Blazers sign Chris Kaman

[The_Lillard_King]

Damn that Olshey for passing on Hawes!!1!

Wait...what?

Hawes passed on the Blazers?

Damn that Hawes! Doesn't he know Portland is in the Northwest!!1!

We coulda been a contenduh!!

Posters keeping linking the Hawes situation to Kaman situation. I see them as mutually exclusive. Is there even one poster who has blamed the Blazers for not getting Hawes. One?

Meanwhile some (very few it appears) don't like the Kaman signing.

 

[Rhal]

OK as I try to accept Kaman (a guy the last small market team he played for sent home because of his attitude) maybe the logic goes like this:

Blazers need a backup center because Leonard not ready and Freeland is limited. Not getting Hawes. Kaman available and worth about 3 million or so a yr. Can wait to see if he accepts BAE but might get signed by another team for more. If you offer 3.5 for 2 yrs that would be very competitive but leaves less than 2 on the MLE and about the same as the BAE. Blazers only have two spots open so if you are going to burn the MLE, why not give him the entire thing in exchange for a buyout of 1 million. Kaman gets his 6 million, which I can't imagine he would get more from any other team (or they wouldn't have agreed to this) and Blazers get their flexibility . . . . . .so they can dump him after a yr when they find out he is an unmotivated and lazy center (sorry couldn't resist typing the last part )

But maybe that's the logic behind throwing this guy 5.8 million???

I think a big part of throwing the MLE at him was to get him to take the 1m guaranteed for next year. Contracts like that are very attractive for teams especially in a player who is not completely washed up so he could be a very nice trade chip at the deadline or even after the season.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Posters keeping linking the Hawes situation to Kaman situation. I see them as mutually exclusive. Is there even one poster who has blamed the Blazers for not getting Hawes. One?

Meanwhile some (very few it appears) don't like the Kaman signing.

Instead of sending Olshey to meet with Hawes, Paul Allen should have sent Bush and Cheney. It's those little personal touches that shows a player how much we want them.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Also I think someone needs to point out that HCP is currently on vacation in LA. We all know that HCP has secretly been a Laker fan for years. Maybe he's now a Clipper fan and told Hawes not to sign with the Blazers.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Instead of sending Olshey to meet with Hawes, Paul Allen should have sent Bush and Cheney. It's those little personal touches that shows a player how much we want them.

And there is your one.

 

[MarAzul]

Kermit Washington

Well not exactly. His last team was San Diego and Boston before that since the LAL. I can't think of anyone we got directly from LAL since the first year.
We got Leroy Ellis and Pat Riley. Riley never did show up.

 

[PDXFonz]

OK as I try to accept Kaman (a guy the last small market team he played for sent home because of his attitude) maybe the logic goes like this:

Blazers need a backup center because Leonard not ready and Freeland is limited. Not getting Hawes. Kaman available and worth about 3 million or so a yr. Can wait to see if he accepts BAE but might get signed by another team for more. If you offer 3.5 for 2 yrs that would be very competitive but leaves less than 2 on the MLE and about the same as the BAE. Blazers only have two spots open so if you are going to burn the MLE, why not give him the entire thing in exchange for a buyout of 1 million. Kaman gets his 6 million, which I can't imagine he would get more from any other team (or they wouldn't have agreed to this) and Blazers get their flexibility . . . . . .so they can dump him after a yr when they find out he is an unmotivated and lazy center (sorry couldn't resist typing the last part )

But maybe that's the logic behind throwing this guy 5.8 million???



tl/dr: if going to burn MLE, why not give it all to him in exchange for flexibility . . .

Dude if you are coached by a guy who's scheme allows you to develop into an allstar. Then you get thrown around to teams who don't have any idea what use they have for you, and you can only expect for that person to be pissed. Judging kaman off of his last 4 years is ridiculous, especially judging last season. He's got good years left, just gotta trust.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Dude if you are coached by a guy who's scheme allows you to develop into an allstar. Then you get thrown around to teams who don't have any idea what use they have for you, and you can only expect for that person to be pissed. Judging kaman off of his last 4 years is ridiculous, especially judging last season. He's got good years left, just gotta trust.

Really . . . you think judging him from 2010 is better? I'm sure a lot of FA would want this analysis, and if you are going to judge Kaman that way, then yes Kaman is a steal.

