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illmatic99 said:
Our offense was ranked #1 in the playoffs last season?
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We were playing against a pretty bad defense, which probably helped our ranking. But yeah, our starters put up fantastic scoring numbers in those games. Our bench would shit the bed and the lack of defense would catch up to us.
 
It's a different offense, the players would take time to get used to it, also we're playing some real scrubs right now, we aren't deep enough and the bench is weak. I would consider moving CJ to the 2nd unit
 
mook said:
We were playing against a pretty bad defense, which probably helped our ranking. But yeah, our starters put up fantastic scoring numbers in those games. Our bench would shit the bed and the lack of defense would catch up to us.
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Also, that stat lacks context. I assume Denver would have ranked #1 for first round games. (Unless someone else topped them in the first round and dropped off more in subsequent rounds.)
 
Zach Collins Enthusiast said:
It's a different offense, the players would take time to get used to it, also we're playing some real scrubs right now, we aren't deep enough and the bench is weak. I would consider moving CJ to the 2nd unit
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Which really confuses me, because we were led to believe that it ,”wasn’t the roster”.
 
Give me the “predictable” #2 offense in the league all day every day. The only thing predicable was that we were going to bomb the other team with 3s and you better out score us. That our offense was so powerful, that we could have the worst defense in the league and STILL have a chance to beat you and make the playoffs. I’m cool with that.
 
“All I know is I remember the D was horrible during preseason last year (remember those Denver games?) and the coach and players said the exact same things last year (“work in progress”) yet the team ranked 29th in D.”

This team is headed nowhere
 
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THE HCP said:
Give me the “predictable” #2 offense in the league all day every day. The only thing predicable was that we were going to bomb the other team with 3s and you better out score us. That our offense was so powerful, that we could have the worst defense in the league and STILL have a chance to beat you and make the playoffs. I’m cool with that.
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I don't say this very often, but there is some merit to what you're saying. We actually did have a really effective offense last year despite all the complaints about Dame and CJ dominating the ball. If we were to roll back the exact same offense this season, I'd be ok with that. Norm offers a valid third option that Dame just hasn't had in years.

The problem was our defense and our bench. It's way, way too easy to game plan against Dame and CJ. We're probably going to run into the same problem this season no matter who is coach.
 
mook said:
I don't say this very often, but there is some merit to what you're saying. We actually did have a really effective offense last year despite all the complaints about Dame and CJ dominating the ball. If we were to roll back the exact same offense this season, I'd be ok with that. Norm offers a valid third option that Dame just hasn't had in years.

The problem was our defense and our bench. It's way, way too easy to game plan against Dame and CJ. We're probably going to run into the same problem this season no matter who is coach.
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Good points. That is why I got us at 41 wins…..last years bench was better than this years in my opinion. I’ve been getting killed for that opinion, but at least they could score.
 
THE HCP said:
Give me the “predictable” #2 offense in the league all day every day. The only thing predicable was that we were going to bomb the other team with 3s and you better out score us..
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You're cool with making Dame score 50 points a game to win? I mean it's amazing to watch don't get me wrong. But I'd rather have a warriors style offense predicated on ball movement that gets everyone involved. Furthermore, get others going and their defense will pick up.
 
THE HCP said:
Good points. That is why I got us at 41 wins…..last years bench was better than this years in my opinion. I’ve been getting killed for that opinion, but at least they could score.
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We had a bench that could score, but inefficiently. And its defense was so bad that they couldn't come close to making it up on offense.

Our bench this year is basically Nassir and Nance instead of Melo and Kanter. And a year older/wiser Ant. It's a minor downgrade in offense, but a lot of those shots will get taken up by our starters anyway. But our bench defense should be significantly improved.

I have a hard time imagining Dame letting this team win just 41 games.
 
HailBlazers said:
You're cool with making Dame score 50 points a game to win? I mean it's amazing to watch don't get me wrong. But I'd rather have a warriors style offense predicated on ball movement that gets everyone involved. Furthermore, get others going and their defense will pick up.
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I’m cool with “letting” Dame score 50. Who wouldn’t want the Warriors offense? But if the goal is to change the #2 rated offense in the game, I guess it’s a failure unless were #1?
 
