to sign another player with the full MLE.
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That's a good idea. Not sure if LA would want to help us out though. Do they really want any of our scrubs?
 
Who was the last Laker to become a Blazer?


I can't thing of any unless I go all the way back to Leroy Ellis.
 
I would have preferred Hawes for 4yr/23M. Hope we did not sign Kaman because he required fewer years.
 
MAS RipCity said:
Hawes might get 8, he won't get over 10 and if we don't have the cap space, work out a sign and trade.
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He got even less than what I thought he'd get. This makes the Kaman signing that much worse. Four years is nothing for a 26 year-old, who will be just entering his prime at the tail end of his contract.
 
MAS RipCity said:
He got even less than what I thought he'd get. This makes the Kaman signing that much worse. Four years is nothing for a 26 year-old, who will be just entering his prime at the tail end of his contract.
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Hawes got incentives in a major market I'm thinking. They offered something Portland couldn't match. I have no doubt the Blazers knew this before offering a deal to Kaman
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
I would have preferred Hawes for 4yr/23M. Hope we did not sign Kaman because he required fewer years.
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Agreed. We keep our 2015 flexibility with the Kaman signing but nothing is promised tomorrow. Everyone out West is getting better and we're kind of standing pat. Also, next year's FA crop just isn't that strong.
 
riverman said:
Hawes got incentives in a major market I'm thinking. They offered something Portland couldn't match. I have no doubt the Blazers knew this before offering a deal to Kaman
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I don't buy that. He's a Seattle guy, even said he'd love to play in Portland because it's in the NW. He wanted the security of a four-year deal and we probably didn't want to offer that long of a deal? Either way, the Clippers just got a whole lot better.
 
MAS RipCity said:
He got even less than what I thought he'd get. This makes the Kaman signing that much worse. Four years is nothing for a 26 year-old, who will be just entering his prime at the tail end of his contract.
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that seems to me like a very cheap/reasonable contract for the Clips getting Hawes, especially given what we have seen this FA so far, I would much rather have Hawes on this deal then Kaman by a fukkin mile
 
riverman said:
You'll probably understand if we go after Marc Gasol next summer.
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sorry, but that's crap from Blazer mgmt if that was the reason, Hawes at less that 6 mil per is a great and very attractive/tradeable contract if they really wanted Gasol or whoever nest yr, it's about gathering assets at hawes at 4 yrs/23 mil is a very nice asset
 
MAS RipCity said:
Agreed. We keep our 2015 flexibility with the Kaman signing but nothing is promised tomorrow. Everyone out West is getting better and we're kind of standing pat. Also, next year's FA crop just isn't that strong.
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Who out west has gotten stronger, outside of draft picks?

Minnesota? not really.
OKC? They lost a guy.
Lakers? Nope.
Warriors? Livingston isn't a difference maker really.
Dallas? not sure they got better.
Spurs? already better.
Rockets? traded Asik, probably won't get Anthony.
Kings? Meh.
Grizzlies? Nothing much.
New Orleans?
Denver? Eh..

How did "everyone out west" get better?
 
Sinobas said:
That's a good idea. Not sure if LA would want to help us out though. Do they really want any of our scrubs?
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I would think Freeland and Wright have at least neutral value if we sent over a pick or something. Either one would get us up to the amount needed to take back Kaman.
 
So how many post dissing other posters for not being realistic about not liking the Kaman signing because that is all the Blazers could afford. People on this board act they know so much and judge others based on what they think are facts. We are all just trying to figure this shit out, but just because some don't like the Kaman signing doesn't mean they don't see reality. Bad signings happen all the time with every organization.

the Kaman signing very well may be a bad signing or I could be flat out wrong, but I and others can analyze a Blazer move and "see reality" just as much as the homers who justify each and every move by the Blazers
 
Yay! Unrealisitic bitching because Hawes went somewhere else.

Wake me when they realize that they would have done this if Hawes signed for 5/50 anyway. Just wanting another reason to bitch.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
So how many post dissing other posters for not being realistic about not liking the Kaman signing because that is all the Blazers could afford. People on this board act they know so much and judge others based on what they think are facts. We are all just trying to figure this shit out, but just because some don't like the Kaman signing doesn't mean they don't see reality. Bad signings happen all the time with every organization.

the Kaman signing very well may be a bad signing or I could be flat out wrong, but I and others can analyze a Blazer move and "see reality" just as much as the homers who justify each and every move by the Blazers
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I like you treaty, but no. :)
 
julius said:
Who out west has gotten stronger, outside of draft picks?

Minnesota? not really.
OKC? They lost a guy.
Lakers? Nope.
Warriors? Livingston isn't a difference maker really.
Dallas? not sure they got better.
Spurs? already better.
Rockets? traded Asik, probably won't get Anthony.
Kings? Meh.
Grizzlies? Nothing much.
New Orleans?
Denver? Eh..