I don't want to start dogging on Kaman because I've done it enough and he is a Blazer now. But to compare him to the Rolo acquisition from last summer is not a good comparison, IMO. Rolo was a legit starting center who was available because NO wanted to get Evans and Blazers has cap space. Kaman is a FA who didn't have a lot of interest and basically accepted a two yr contract with the second year being almost like a team option. We got Kamen for less than what Rolo is paid for 1 yr. You can't expect as much from Kaman as you could from Lopez.

But hey, Lopez surprised for the positive, T-Rob and Mo were what was expected and Wright disappointed . . . so you never know how Kaman will end up on expectations. But if you are expecting Kaman from 2010 and throwing out his last 4 yrs, I don't think it is me who is being ridiculous.

 

[MarAzul]

Dude if you are coached by a guy who's scheme allows you to develop into an allstar. Then you get thrown around to teams who don't have any idea what use they have for you, and you can only expect for that person to be pissed. Judging kaman off of his last 4 years is ridiculous, especially judging last season. He's got good years left, just gotta trust.

We shall see. Probably will work out better than Hawes would be my guess.

 

[PDXFonz]

Really . . . you think judging him from 2010 is better? I'm sure a lot of FA would want this analysis, and if you are going to judge Kaman that way, then yes Kaman is a steal.

I don't want to start dogging on Kaman because I've done it enough and he is a Blazer now. But to compare him to the Rolo acquisition from last summer is not a good comparison, IMO. Rolo was a legit starting center who was available because NO wanted to get Evans and Blazers has cap space. Kaman is a FA who didn't have a lot of interest and basically accepted a two yr contract with the second year being almost like a team option. We got Kamen for less than what Rolo is paid for 1 yr. You can't expect as much from Kaman as you could from Lopez.

But hey, Lopez surprised for the positive, T-Rob and Mo were what was expected and Wright disappointed . . . so you never know how Kaman will end up on expectations. But if you are expecting Kaman from 2010 and throwing out his last 4 yrs, I don't think it is me who is being ridiculous.

We don't know how much interest kaman had. He came to portland because of Olshey and Hughes, i don't think he was going to give anywhere else a shot, he wanted what was comfortable. Kaman fell through the cracks caused by Spencer Hawes, there really aren't much better shooting true centers in the NBA right now.

We all should be talking about how lucky we are to be the suitor kaman wanted to play for.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

We don't know how much interest kaman had. He came to portland because of Olshey and Hughes, i don't think he was going to give anywhere else a shot, he wanted what was comfortable. Kaman fell through the cracks caused by Spencer Hawes, there really aren't much better shooting true centers in the NBA right now.

We all should be talking about how lucky we are to be the suitor kaman wanted to play for.

Well if we don't know how much interest Kaman had (my guess is very little given his contract) then we also don't know why he came to Ptd (you are merely guessing).

I feel pretty confident Kaman would have gone to the team that offers his the most money because that is what most players do. But again I'm just guessing like you.

Did you read any rumors about teams interested in Kaman. If Blazers are so lucky to have him why would he agree to a buy out for 1 million dollars. Why has he bounced around for the last 4 yrs without a team locking him up. How was the playing for the Mavs a bad situation for him, most players love playing fro Cuban.

I may be way underestimating Kaman's ability (it's really his personality I don't like), but not sure where you are coming from that he will be as good as Lopez and only wanted to play for the Blazers.

 

[PDXFonz]

Well if we don't know how much interest Kaman had (my guess is very little given his contract) then we also don't know why he came to Ptd (you are merely guessing).

I feel pretty confident Kaman would have gone to the team that offers his the most money because that is what most players do. But again I'm just guessing like you.

Did you read any rumors about teams interested in Kaman. If Blazers are so lucky to have him why would he agree to a buy out for 1 million dollars. Why has he bounced around for the last 4 yrs without a team locking him up. How was the playing for the Mavs a bad situation for him, most players love playing fro Cuban.

I may be way underestimating Kaman's ability (it's really his personality I don't like), but not sure where you are coming from that he will be as good as Lopez and only wanted to play for the Blazers.

Kamans name didn't come up because like I said the teams looking for a stretch big were all over hawes. You would be hearing kamans name today if he hadn't agreed to a deal who portland.

I probably should have linked this a while ago, I thought it already would have been.

● An array of reasons led Kaman's to choose the Blazers, including his close relationship with general manager Neil Olshey and assistant coach Kim Hughes. Kaman played for the Los Angeles Clippers for eight seasons and both men were instrumental in his development when they were involved in the organization. After enduring what he described as a "rough couple of years" with the Dallas Mavericks and Los Angeles Lakers over the last two seasons, he wanted to be around people he trusted.

