Game Thread BLAZERS SUMMER LEAGUE 2024

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Pinwheel1 said:
This is true. And I think eventually he will be able to. Either way, I don't really care because at best we are talking about a backup.
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I believe it's a mid-October deadline for the Blazers picking up the option for Murray's 2025-26 season. I'm assuming Cronin will as he seems reluctant to let go of any assets, even if they are neutral or negative at the moment. But it's possible the Blazers won't pick up Murray's 3.1M option

the big test will be, if Murray is till struggling with his shot, if in October of next year the Blazers pick up Murray's 5.3M option for 2026-27
 
Rastapopoulos said:
The Murray haters are going to be mad when he gets minutes just because the coaches love him. You can tell he's the kind of player who actually listens to what they say, understands it, and remembers it.
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Remember the Billups speech ?? "These aren't normal rookies, these guys played against men." .... what happened? Kris, Rupert and Scoot looked identical to normal rookies.

If there's fans hating on Murray, they're directing it towards the wrong person. Being one of the rare Blazer fans that watched almost all the games last season, I saw an inexperienced rookie Forward that wasn't ready for a 30-40m per night against really tough NBA opponents. That was a management decision.
 
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Whyachi said:
Remember the Billups speech ?? "These aren't normal rookies, these guys played against men." .... what happened? Kris, Rupert and Scoot looked identical to normal rookies.

If there's fans hating on Murray, they're directing it towards the wrong person. Being one of the rare Blazer fans that watched almost all the games last season, I saw an inexperienced rookie Forward that wasn't ready for a 30-40m per night against really tough NBA opponents. That was a management decision.
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The one thing that Blazer fans who hate on Murray wanted him to do last year--and this year--was hit 3s. That's all he has to do to ingratiate himself to the fan base. Everything else he does/can do...irrelevant.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
The one thing that Blazer fans who hate on Murray wanted him to do last year--and this year--was hit 3s. That's all he has to do to ingratiate himself to the fan base. Everything else he does/can do...irrelevant.
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Murray's college 3pt percentage was 33% on 6 attempts. Not terrible, but not terrific. Kris averaged 20pts a game in NCAA, but those buckets did not come from towing the line.

Murray's draft outlook was overall skillset. Pesky length, cutting ability, defensive hustle, basketball IQ, and knack for chippies around the hoop.

the difficulty with "hit your darn 3 pointers Kris !!", is that wasn't his game. It's not Jabari's game, nor Toumani's game. Can they be developed into 3&D players? Absolutely they can.

Asking for instant results from NBA rookies, for a 3pt skillset which wasn't their best attribute, seems like deflection from the managers who put these kids in somewhat overwhelming positions.
 
Whyachi said:
Murray's college 3pt percentage was 33% on 6 attempts. Not terrible, but not terrific. Kris averaged 20pts a game in NCAA, but those buckets did not come from towing the line.

Murray's draft outlook was overall skillset. Pesky length, cutting ability, defensive hustle, basketball IQ, and knack for chippies around the hoop.

the difficulty with "hit your darn 3 pointers Kris !!", is that wasn't his game. It's not Jabari's game, nor Toumani's game. Can they be developed into 3&D players? Absolutely they can.

Asking for instant results from NBA rookies, for a 3pt skillset which wasn't their best attribute, seems like deflection from the managers who put these kids in somewhat overwhelming positions.
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He hit 38% his sophomore year when he wasn't the focal point of the offense. Bbref doesn't give shooting splits for college, but i'd imagine his assisted percentage would be slightly higher than that. It was suggested when he was drafted that he was an NBA-ready shooter. He hasn't even been remix-caliber.
 
Whyachi said:
Murray's college 3pt percentage was 33% on 6 attempts. Not terrible, but not terrific. Kris averaged 20pts a game in NCAA, but those buckets did not come from towing the line.

Murray's draft outlook was overall skillset. Pesky length, cutting ability, defensive hustle, basketball IQ, and knack for chippies around the hoop.

the difficulty with "hit your darn 3 pointers Kris !!", is that wasn't his game. It's not Jabari's game, nor Toumani's game. Can they be developed into 3&D players? Absolutely they can.

Asking for instant results from NBA rookies, for a 3pt skillset which wasn't their best attribute, seems like deflection from the managers who put these kids in somewhat overwhelming positions.
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To become an NBA player, you need to be elite at something - then work on your other stuff. Rupert and Camara guard the other team's best wing player. If he was an NBA level "overall skillset" guy, then he'd be filling up the boxscore. He doesn't do that. He's not terrible, he's non-descript.
 
I kinda regret not going to Summer League now because of Clingan. I just had to see the Stones though!
 
Wizard Mentor said:
To become an NBA player, you need to be elite at something - then work on your other stuff. Rupert and Camara guard the other team's best wing player. If he was an NBA level "overall skillset" guy, then he'd be filling up the boxscore. He doesn't do that. He's not terrible, he's non-descript.
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that goes with the inexperience territory. Murray was a late FRP rookie, who isn't built like a truck. He played the incredibly difficult SF/PF position. The idea to give Kris starting minutes during the final 3 months of the season was a Cronin stealth tank special. Just play hard, we need ping pong percentages.

The depth chart last season was an ocean of rookies with a few sophomores. Once a few starters got ouchies, Blazer games turned into basketball Pac-Man running around a maze gobbling up losses.
 
