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Treaty_of_Batum said:
While I appreciate your attitude as a fan, sometimes I want to come on here and get some real analysis. To always say every move is a good move is not really analysis. We know the Blazers can make some bad moves and some bad draft picks. If I want to hear just the positives, I can always tune in to Mike and Mike who will explain why Babbit is going to break out each season and how much Nolan Smith has developed over the summer.

I do enjoy your positive posts and nothing wrong with that. But also what is wrong with coming on this board and disagreeing with some moves the Blazers do. They don't always get it right, and with the basketball knowledge on this board, I like to also hear someone say what they really think.

I think it is a good mix on this board. Kaman being a perfect example . . . a good blend of posters who really like the move, some who say meh and a few who don't like it. It gives me a better idea and analysis of the move, as oppose to waiting to hear why Mike and Mike think it's a great move.

Again having a few resident positive posters who will support every move is needed, but there is a benefit to hearing MM's take as well.
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It's also why I come here, I happen to like the moves and front office changes but if anyone needs a more critical view of the current team, I promise you, my views are not in the majority here. I respond to opinions just like everyone. I disliked Nolan Smith, Raymond Felton, Luke Babbit, Hasheem Thabeet, JR Rider, Patterson, it's a long list. If my opinions aren't "real" analysis, please put me on ignore. It's that simple
 
magnifier661 said:
That was your argument on why you thought the Blazers would miss the playoffs. Fortunately your caution on Lopez didn't come to fruit. Hopefully that same wrong guess will be the case next season too.
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Big time. I was so pleasantly surprised Lopez played every game. HUGE for us.
 
riverman said:
It's also why I come here, I happen to like the moves and front office changes but if anyone needs a more critical view of the current team, I promise you, my views are not in the majority here. I respond to opinions just like everyone. I disliked Nolan Smith, Raymond Felton, Luke Babbit, Hasheem Thabeet, JR Rider, Patterson, it's a long list. If my opinions aren't "real" analysis, please put me on ignore. It's that simple
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How could you dislike Nolan Smith and JR Rider in the same sentence? Nolan is the nicest guy in the world, and Rider was uber talented
 
Mediocre Man said:
Big time. I was so pleasantly surprised Lopez played every game. HUGE for us.
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Don't get me wrong. Could you imagine if Lopez went down for even 10 games? Things would be bad!

This is why is like getting Kaman. I think Lopez's super increase in production as a direct result with playing along side Aldridge. I'm hoping, even praying, that that same effect trickles down to Kaman as well.
 
riverman said:
It's also why I come here, I happen to like the moves and front office changes but if anyone needs a more critical view of the current team, I promise you, my views are not in the majority here. I respond to opinions just like everyone. I disliked Nolan Smith, Raymond Felton, Luke Babbit, Hasheem Thabeet, JR Rider, Patterson, it's a long list. If my opinions aren't "real" analysis, please put me on ignore. It's that simple
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That's really not what I was saying, so sorry it came across like that. You see the positives in moves and intelligent people are making these moves so there must be reasons. You are good at seeing those reasons.
 
Mediocre Man said:
How could you dislike Nolan Smith and JR Rider in the same sentence? Nolan is the nicest guy in the world, and Rider was uber talented
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Kobe and Kevin Love are uber talented but I don't like them either, personal preference
 
Mediocre Man said:
Something I know I need to work on for sure. I used to be slightly more tolerant, but not so much any more.
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I have a much better appreciation of what you go through with me being in the minority opinion about Kaman. I feel like I'm getting attacked at all sides as people question my intelligence and imply I have no common sense. It makes me want to bite back and I think I have become polarizing lately.

I swear if I don't like the next move the Blazers do i am keeping quite . . . or maybe even like it no matter what.

I so much more enjoy posting when we are all piling on you. :)
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
I have a much better appreciation of what you go through with me being in the minority opinion about Kaman. I feel like I'm getting attacked at all sides as people question my intelligence and imply I have no common sense. It makes me want to bite back and I think I have become polarizing lately.

I swear if I don't like the next move the Blazers do i am keeping quite . . . or maybe even like it no matter what.

I so much more enjoy posting when we are all piling on you. :)
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Not everyone is going to agree and that's cool.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
I have a much better appreciation of what you go through with me being in the minority opinion about Kaman. I feel like I'm getting attacked at all sides as people question my intelligence and imply I have no common sense. It makes me want to bite back and I think I have become polarizing lately.

I swear if I don't like the next move the Blazers do i am keeping quite . . . or maybe even like it no matter what.

I so much more enjoy posting when we are all piling on you. :)
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Let it roll off your shoulder. You'll get back in their graces. Just keep posting. When Keeping quiet your only conditioning a behavior. That something is ok when maybe it's not. When maybe it should be voiced and made known. I didn't like his draft in year one, two or three. I didn't like his free agent period in years 1, 2 and I certainly didn't like his Kaman signing or what's going on right now. I didn't like the way stood pat at the trade deadline in the last two years. When I don't like something. I'm going to expose it for what I think it is....When the man does something good. I will also touch on it and have. But it doesn't hurt for him to be questioned and challenged.
 