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...n_on_trail_blazers_i_want_to_help_the_te.html

Edit: and I believe he bounced around because teams weren't using him right. Olshey and Hughes know exactly how to get the most out of kaman, something the lakers and mavs weren't able to come close to.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Kamans name didn't come up because like I said the teams looking for a stretch big were all over hawes. You would be hearing kamans name today if he hadn't agreed to a deal who portland.

I probably should have linked this a while ago, I thought it already would have been.



http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...n_on_trail_blazers_i_want_to_help_the_te.html

OK . . . I'm a huge Blazer fan and want to see Kaman do well (and not get pissy) so i'm not going continue along with this. Fair to say 5.8 million is one of the "arrays of reasons" he choose the Blazers? But if you think Kaman was going to be a highly sought after FA center and would only consider signing with the Blazers . . . god bless you.

 

[riverman]

We wanted bench scoring and Kaman gives you that at a bargain price on basically a one year deal with and option. The guy put up 31/17/6 against the Suns last year after not playing much..I'll take that anyday. D'Antoni made Gasol look washed up last year, Kaman was baffled at the Lakers scheme, so was the league. I'm optimistic. Highly sought after centers don't get 1 year deals for 5 mil. I'll say it again, trust Olshey!

 

[Mediocre Man]

We wanted bench scoring and Kaman gives you that at a bargain price on basically a one year deal with and option. The guy put up 31/17/6 against the Suns last year after not playing much..I'll take that anyday. D'Antoni made Gasol look washed up last year, Kaman was baffled at the Lakers scheme, so was the league. I'm optimistic. Highly sought after centers don't get 1 year deals for 5 mil. I'll say it again, trust Olshey!

So are we just finding highest scoring games by players now?

 

[Strenuus]

So are we just finding highest scoring games by players now?

Nitpicking is fun! You should know (from your posts... annnd I skirted the law) *runs*

 

[1eyejack]

Something else to consider is who we could potentially match up with next year in playoffs. Memphis, SA, and Houston all have good bigs. Nice having a guy who has experience playing against them. Now we either sign Mo or get another guard who can give Lillard some rest and we should be better than last year. Not necessarily better record but come playoff time we should be a harder out for the top teams in the west.

I'm a Barton fan love how hard the kid plays and the energy he brings. Hes not always the smartest player but at least he plays 110% all the time. Hopefully he or CJ improve and they give us some more bench scoring.

 

[riverman]

So are we just finding highest scoring games by players now?

what part of 17 rebounds and 6 assists plus an allstar past did you choose to ignore?

 

[e_blazer]

Something else to consider is who we could potentially match up with next year in playoffs. Memphis, SA, and Houston all have good bigs. Nice having a guy who has experience playing against them. Now we either sign Mo or get another guard who can give Lillard some rest and we should be better than last year. Not necessarily better record but come playoff time we should be a harder out for the top teams in the west.

I'm a Barton fan love how hard the kid plays and the energy he brings. Hes not always the smartest player but at least he plays 110% all the time. Hopefully he or CJ improve and they give us some more bench scoring.

I'll say it again, please post more often. Get Tappatalk for your phone. You can squeeze in a post in no time.

 

[Mediocre Man]

It was one fucking game, and it was 28 pts. The very next game he had 12/6 in 29 minutes and shot 35% from the floor.


Kaman is adequate back up and all, but posting single game stats as an argument is silly IMO

 

[Strenuus]

It was one fucking game, and it was 28 pts. The very next game he had 12/6 in 29 minutes and shot 35% from the floor.


Kaman is adequate back up and all, but posting single game stats as an argument is silly IMO

My fave still is the Meyers Leonard game against Golden State. Still gives me a good chuckle when people try to pass that off as some recurring theme we should expect from him.

 

[riverman]

It was one fucking game, and it was 28 pts. The very next game he had 12/6 in 29 minutes and shot 35% from the floor.


Kaman is adequate back up and all, but posting single game stats as an argument is silly IMO

Suns were a very good defensive team. I seem to remember no player on the Blazers put up those numbers against them last year. Maybe you want to find misery in the upcoming season but finding reasons to cheer for this team are where I hang my hat. Constantly bitching about the Blazers is silly in my opinion. Maybe that's what floats your boat and if it gives you joy, good, but I'm a glass half full kind of fan MM. Kaman makes us better next season in my view but feel free to bash away at the guy.By the way, way to pick a bad stat to showcase his ability, that also was one fucking game

 

[riverman]

My fave still is the Meyers Leonard game against Golden State. Still gives me a good chuckle when people try to pass that off as some recurring theme we should expect from him.

