Blazers sold on Bayless as PG of the future

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Register Log in
Crimson the Cat said:
If he were brought in, I think we'd all agree he would be the starter this season. Ultimately we're talking about Hinrich's second-to-last and last contract year. Second to last, he'd be making $9M; the last, $8M. I agree that's a lot for a backup. But Joel will be making almost $7M next year and $7.5M the next. So it's not completely inconsistent with Pritchard's approach with a different, yet equally important position.

Personally, I feel championship teams should overpay for the first big man and point guard off the bench. These positions are just so integral with championship aspirations.

I haven't looked but I would guess that the Lakers and Celtics have had to do this. Maybe not though.
Click to expand...

Agreed. Seems like 8-9 man rotations are the most sucessfull so pay the people who the play most and fill in the rest.
 
Mediocre Man said:
You missed the best line
Click to expand...

Yeah, that one made me laugh out loud. I liked JJ, but tossing the ball to nobody was one of his signature moves. The other was stepping out of bounds with the ball.
 
I know Oden's not slated to play in Summer League, but I wonder if Bayless will encourage him to play to continue what they've got going on. They're both supposed to play against Team USA as well. I don't think Oden has to prove himself there, but it would be interesting to see them both working together in more competitive environments than practice.
 
Entity said:
I know Oden's not slated to play in Summer League, but I wonder if Bayless will encourage him to play to continue what they've got going on. They're both supposed to play against Team USA as well. I don't think Oden has to prove himself there, but it would be interesting to see them both working together in more competitive environments than practice.
Click to expand...

I wonder if playing for the US National Team overlaps the Summer League though.
 
Crimson the Cat said:
I wonder if playing for the US National Team overlaps the Summer League though.
Click to expand...

Doesnt look like it.

Game Date Opponent Time
1 7/13 Toronto Raptors 5 p.m
2 7/15 Houston Rockets 7 p.m.
3 7/17 Denver Nuggets 7:30 p.m.
4 7/18 San Antonio Spurs 7:30 p.m.
5 7/19 D-League All-Stars 7 p.m.

"The July USA Basketball Men's National Team Program mini-camp will include a team meeting July 22, practice sessions on July 23 and July 24, and the camp will be capped by a Blue-White intra-squad game on Saturday, July 25, at UNLV's Thomas & Mack Center. Game time and ticket information will be announced at a later date."
 
Point guards are over rated, I say run 5 combo forward/centers and just play keep away like you did with your kid sister... evenly space a team of five 7 footers down the court and fire bucket relay for dunks. Follow Al Davis' method of always drafting the fastest guy, we just need to always take the tallest guy!
 
Last edited:
yuyuza1 said:
Outside of Rubio, and possibly Jennings, there are not many other high ceiling PGs in this draft, and neither of these two are available for Portland unless it wants to sell the farm for a top draft pick. Bayless has just as much potential to be a star as guys like Flynn, Curry, etc, so why not stick with what you got?
Click to expand...

I was referring to the "spirit" of drafting BPA, not necessarily weighing what our chances of drafting, say, Rubio were. But the bottom line is that if you're KP and you view a player in the draft as an upgrade on your existing player, you take him. And this applies to all our players, not just Bayless.
 
Reep said:
Yeah, that one made me laugh out loud. I liked JJ, but tossing the ball to nobody was one of his signature moves. The other was stepping out of bounds with the ball.
Click to expand...

In JJ's defense he did toss the ball to other people often. Unfortunately they were on the opposing team.
 
Boise Blazer said:
Doesnt look like it.

Game Date Opponent Time
1 7/13 Toronto Raptors 5 p.m
2 7/15 Houston Rockets 7 p.m.
3 7/17 Denver Nuggets 7:30 p.m.
4 7/18 San Antonio Spurs 7:30 p.m.
5 7/19 D-League All-Stars 7 p.m.

"The July USA Basketball Men's National Team Program mini-camp will include a team meeting July 22, practice sessions on July 23 and July 24, and the camp will be capped by a Blue-White intra-squad game on Saturday, July 25, at UNLV's Thomas & Mack Center. Game time and ticket information will be announced at a later date."
Click to expand...