How did "everyone out west" get better?
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Pelicans added Asik, could easily be players for a playoff berth
Clippers for one got better today
Rockets could land Melo/Bosh which would make them better
Livingston is just what the Warriors needed, they struggled mightily without a true backup for Curry once Jack left in 2013
Memphis won't be that injury prone this season as they were in 2014
Both OKC and SA haven't used their MLE yet and they were each considerably better than us last year

Point being: The West is fucking loaded and if you're not adding assets some other team will pass you by.
 
Strenuus said:
I like you treaty, but no. :)
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Well I appreciate your contribution on this board, but you can not be any more insulting telling people who don't like the Kaman trade they don't see reality.

So many times I want to tell homers to stop being homers and buying into every move the Blazers make, but I stop because I really don't know for sure what is a good move.

Fact you think you know it all is really a joke and shows an immaturity to
Your thought process.
 
MAS RipCity said:
Pelicans added Asik, could easily be players for a playoff berth
Clippers for one got better today
Rockets could land Melo/Bosh which would make them better
Livingston is just what the Warriors needed, they struggled mightily without a true backup for Curry once Jack left in 2013
Memphis won't be that injury prone this season as they were in 2014
Both OKC and SA haven't used their MLE yet and they were each considerably better than us last year

Point being: The West is fucking loaded and if you're not adding assets some other team will pass you by.
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The Pelicans could easily not make the playoffs.
The Rockets could easily NOT land Melo/Bosh (? no one has mentioned him going there) and losing Asik makes them worse.
Livingston isn't what the Warriors need. He helps, but so did Mo Williams help Portland. he wasn't what they needed.
Memphis no being injury prone isn't a team that "is getting better" via off season trades of signings.
OKC lost a starter and has a horrible center in Perkins and an overrated guy in Gomez Adams.

I think people are overstating how good Spencer is.

Stats vs Kaman (not that I'm a huge fan of Dober)

PPG 13.5 (in 30 minutes) vs 10.5 (in 19 minutes).

RPG 7.7 vs 6

Blocks: 1 vs 1

PER was a wash too.

Sure, Spencer is a better 3 point threat, but that's not what the team should get. They need someone who is actually in the paint once in a while.

Also, if you go per 36's, Kaman is 20-11 whereas the grass is greener, er I mean, Spencer, he was 16 and 9. But hey, Spencer was the Harrison "Fucking" Barnes of this off season.
 
I for one was okay with the Kaman signing because I felt Hawes would go for more than the MLE. I now feel I am wrong. If Olshey passed on Hawes because he demanded 4 yrs, and Olshey wanted to keep CAP flexibility next year, then I think that is the wrong course of action. Hawes is in the prime of his career. LAC got a solid player for a very reasonable contract. We lost out on that one.
 
riverman said:
Hawes got incentives in a major market I'm thinking. They offered something Portland couldn't match. I have no doubt the Blazers knew this before offering a deal to Kaman
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Portland is not a FA hot spot, eh? Bummer.
 
julius said:
I think people are overstating how good Spencer is.

Stats vs Kaman (not that I'm a huge fan of Dober)

PPG 13.5 (in 30 minutes) vs 10.5 (in 19 minutes).

RPG 7.7 vs 6

Blocks: 1 vs 1

PER was a wash too.

Sure, Spencer is a better 3 point threat, but that's not what the team should get. They need someone who is actually in the paint once in a while.

Also, if you go per 36's, Kaman is 20-11 whereas the grass is greener, er I mean, Spencer, he was 16 and 9. But hey, Spencer was the Harrison "Fucking" Barnes of this off season.
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I agree. For next year, stats may show that these two are about a wash. Kaman may have the slight advantage if he stays healthy. Kaman may also be a better fit since he plays more of an inside game. However, Hawes is only 26 and Kaman is 32. I'm disappointed that we couldn't have invested in the future and had Hawes locked up for 4 years. Kaman is essentially just a stop gap for next year. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But when you have an opportunity to find a young talent for the same price, I think we should have pounced on it.
 
Let's just say the market doesn't seem to be as inflated as folks were projecting.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
I would have preferred Hawes for 4yr/23M. Hope we did not sign Kaman because he required fewer years.
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@WojYahooNBA: Hawes passed on Blazers MLE offer Thursday, sources say. Chose between Clippers MLE and Suns space. Blazers moved on, signing Chris Kaman.
 
Rhal said:
@WojYahooNBA: Hawes passed on Blazers MLE offer Thursday, sources say. Chose between Clippers MLE and Suns space. Blazers moved on, signing Chris Kaman.
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Still incomplete info since technically Kaman's deal is also an MLE.

I still like signing Kaman. Just would have preferred Hawes even with more years.
 
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