THE HCP said:
Love it. If Clingan can just get us rebounds and block shots….that’s a win! ESPECIALLY FROM THIS YEARS DRAFT!
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That's what some of us were saying. There would be very good players coming out of that draft. But you didn't want to listen...
 
tlongII said:
I kinda regret not going to Summer League now because of Clingan. I just had to see the Stones though!
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It was epic bro! I was in about the 10th row behind the bench their last two games.

my major observations… DC is big af. He was clearly a couple inches (top of head and shoulders) above Sarr standing side by side during a free throw.

also, he had the entire Vegas crowd (casual fans of all diff teams) cheering for him/the Blazers by the second half of both games. I thought that was so cool how real recognizes real.

last but not least, dude plays with fire. He constantly looked out to the crowd after his monster blocks wanting to raise the roof in preparation for Blazer fans/moda center.

we crushed this draft. Deni will be great too.
 
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TYDame said:
Chinese Media following the Blazers because of Jacky. The new Yao Ming lol.
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Not gonna say it’s going to happen, but the NBA is popular in China and the league is trying to promote and increase popularity so I’m sure they would like another Jeremy Lin.
 
Correct me if I’m wrong, but since only 4 teams make the semifinals, we theoretically cannot win the SL championship even if we win game 4 because we will not win the tiebreaker (which is +/- difference?).

The only teams that can win it are those which are undefeated.

So we should tank?
 
PDXFonz said:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but since only 4 teams make the semifinals, we theoretically cannot win the SL championship even if we win game 4 because we will not win the tiebreaker (which is +/- difference?).

The only teams that can win it are those which are undefeated.

So we should tank?
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yes, tank. Bench the Summer League starters except Murray. He needs to keep practicing jump shots.
 
Happen to be driving through Vegas today. Thinking I may swing by the game. Do we know who of Clingan and Murray/Rupert are playing? Should I buy tix at arena or elsewhere?
 
Whyachi said:
yes, tank. Bench the Summer League starters except Murray. He needs to keep practicing jump shots.
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Dont agree, bench the players that wont make team and play those that have a shot. Nice pun
 
THE HCP said:
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Yeah, nice. The left is also 7 feet tall and drafted for his defense, and the stats conveniently don't mention rebounds or blocks. Nor do the stats mention assists, which is suspicious, seeing as they need to be a strength for somebody 6'2" or whatever Bronny is. So, basically: they're both bad at the things that only Bronny really needs to be good at.

Nice that somebody's sticking up for Bronny I guess. Except that they're not really - they're just trashing Sarr.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Yeah, nice. The left is also 7 feet tall and drafted for his defense, and the stats conveniently don't mention rebounds or blocks. Nor do the stats mention assists, which is suspicious, seeing as they need to be a strength for somebody 6'2" or whatever Bronny is. So, basically: they're both bad at the things that only Bronny really needs to be good at.

Nice that somebody's sticking up for Bronny I guess. Except that they're not really - they're just trashing Sarr.
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Ngl Sarr being a bust would provide a decent narrative for DC vs Edey the next decade as best big from this draft, however he does seem like a nice guy.

He rebounds some, dribbles up court well, passes well. Just seems to lack any offensive aggression whatsoever, and is basically a pg in a 7 ft body.

If that’s what WAS wanted… great
 
AmirIcon said:
That's what some of us were saying. There would be very good players coming out of that draft. But you didn't want to listen...
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I haven’t seen any “VERY GOOD” players in this summer league. Good or bad you can’t take anything away from this glorified rat ball. 90% of these dudes won’t be in the league this season let alone play. But you can keep this up if you want. Go back to enjoying all your “VERY GOOD” players.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Yeah, nice. The left is also 7 feet tall and drafted for his defense, and the stats conveniently don't mention rebounds or blocks. Nor do the stats mention assists, which is suspicious, seeing as they need to be a strength for somebody 6'2" or whatever Bronny is. So, basically: they're both bad at the things that only Bronny really needs to be good at.

Nice that somebody's sticking up for Bronny I guess. Except that they're not really - they're just trashing Sarr.
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They BOTH deserve to be trashed FAMS!
 
in case anyone cares, I looked up Sarr's NBL stats this year: he shot 61% on 2ptFG's and 30% on 3ptFG's. He also shot 71% on FT's. Those are fairly decent marks

he didn't play lots of minutes....only averaged around 17. Per36 he averaged 20 pts, 9 rebs, 2 asts, 3 blks.

I don't know if the NBL has better or worse competition than summer league. SL is probably faster paced and Sarr may be having issues adjusting to that. I'd imagine SL is more disorganized for a lot of teams and Sarr likely needs some good facilitators which the Wizards probably don't have
 
robson said:
Is Bronny better than Scoot? Or we don't know yet?
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I’d say no, and yes.

I am enjoying Bronny highlights, and am happy for him. Ignoring the 24/7 coverage and just looking at him as a humble kid, he shows some really nice ability to blow by defenders and finish with either hand…

scoot obviously is a league above Bronny in facilitation currently. So far even his shooting looks a league above Bronny which is… well, self explanatory

whichever one of the two becomes a true master of their abilities will pan out the best. Scoot obviously will have more opportunity to start/play up to full time. Bronny is ultimately a super 6th/7th man best case scenario, and that’s with everything in the universe on his side. I see scoots ceiling as top 3 pg/peak of say Chris Paul. There’s a difference there in potential absolutely, but that should be the case.
 
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