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Thought Kevin Peltons analysis of the trade was pretty good. While I lean towards it probably being a bad deal I still kind of like it more than most others. If Jrue's struggles this last year were partly from injuries and he can get healthy to play better he might be worth more or even able to flip during the season.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...25-26-breaking-most-impactful-offseason-deals

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Patience is the most valuable commodity in the NBA. Despite the Blazers' second-half run securing new contracts for coach Chauncey Billups and GM Joe Cronin, this trade reflects urgency to get back to the playoffs after a four-year drought.

Holiday's contract, which pays him $104.4 million over the next three seasons, loomed over trade negotiations. Because of his versatile skill set and self-awareness, Holiday is unlikely to be a harmful player throughout that contract. But it's possible by the time Holiday reaches a $37.2 million player option in 2027-28 that he is no longer a starting-caliber player at age 37.

Already, there are worrisome signs. Holiday's usage dipped slightly last season to a career-low 16% despite Boston's starting lineup having less shot creation with Porzingis sidelined for 40 games. The hope was that Holiday might turn it up once the playoffs began. Instead, he averaged just 9.5 PPG while battling a hamstring strain, including four points on 1-of-8 shooting in his final Celtics game in Round 2.

It's more challenging to evaluate statistically, but Holiday didn't feel like the same difference-maker at the defensive end. Injuries made Holiday ineligible to end his run of four consecutive All-Defensive appearances and top-10 finishes in Defensive Player of the Year voting. Absent that, I still would have had White higher on my ballot.

Concerns around Holiday's age would be less important to a contender he could help push over the top immediately. He did it with Boston two years ago after being acquired from Portland in the Damian Lillard deal with the Milwaukee Bucks. The Blazers aren't that team.

It seems unlikely Portland would make this move without going 23-18 over the second half to flirt with a play-in appearance before running out of time to catch the Mavericks. That success was built in large part on poor opponent 3-point shooting that the Blazers will have a difficult time repeating. Teams shot just 34% from 3 against Portland in the second half, the second lowest in the league.

There's no doubt the Blazers improved defensively down the stretch. Their opponent's shot quality went from 13th-best in the first half to eighth in the second half (as measured by GeniusIQ's quantified shot quality metric that considers location and type of shot as well as distance to nearby defenders). But Portland's jump from 27th in opponent effective field-goal percentage in the first half to sixth over the last 41 games overstated the magnitude of that progress.

With Holiday and All-Defensive second-team pick Toumani Camara on the perimeter, plus the rim protection supplied by 2024 lottery pick Donovan Clingan, the Blazers have the potential to be a top defense next season. Without Simons, however, it will be much more difficult for Portland to field a competitive offense.

I could buy a win-now move for a team in the Blazers' position if they were in the East where the conference is wide open because of Achilles injuries to Tatum, Lillard and Tyrese Haliburton that will affect their 2025-26 availability. There's no such dynamic for Portland in the West. The Blazers finished tied for 11th in the conference and have to worry about being caught from behind by the New Orleans Pelicans and San Antonio Spurs, who both can expect better health next season.

Monday's post-Finals Power Rankings for 2025-26, already affected by this deal, had Portland 12th in the West ahead of New Orleans, the Phoenix Suns and Utah Jazz. This deal probably pushes the Blazers ahead of the Sacramento Kings but still leaves them outside the West's top 10. A play-in spot, if likely, is not assured. And making the playoffs remains worse than a 50-50 proposition.

Holiday's professionalism and championship experience should benefit Portland's young guards. The trade would be graded differently if the Blazers were getting paid in draft picks by Boston for the privilege of saving $40 million in luxury taxes. Instead, the draft picks (albeit second-rounders) are heading the Celtics' direction, which doesn't seem to accurately reflect the difference in the two contracts.

In a worst-case scenario where Portland wanted to move on from Simons and hand 2023 No. 2 pick Scoot Henderson the keys to the offense, taking on Holiday substantially curtails the team's cap flexibility for 2026 and 2027. The Blazers could have extended the contract of shooting guard Shaedon Sharpe and still had max-level cap space next summer by letting Simons walk. That scenario is now off the table, and it's worth considering whether Portland would have offered Holiday his current contract as a free agent using cap space.

The hard reality of NBA rebuilding is the easiest way to short-circuit things is to push in too early, capping the group's potential in favor of modest success that eventually feels hollow. Trading Holiday alone won't do that for Portland, but it's not an promising indicator of the team's priorities."
 
You like this article cause it fits YOUR narrative and that is fine but does not make it good or bad and only time will tell if it's true
 
I didn't think he was going to play his contract out here anyways.
Do you think Joe and Chauncey will even want him in camp? I think Joe knew from before that Jrue doesn't want to be here and I'm betting that this was always intended to be a flip.
 
nah, I'll just assume you're misconstruing things to fit your silly narative

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I don't have a narrative - I just relayed reports by well regarded national media that provide some backup to other posters common sense speculation.

Your the one that discounted their comments as delusional and unreasonable. Meanwhile you've provided zero basis to back that up, other than your years old personal opinions.
 