Interesting. I hope he does then play with Bayless in Vegas. It would be a fantastic way to see how they play together in a 5-on-5 setting. I hope the Blazers wouldn't reveal this sort of move though. It would make it really distracting. Kinda cool if we were all just surprised.
 
Crimson the Cat said:
Jason Kidd. Steve Nash. Magic Johnson. Scottie Pippen. They had that same similar quality. Some, it just doesn't come naturally for. I don't know maybe that's just bullshit.
Click to expand...

You're selecting a few of the greatest floor leaders of all-time. No one is saying Bayless is or will have the almost preternatural ability to sense where the ball should go. But those aren't the only players who can be point guards. Using an analogy, the greatest chess masters in the world may have an innate and unusual pattern-matching ability perfectly tuned for chess (which they have to refine with lots and lots of playing). But even people without that can become great chess players, deriving a high-level pattern-matching ability from lots of work and experience.

So, sure, Bayless may never appear to make magical passes, but if he can draw defenders and find open teammates, he can be a very successful point guard for this team. Roy has plenty of play-making ability too, so Bayless doesn't have to be one of the great play-makers in the league. If he can hit shots when playing off the ball and drive-and-dish when he's playing on the ball, he'll be a great complement to Roy.

Remember, Bayless was a point guard in high school and recruited to Arizona as a point guard. He played shooting guard at Arizona due to injury to their planned shooting guard. He has played the role and was expected to at a high level. I think there's good reason that the Blazers have confidence in him to be their point guard of the future.
 
Miksaid said:
Whether or not we have Bayless shouldn't stop us from getting the best player we possible can, even if that player is a point guard. Otherwise this just reminds me of the time when we placed our trust in Telfair when we had the opportunity to draft CP3.
Click to expand...

The BIG difference is we now have Kevin Pritchard running things. If you remember, he was yelling for Chris Paul. I think I trust his eye for talent.
 
Minstrel said:
You're selecting a few of the greatest floor leaders of all-time. No one is saying Bayless is or will have the almost preternatural ability to sense where the ball should go. But those aren't the only players who can be point guards. Using an analogy, the greatest chess masters in the world may have an innate and unusual pattern-matching ability perfectly tuned for chess (which they have to refine with lots and lots of playing). But even people without that can become great chess players, deriving a high-level pattern-matching ability from lots of work and experience.

So, sure, Bayless may never appear to make magical passes, but if he can draw defenders and find open teammates, he can be a very successful point guard for this team. Roy has plenty of play-making ability too, so Bayless doesn't have to be one of the great play-makers in the league. If he can hit shots when playing off the ball and drive-and-dish when he's playing on the ball, he'll be a great complement to Roy.

Remember, Bayless was a point guard in high school and recruited to Arizona as a point guard. He played shooting guard at Arizona due to injury to their planned shooting guard. He has played the role and was expected to at a high level. I think there's good reason that the Blazers have confidence in him to be their point guard of the future.
Click to expand...

Great points. So while Bayless may never have "it" the way some of our past point guard stars have, he still can be a high-level point guard. I'm down with that.
 
You all know that in JJ's worst year (last year in Portland) - his TOV% was better (lower) than Sergio's best year, right?

If you actually look at their career tov% - JJ at 17.7 is high - but is not that far away from Steve Blake (16.5). To be honest, however, Steve was fantastic protecting the ball last year at 13.6 - but JJ had his best year protecting the ball at IND as well - and at 16% - he was actually acceptable...

Just imagine how good we would have looked last year if our backup PG had a 16% TOV% instead of the 24.7% we got from Sergio... That is, right there, probably another win or 2, a first round meeting with the hobbling Spurs instead of the Rockets and a 2nd round meeting with Denver...

For the record - Bayless had a miserable year protecting the ball last year as well - and at 19.3% was pretty bad as well - but still, better than the "born to be PG" Sergio ever did in his career...
 
ODENISGOD said:
The Blazers would have to be mentally challenged to draft another Rookie instead of adding experience.
Click to expand...


Last I heard, drafting rookies was the only option!