AldoTrapani said:
All I know is I remember the D was horrible during preseason last year (remember those Denver games?) and the coach and players said the exact same things last year (“work in progress”) yet the team ranked 29th in D.

This team is headed nowhere
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My man…. We don’t Copy & Paste here at S2……. You just broke the Bro Code!

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THE HCP said:
Good points. That is why I got us at 41 wins…..last years bench was better than this years in my opinion. I’ve been getting killed for that opinion, but at least they could score.
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In the playoffs, our starters were +20 per 100 possessions and we lost the series. That means the bench was atrocious.
 
THE HCP said:
I’m cool with “letting” Dame score 50. Who wouldn’t want the Warriors offense? But if the goal is to change the #2 rated offense in the game, I guess it’s a failure unless were #1?
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Well if the players on the floor are playing such bad defense, it can cancel what they bring on the defense side. Meaning- a roster that is 9th in offense and 12th in defense is better than a roster that is 2nd in offense and 29th in defense. Understand?
 
KSF-ERIC said:
In the playoffs, our starters were +20 per 100 possessions and we lost the series. That means the bench was atrocious.
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No no no, I asked you what THIS seasons bench is doing better?
 
Tince said:
This is a great chart, it really is. It does a great job of pointing out the Blazers are not as good against playoff teams as they are against the rest of the league. What the chart doesn't identify at all, is the reason for this. You might say scheme, I might say roster makeup, and neither/both could be true.
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It's pretty obvious that it's not the roster. I've explained why it happens.
 
Zach Collins Enthusiast said:
It's a different offense, the players would take time to get used to it, also we're playing some real scrubs right now, we aren't deep enough and the bench is weak. I would consider moving CJ to the 2nd unit
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C.J. already plays with the 2nd unit...
 
mook said:
It seemed to last year, judging by your chart.
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Yeah because Dame had an insane series. The larger sample shows it declines and we choked away Game 6 by scoring 20 points in the final 16 minutes against a mediocre defense.
 
THE HCP said:
You continue to bring this up when I was the closest prediction the next season. Keep having fun though.
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im just having a little fun.
If you get to ride others we should be able to ride you, no?
 
Im going to get bashed for this but Damian Lillard needs to lead and rally his team much like a player i dont like CP3.
 
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BonesJones said:
Yeah because Dame had an insane series. The larger sample shows it declines and we choked away Game 6 by scoring 20 points in the final 16 minutes against a mediocre defense.
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I think you could point to game 3 as well.
 
THE HCP said:
Give me the “predictable” #2 offense in the league all day every day. The only thing predicable was that we were going to bomb the other team with 3s and you better out score us. That our offense was so powerful, that we could have the worst defense in the league and STILL have a chance to beat you and make the playoffs. I’m cool with that.
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The Blazers offense under Stotts is like the Beavers (football) defense for as long as I can remember. With the former, most teams don't want to devote the scheming or personnel energy to trapping Dame for fairly meaningless regular season games, but always have that option in their back pocket when the playoffs roll around. With the latter, the team has always played competitively until the opponent gets serious and starts throwing the ball down field in the 4th quarter.
 
handiman said:
The Blazers offense under Stotts is like the Beavers (football) defense for as long as I can remember. With the former, most teams don't want to devote the scheming or personnel energy to trapping Dame for fairly meaningless regular season games, but always have that option in their back pocket when the playoffs roll around. With the latter, the team has always played competitively until the opponent gets serious and starts throwing the ball down field in the 4th quarter.
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In spite of our defense, that offense got us into the playoffs a couple years that I'm not quite sure we deserved it.
 
Being dog shit the first month might be a blessing, with the Dame situation and a new coach it might be the fire that finally motivates a CJ trade.
 
BonesJones said:
It's pretty obvious that it's not the roster. I've explained why it happens.
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You've explained your guess, but at this point that's all it is. If we end up being a top 3-5 offense against multiple teams in this years playoffs, I think you'll have something to back up your guess.

I'm guessing we won't be a top offense/defense in the playoff yet again because it is more roster based. Time will tell.
 
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