I'm not to worried about overpaying for Kaman, and I think we did overpay for him, because everyone knows how we shuddered when Rolo had to come out of the game and this gives us a legit big off the bench who can bang with just about every big in the WCF. He is also a good rebounder and can score better then any of our young guns on the bench. He also doesn't make us change our game plan to much if he has to start in place of an injured Rolo/LMA

This isn't a home run signing though because there are legit questions about his health and his ability to adapt to new teams. If he stays healthy for 60+ games and learns stotts system quickly then this is a great signing but those are big IFs. If Kaman was healthy and had shown an ability to flourish in different systems then we wouldn't have gotten him for 5m he would have priced himself out of our reach, as it is the Blazers are overpaying him taking a gamble which has a nice chance to pay off but isn't by any means a guarantee.

A lot of people wanted the MLE to be used on a backup PG but I don't see a big difference in what the PG's we would get for the MLE would put up # wise compared to Mo last year. The only real opportunity we could miss there is Isiah Thomas, but there isn't any real evidence that we could get him for the MLE yet, only rumors coming out for Sacramento's camp. Watching games last year yes the offense could, and would, become stagnant with Mo running the point when LMA/Damien/Nico were off the floor but what I also watched were teams that just feasted when Lopez came out of the game and then a complete inability for our backup bigs to score in the paint.

When I look at the PG's we could have a shot at with the BAE if Mo leaves its: Greivis Vasquez,Kirk Hinrich, DJ Augustin, Steve Blake, Luke Ridnour, Beno Udrih. There are a few that I wouldn't throw up in my mouth if we had them as the backup PG. Especially when Compared to the backup bigs who we have a shot at with the BAE:Andray Blatche,Kris Humphries, Jordan Hill, Jason Smith, Jermaine O'Neal, Cole Aldrich. Of those I listed only one of them JO would I want on my team and I wouldn't' want him to get over 10m a game. I look at the PG's who could be gotten with the BAE a lot more enticing then what the bigs you can get with the BAE.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
I have a much better appreciation of what you go through with me being in the minority opinion about Kaman. I feel like I'm getting attacked at all sides as people question my intelligence and imply I have no common sense. It makes me want to bite back and I think I have become polarizing lately.

I swear if I don't like the next move the Blazers do i am keeping quite . . . or maybe even like it no matter what.

I so much more enjoy posting when we are all piling on you. :)
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Im here for you
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
I have a much better appreciation of what you go through with me being in the minority opinion about Kaman. I feel like I'm getting attacked at all sides as people question my intelligence and imply I have no common sense. It makes me want to bite back and I think I have become polarizing lately.

I swear if I don't like the next move the Blazers do i am keeping quite . . . or maybe even like it no matter what.

I so much more enjoy posting when we are all piling on you. :)
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Its a weird thing to be sure. It's like its some peoples child or something.
 
Mediocre Man said:
You seem too serious abiut this to joke with. You have to laugh, life is unpredictable.
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nah MM, you misread me. I laugh all the time. I just don't use emoticons to express it. Which post were you joking in? I may have missed it but that's just because I've just returned from a long work day dealing with over 200 Oregonians and their problems. That and I haven't had my second Brandy on the rocks yet but I'm catching up
 
The way I look at this is that the Blazers tried with Hawes but he preferred the Clips. Kaman is a legit center who's way better than Freeland or Leonard. I might be worried about the injuries if he were a starter, but off the bench he's a reasonable risk....and we still have Leonard and Freeland. What's not to like?
 
Question: How many Blazer fans does it take to change a lightbulb?
Answer: Only one. Any more than that they'll break the bulb trying to turn it in opposite directions.
 
Mediocre Man said:
It was one fucking game, and it was 28 pts. The very next game he had 12/6 in 29 minutes and shot 35% from the floor.


Kaman is adequate back up and all, but posting single game stats as an argument is silly IMO
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No one is saying anything more than just that. The stat line was just an argument to back it up.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
No one is saying anything more than just that. The stat line was just an argument to back it up.
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I can't imagine Meyers or Freeland having a stat line like that in a win against a team fighting for the playoffs.
 
Dudes, Kaman is a good fit for this team. Vet guy a little past his prime joining a good yound team to play off the bench and fill gaping holes (Freeland, Leonard). Every championship team has a guy like this.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
OK . . . I'm a huge Blazer fan and want to see Kaman do well (and not get pissy) so i'm not going continue along with this. Fair to say 5.8 million is one of the "arrays of reasons" he choose the Blazers? But if you think Kaman was going to be a highly sought after FA center and would only consider signing with the Blazers . . . god bless you.
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I think the combination of familiar faces, salary, and competitive potential all contributed to him coming here. The thing that stands out to me is we are the one team who could offer Hughes and Olshey, and I don't think their presence should not be forgotten when discussing kamans decision to sign here.
 
Nice bunt, but everyone was hoping for a home run. The homers replaced, "I love how Olshey always swings for the fences" with, "Every team needs a little chip like this to give the good players a rest."
 
The cap thing next year Isnt going to happen. We will resign lma, Wes and Lopez. Kaman will be a great trade chip next year for a team looking to shed instant salary. We are go ma have to use jt next off-season to really try to get over the hump into contender status.
 
riverman said:
Question: How many Blazer fans does it take to change a lightbulb?
Answer: Only one. Any more than that they'll break the bulb trying to turn it in opposite directions.
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I prefer candles, light bulbs are stupid
 
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