We desperately need experience, but that will come through a deal of some sort. (trade, S&T) I suppose it is *possible* that the pick could be part of that deal - but I doubt it. The question then becomes how you get max value out of the pick.
 
andalusian said:
You all know that in JJ's worst year (last year in Portland) - his TOV% was better (lower) than Sergio's best year, right?

If you actually look at their career tov% - JJ at 17.7 is high - but is not that far away from Steve Blake (16.5). To be honest, however, Steve was fantastic protecting the ball last year at 13.6 - but JJ had his best year protecting the ball at IND as well - and at 16% - he was actually acceptable...

Just imagine how good we would have looked last year if our backup PG had a 16% TOV% instead of the 24.7% we got from Sergio... That is, right there, probably another win or 2, a first round meeting with the hobbling Spurs instead of the Rockets and a 2nd round meeting with Denver...

For the record - Bayless had a miserable year protecting the ball last year as well - and at 19.3% was pretty bad as well - but still, better than the "born to be PG" Sergio ever did in his career...
Click to expand...



It was never about the ammount of TO's for me, but with Jack he always seemed to turn the ball over at the worst possible time. Blake seems to do that as well, only not as bad.
 
Mediocre Man said:
It was never about the ammount of TO's for me, but with Jack he always seemed to turn the ball over at the worst possible time. Blake seems to do that as well, only not as bad.
Click to expand...

Ah, I see. Perception vs. Reality. Fair enough. :devilwink:
 
Mediocre Man said:
It was never about the ammount of TO's for me, but with Jack he always seemed to turn the ball over at the worst possible time. Blake seems to do that as well, only not as bad.
Click to expand...

Yeah, Jack's turnovers weren't risky passes, but total unforced brain farts.
 
Mediocre Man said:
It was never about the ammount of TO's for me, but with Jack he always seemed to turn the ball over at the worst possible time. Blake seems to do that as well, only not as bad.
Click to expand...

If you include missed FTs in the last 5 minutes of games, which are a turnover in everything but name, it is very close.
 
Steve Nash? Fucking please......that guy is toasted and over the hill.
 
I see Bayless as a Tony Parker type player. Parker wasn't a great distributor when he first started. Tony Parker is effective because he's so damn good at getting in the lane. Getting into the lane put's ton of pressure on the defense and when teams start to collapse on him he has an easy dump pass or kick out to a 3 point shooter. No one can question Bayless's ability to penetrate and more importantly finish. This kid will have no problem learning how to distribute the ball and set up the offense. More than anything he just needs more playing time to gain confidence.
 
We don't want Jennings, he's super turnover prone and cocky...Poor sport as well! He is exciting to watch and flashy but he doesn't fit our style or needs.
 
LJ Ginger said:
We don't want Jennings, he's super turnover prone and cocky...Poor sport as well! He is exciting to watch and flashy but he doesn't fit our style or needs.
Click to expand...

What did Jennings do to be called a poor sport? I haven't heard anything about that.
 
I'm not convinced that the Blazers are sold on Bayless as PG of the future. I am sure they have hopes he could be the PG of the future and they are doing whatever they can to facilitate his development. But I think the logical thing to do in this PG top heavy draft is try to trade up for the guy they think has the most potential.

Unless they think somebody like Ramon Sessions (who maybe is the only available good young PG in the league) has more potential than anyone in the draft.

So I guess what I am saying is that PG is an important position and we are weak there and so we need to pursue every option for improving there. Developing Bayless is only one part of the strategy.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

cpawfan
Bayless will now get a chance at PG
Replies
2
Views
797
Celtic Fan
Celtic Fan
Trailblazed&Confused
Bayless??
Replies
19
Views
2K
TP3
T
ucatchtrout
Bayless promoted....Sergio demoted
2 3
Replies
76
Views
5K
andalusian
andalusian
ABM
Bayless Actually "Fighting" For Sloppy Seconds?
Replies
18
Views
2K
BLAZER PROPHET
B
ABM
Bayless: "Screw The Fans!"
Replies
14
Views
1K
Minstrel
Minstrel

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top