Trade Blazers trade Simons for Holiday

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superfly4201 said:
I dreamed of a first for Simmons. We got that in Jrue, that’s a first whatever we do.
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When you want a first round pick just consider anything else a first round pick and it’s like a first round pick, even if it’s not a first round pick. After all, is an actual First round pick any better than an imaginary first round pick? With an actual first round pick, you have to draft a particular player with it. But with an imaginary first round pick, you could draft anybody - even the player you would draft with an actual first round pick.
 
Ed O said:
I tried to make it all the way through this thread but it's just too depressing.

Cronin is an absolute terrible GM. He studied Sam Presti very closely, it seems, and does the exact fucking opposite of how OKC has built a good team.

If we wanted to move Simons, we would have been better off cutting him, eating this year's salary, and then not giving so much money to a 36 year-old who hasn't played in 70 games in a regular season since 2017-18.

I don't know why I'm surprised that Cronin and the Blazers made this kind of shit move, given Cronin's history and management's willingness to extend Cronin in spite of his utter lack of success on the court and in rebuilding the roster.
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Your post is just as depressing lol.

I don't like the contract, that's for sure. But the rest I am more than find with. Scoot and Sharpe can learn a lot from Jru, either starting or playing behind him.

It's kind of like Spurs getting CP3 or the Rockets getting VanVleet. I know CP3 was on a cheap contract, but regardless Holiday will teach this team a lot.

There is also the chance we just re trade him as well.

Too many fans in here get too high or too low whenever we do something lol
 
This feels like Houston getting FVV, an older, championship veteran PG to play next to a bunch of young players and a defense first coach.

Not what I expected at all. But honestly, last year's team was the one I enjoyed most since the 2018-2019 team and it was mostly because of the defense. I like Ant and he clearly tried harder on defense last year, but this move feels more about Shae than Scoot, it is now a Deni and Shae team on offense - and it wasn't before.
 
Gotta wait and see how things unfold. Obviously not many if any saw this coming. I figure some things depend on how the draft goes. Then of course there is teams like the Kings and Mavs that will want to move players.
I'm just not sold that this will be the only thing the Blazers try but the thought of Grant-Jrue-Ayton-Sharpe-Deni-Camara-Scoot-Clingan-Thybule-Williams seems like they have one heck of a defensive team. Billups preaches defense so maybe this is what he is looking for?
 
What a headline to wake up to! Curious what Celtics fans think about getting Ant, I’m going to hear all about it at work today (I work for the Commonwealth, based in Gloucester on the North Shore)
 
I totally understand the reasoning so far. We all wanted Ant gone for Shaedon to have more playing time. Here we are. You will see wednesday evening how little value the 2nd rounders could have. This is meaningless in this trade. And for the money, we won't pay Ayton past this year, so the 2 more Jrue years are not so problematic when speaking about aprons and tax.

Now wait and see what's next. I would guess it's not over.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I merged the two threads, HCP's thread was first but I used the other thread's title.
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This is done on big news threads because we want everyone to be able to see them right?
I mean if you let it go all Willy Nilly we would end up with 4 or 5 threads only certain people could see.
So our Mods step in and save themselves a bunch of work!
 
Holiday is the premier defensive guard of the last decade. Simons is the complete opposite. Watching Simons defend his opponent was a sight to behold.

Simons is/was a glorified bucket getter off the bench.
 
MickZagger said:
Holiday is the premier defensive guard of the last decade. Simons is the complete opposite. Watching Simons defend his opponent was a sight to behold.

Simons is/was a glorified bucket getter off the bench.
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This was a chess move by Joe. He sent Simons to Boston to have a great scoring year with Tatum out, get extended, then sabotage their D and help ensure that their 2029 1RP is in the lotto.
 
So does Ant or Payton Pritchard start next year?
 
JFizzleRaider said:
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Damn we all assumed he was possibly joining a team playing there in the Magic. Never would have dreamed it might be to play for the Celtics. I wonder if he new there was a chance of it.

Simons seems about the most anti Celtic I can think of in the last 5 years. Will be interesting if we see a change in Ant game, change in the Celtics play, or it just completely fails.
 
BIG Q said:
This could save the day. This is the first report of the deal not being consummated until the new league year, which makes the 24-25 salaries moot for matching purposes as they will be using the 25-26 salaries, as well as any potential players and picks being added. This is why I kept saying if the Ant/Jrue trade is done, it sucks in m estimation. If it is still open to add, say, Sacramento, that could change the entire perspective of the deal. Hopefully another team is in need of an aging PG due $104.4 mil over three seasons. Fingers crossed.
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I'm just hoping one of Ayton Grant is dealt.