What's wrong with expecting success and seeing potential? When did that become a character flaw? I don't recall any fan on the boards passing that off as a recurring theme but the opposite has definitely been beaten like a dead horse in a ghost town. Praise for Meyers only comes from his teammates, the coaching staff and very, very few fans.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Suns were a very good defensive team. I seem to remember no player on the Blazers put up those numbers against them last year. Maybe you want to find misery in the upcoming season but finding reasons to cheer for this team are where I hang my hat. Constantly bitching about the Blazers is silly in my opinion. Maybe that's what floats your boat and if it gives you joy, good, but I'm a glass half full kind of fan MM. Kaman makes us better next season in my view but feel free to bash away at the guy.By the way, way to pick a bad stat to showcase his ability, that also was one fucking game

He could make us better. He also could only play in 39 games due to injury as well.


That was my point. Singling out 1 game and saying anything about a team or player because of it is dumb. Charlotte killed Portland by 40 last year. Did that tell you anything?

 

[Mediocre Man]

What's wrong with expecting success and seeing potential? When did that become a character flaw?

I agree. I show up every Sunday at church just "knowing" I'll see Charlie Sheen sitting in the front row.

 

[magnifier661]

He could make us better. He also could only play in 39 games due to injury as well.


That was my point. Singling out 1 game and saying anything about a team or player because of it is dumb. Charlotte killed Portland by 40 last year. Did that tell you anything?

That was your argument on why you thought the Blazers would miss the playoffs. Fortunately your caution on Lopez didn't come to fruit. Hopefully that same wrong guess will be the case next season too.

 

[riverman]

He could make us better. He also could only play in 39 games due to injury as well.


That was my point. Singling out 1 game and saying anything about a team or player because of it is dumb. Charlotte killed Portland by 40 last year. Did that tell you anything?

Projecting 39 games due to injury? Is there really any point to that? Going into a new season even mentioning injury is dumb. Singling out a blowout loss with LA injured is...well you fill in the blank. Enjoy being a Blazer fan? I do!

 

[The_Lillard_King]

What's wrong with expecting success and seeing potential? When did that become a character flaw? I don't recall any fan on the boards passing that off as a recurring theme but the opposite has definitely been beaten like a dead horse in a ghost town. Praise for Meyers only comes from his teammates, the coaching staff and very, very few fans.

Edit: Insensitive post and completely unfair to riverman. He didn't deserve that.

 

[Hobbesarable]

While I appreciate your attitude as a fan, sometimes I want to come on here and get some real analysis. To always say every move is a good move is not really analysis. We know the Blazers can make some bad moves and some bad draft picks. If I want to hear just the positives, I can always tune in to Mike and Mike who will explain why Babbit is going to break out each season and how much Nolan Smith has developed over the summer.

I do enjoy your positive posts and nothing wrong with that. But also what is wrong with coming on this board and disagreeing with some moves the Blazers do. They don't always get it right, and with the basketball knowledge on this board, I like to also hear someone say what they really think.

I think it is a good mix on this board. Kaman being a perfect example . . . a good blend of posters who really like the move, some who say meh and a few who don't like it. It gives me a better idea and analysis of the move, as oppose to waiting to hear why Mike and Mike think it's a great move.

Again having a few resident positive posters who will support every move is needed, but there is a benefit to hearing MM's take as well.

It would be better if the exchange didn't become a polarizing conversation.

 

[Mediocre Man]

While I appreciate your attitude as a fan, sometimes I want to come on here and get some real analysis. To always say every move is a good move is not really analysis. We know the Blazers can make some bad moves and some bad draft picks. If I want to hear just the positives, I can always tune in to Mike and Mike who will explain why Babbit is going to break out each season and how much Nolan Smith has developed over the summer.

I do enjoy your positive posts and nothing wrong with that. But also what is wrong with coming on this board and disagreeing with some moves the Blazers do. They don't always get it right, and with the basketball knowledge on this board, I like to also hear someone say what they really think.

I think it is a good mix on this board. Kaman being a perfect example . . . a good blend of posters who really like the move, some who say meh and a few who don't like it. It gives me a better idea and analysis of the move, as oppose to waiting to hear why Mike and Mike think it's a great move.

Again having a few resident positive posters who will support every move is needed, but there is a benefit to hearing MM's take as well.

Some would say moreso.......well I would anyway