Trade Blazers trade Simons for Holiday

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SheedSoNasty said:
Those of you who wanted the vets gone at any expense are getting their wish.

This will hopefully clear the way for the young guys and provide veteran leadership. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s dealt again before the draft.
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Nah, my dreams were dashed this season. We're no longer trying to build a contender. Just trying to field a team for Chauncey to coach in the play-in.
 
julius said:
I honestly dont' get the weird obsession fans have with players or irrational fears about getting players.

I guess this years is KAT and Beal.

it's like you guys don't read anything you type.
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I want one of them about as much as I would want Jrue. But Portland Management just put the league on notice they are rudderless if Jrue is not flipped before the draft.
 
THE HCP said:
You don’t remember the Jim Paxon trade?
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Which one? He was technically traded twice. Keith Lee first, and then Jerry SHCHEehhziehzhsistisnsting once the Keith Lee trade was voided.
 
julius said:
Yeah, that bastard had nothing to do with the team winning 13+ more games than they were expected to last year!
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Those 13 or so games were not a result of some master stroke... not from the front office or from Chauncey (who I like). Those wins were the difference between a team predicted to be in a game of capture the Flagg tank and a team that decided to abandon a rebuild before completion and win every game they could.
 
blazerkor said:
Those 13 or so games were not a result of some master stroke... not from the front office or from Chauncey (who I like). Those wins were the difference between a team predicted to be in a game of capture the Flagg tank and a team that decided to abandon a rebuild before completion and win every game they could.
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So wins are because of the players and losses are on the coach? Never understood this mind state.
 
blazerkor said:
Those 13 or so games were not a result of some master stroke... not from the front office or from Chauncey (who I like). Those wins were the difference between a team predicted to be in a game of capture the Flagg tank and a team that decided to abandon a rebuild before completion and win every game they could.
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So getting Deni and Tou had nothing to do with them winning more games?

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trying to make sense of this and i cant. but, we CAN flip jrue for more salary than Ant alone.

does sabonis' contract fit the holiday slot? if so, guessing that's where 11 goes...

is ant + 11 for Sabonis reasonable?
 
Phatguysrule said:
Not as much as Simons. Either he'll get back to close to being himself and he'll actually help us win games or he'll come off the bench as a mentor.

Either way is far better than Simons. Except for the money thing...
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He's not coming off the bench (if healthy). And he's probably taking more PG minutes than Ant.
 
julius said:
Yeah, that bastard had nothing to do with the team winning 13+ more games than they were expected to last year!
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They won 13+ more because they were expected to tank again. That is what everyone expected. Then, it appears they decided to put the team up for sale (but did not announce at the time) and inflate their win total. Portland played lots of playoff teams at the end of the season and couldn't hang. Beat the hell out of the shit teams though.
 
THE HCP said:
Damn, I won’t be able to sleep tonight thinking of those TWO SECOND ROUND PICKS!!!!!!
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I dont think it is as much about 2nd round picks as it is that Desmond Freaking Bane got many 1sts and we had to give away 2nds with Simons for a 35 year old PG owed 100 million that clearly is on the downswing of his career.
 
really glad Simons is gone....

Holiday is 35, coming off his worst season as a pro, and will make 35M/year over the next 3 seasons. In other words he has the contract that many here were worried Cronin was going to give Simons

I guess this can be a first move and there might be others. But right now it sure looks like the F.O. wants to go for the playoffs next year

C-
 
THE HCP said:
So wins are because of the players and losses are on the coach? Never understood this mind state.
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There were a handful of wins before the trade deadline where Chauncey coached great, the players played great and it changed the course of the season from tanking for Flagg to whatever course we're on right now. I like Chauncey and I think if he'll coach his philosophies really hard (not let ball stoppers stay in the game, not let defensive liabilities stay in either) then we'll have a bunch of fun games coming up. I don't know if it will end up with us as contenders but I think we're probably headed back to the playoffs.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
I dont think it is as much about 2nd round picks as it is that Desmond Freaking Bane got many 1sts and we had to give away 2nds with Simons for a 35 year old PG owed 100 million that clearly is on the downswing of his career.
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I don’t feel like you can compare what this team got for that player because every situation/trade is unique. Magic obviously really wanted Bane for their own reasons & it’s obvious Simons value around the league isn’t as high as our Rip City colored glasses hoped.
 
BoBoBREWSKI said:
I don’t feel like you can compare what this team got for that player because every situation/trade is unique. Magic obviously really wanted Bane for their own reasons & it’s obvious Simons value around the league isn’t as high as we hoped.
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I'd have rather kept Simons and let him expire at year end than deal him for Holiday.
 


Holy shit. Boston is going to save 40 million in tax savings. The fact we had to add anything to Simons is awful. They should have had to add things to us.
 
I’m not gonna start crying yet, I think there’s a move or two coming. I’ve always liked Jrue but I doubt he wants to be on the Blazers as currently constructed. Either another win now piece is coming or Jrue is being traded again is my guess.
 
LayneStaley said:
I’m not gonna start crying yet, I think there’s a move or two coming. I’ve always liked Jrue but I doubt he wants to be on the Blazers as currently constructed. Either another win now piece is coming or Jrue is being traded again is my guess.
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That would make sense. So we'll wait and see but I hope you're right.
 
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