All three of the AntGrantAyton was unbearable. Thankfully we'll have two at the worst. Now if we can get to one of them I'll be happy to keep him as a vet *leader". I despise Ayton the most on the court, but Grant has the worst contract.
 
wizenheimer said:
ok...hard capped at the first apron. Blazers will be 17M below the 1st apron. But does anybody think Portland was going to pay tax next season>
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I wouldn't be shocked if the Blazers pay tax - the bill is due a year from July and there'll be different owners then.
 
Chris Craig said:
Very unexpected....not trading Simons, but the return. Simons has a negative value? Jrue doesn't make sense. While he is one of the leagues best defenders and would not doubt help us there, he's too old and too expensive. He's basically going to retire after this contract. Also, when we traded for him in the Dame trade, he didn't want to come here and was very glad to be dealt to Boston. Suddenly, Boston decides to trade him back to us? And takes two picks, albeit seconds, to boot? Ugh.

There has to be more. I don't see this being done. More trades must be coming. The trade will likely be expanded or another one will come behind it quickly to relieve us from being hard capped. No way in hell we are paying taxes.

Best to Anfernee. Hope he does well in Boston. I see they are pivoting a bit with Tatum out next season.
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If the Blazers stay out of the luxury tax the hard cap is irrelevant. The hard cap is $5 million more than the luxury tax limit.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
I'm thinking these are the potential teams that would be interested in Holiday. Any interesting assets we could get back?

Dallas
Houston
Miami
Milwaukee
Minnesota
Phoenix
Sacramento
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Id certainly call Dallas Milwaukee Minnesota Sacramento. Any of them have trouble at the draft or free agency and I could see them overpaying for Jrue.

I think the Blazers did this deal with the idea to hold onto Jrue though.

For next season on the court I really like the deal.

In 2028 I'm going to hate it.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I don't think they are trading Scoot.
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I expect they're giving him the keys to car this year. Jrue is as solid a person as there is in the league and will still get 30 MPG at age 35. He does all the little vet things that lead to wins that hopefully the youngins will be picking up on.

neither here nor there, but just remembered I saw Jrue at the Rose Garden in the Nike Hoops Summit game playing for USA back in 2008.

STOMP
 
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SharpesTriumph said:
Id certainly call Dallas Milwaukee Minnesota Sacramento. Any of them have trouble at the draft or free agency and I could see them overpaying for Jrue.

I think the Blazers did this deal with the idea to hold onto Jrue though.

For next season on the court I really like the deal.

In 2028 I'm going to hate it.
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If we’re keeping him our defense is nasty. Looking at the championship game two teams built on defense. Assuming Jrue comes off the bench, our 2nd string is nasty defensively Jrue, Clingan, Thybulle and Grant (complain about him but defensively he’s solid). Combine that with Camara and Deni we are an elite defensive team. Obviously not ready to compete for a championship but should put us in contention as playoff team next year

Sharpe better get his defense in line because right now he’s the guy teams will be attacking.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
If we’re keeping him our defense is nasty. Looking at the championship game two teams built on defense. Assuming Jrue comes off the bench, our 2nd string is nasty defensively Jrue, Clingan, Thybulle and Grant (complain about him but defensively he’s solid). Combine that with Camara and Deni we are an elite defensive team. Obviously not ready to compete for a championship but should put us in contention as playoff team next year

Sharpe better get his defense in line because right now he’s the guy teams will be attacking.
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Jrue makes more sense as a complementary piece with the starters and Scoot coming in to lead the bench offense.

But yeah I'm very excited to see our team defensively. Could be the best Blazers defence since Wes+Batum on the wings with LMA playing well inside.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Id certainly call Dallas Milwaukee Minnesota Sacramento. Any of them have trouble at the draft or free agency and I could see them overpaying for Jrue.

I think the Blazers did this deal with the idea to hold onto Jrue though.

For next season on the court I really like the deal.

In 2028 I'm going to hate it.
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Wouldn’t it be an expiring in 2028 combine that with our draft capital in 2028 and we could potentially make a big trade if we decided to go that direction
 
Reminder to everyone that our defense was actually decent last season and our offense was putrid. I guess we’re doubling down.

#firecronin
 
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