Do you think Joe and Chauncey will even want him in camp? I think Joe knew from before that Jrue doesn't want to be here and I'm betting that this was always intended to be a flip.

I think they genuinely want him here right now. This is as much an investment in Scoot and Shaedon and the rest of the team as it is anything. Jrue will level up our young guys. He's a fantastic teammate. And his acquisition will make them better on the court.
 
I don't have a narrative - I just relayed reports by well regarded national media that provide some backup to other posters common sense speculation.

Your the one that discounted their comments as delusional and unreasonable. Meanwhile you've provided zero basis to back that up, other than your years old personal opinions.
you've presented no reports. None. But you have claimed he was good when he wasn't. Common sense??? Why would anyone want to pay top dollar for slightly above average? Thats what Grant was back in his mid-20s. Its completely laughable to think that years removed from good play & regular availability now entering his 3os not only would other GMs want to take his massive deal on, but that Portland management was holding out for a king's ransom (2 FRPs) on top of that. Lastly, we are never ever privy to the inner workings of deals that don't happen, only rumorama. That you bought a stinking pile of unsubstantiated BS as reality isn't my problem, but it is good for a laugh

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I don’t buy the mentor thing. 35 year old Jrue doesn’t wanna be on a team fighting for the 8th seed. I believe he will be flipped and the Blazers are pushing the keep him narrative to help with possible trade compensation. I believe this was the plan from the beginning, Cronin is playing keep away from some team that really wants Jrue who has a piece he wants.
 
I don’t buy the mentor thing. 35 year old Jrue doesn’t wanna be on a team fighting for the 8th seed. I believe he will be flipped and the Blazers are pushing the keep him narrative to help with possible trade compensation. I believe this was the plan from the beginning, Cronin is playing keep away from some team that really wants Jrue who has a piece he wants.
The Clippers, Kings and Mavs were reported to be his most likely landing spots before we shocked everyone. I wouldn't be surprised if Joe is pitting them against each other. Who knows though? Just have to wait and see.
 
I don’t buy the mentor thing. 35 year old Jrue doesn’t wanna be on a team fighting for the 8th seed. I believe he will be flipped and the Blazers are pushing the keep him narrative to help with possible trade compensation. I believe this was the plan from the beginning, Cronin is playing keep away from some team that really wants Jrue who has a piece he wants.
I dont see Joe as a 4d chess kinda guy.
 
I think they genuinely want him here right now. This is as much an investment in Scoot and Shaedon and the rest of the team as it is anything. Jrue will level up our young guys. He's a fantastic teammate. And his acquisition will make them better on the court.

Exactly how? Holiday being on the roster will be the same as Ant, limiting their playing time and having a front row seat to watch another vet finish out the games. Because their numbers and usage will be low, their ability to command a large contract will be stunted. If I were Scoot or Shaedon I would want out of town on the first plane. I understand you and management do not care about those things. Players do. If the Blazers cannot commit to them, move them. They are killing their value as well as development.
 
Don’t worry Joe probably asked Jrue’s camp to refute that “I’m pissed” report to help his trade value. Joe is always 2 moves ahead.
 
Exactly how? Holiday being on the roster will be the same as Ant, limiting their playing time and having a front row seat to watch another vet finish out the games. Because their numbers and usage will be low, their ability to command a large contract will be stunted. If I were Scoot or Shaedon I would want out of town on the first plane. I understand you and management do not care about those things. Players do. If the Blazers cannot commit to them, move them. They are killing their value as well as development.
Killing their development? SS has upped his scoring each year, scoring 18.5 ppg in his third year of basketball since high school. Now we’ve traded Ant to create more usage for him. SS should score 23-25 ppg next season, establishing himself as one of the best young players in the association.
 
Killing their development? SS has upped his scoring each year, scoring 18.5 ppg in his third year of basketball since high school. Now we’ve traded Ant to create more usage for him. SS should score 23-25 ppg next season, establishing himself as one of the best young players in the association.

Good luck with that. He was benched for poor defense. Many here want to see an all defense team out there. That is not Sharpe. And he would have averaged 25 by your thinking if Ant and CB were out of his way.
 
Exactly how? Holiday being on the roster will be the same as Ant, limiting their playing time and having a front row seat to watch another vet finish out the games. Because their numbers and usage will be low, their ability to command a large contract will be stunted. If I were Scoot or Shaedon I would want out of town on the first plane. I understand you and management do not care about those things. Players do. If the Blazers cannot commit to them, move them. They are killing their value as well as development.
Jrue might prevent Scoot Sharpe from getting as much minutes as they like. But he's not going to stand in the way of their offense or roles. He's nothing like Simons. Total team first guy and will go do anything on either end to best help the team. I'm actually very excited to see these guys all play together next season.

The concern is 100 million of salary until 2028.
 
Now it makes sense again!


Fentress? I didn't know reading it on Twitter at the time of the trade counted as a source telling him. Maybe it was fans that read the tweets that told him.
 
Nothing bat all...Ive had some great time in that place over the years and won a few foos ball tourney there in late 80's, early 90's.

You used to play in foosball tourney’s?

we should talk stories. My father was a pro player. Travelled the country from tourney to tourney. We have a room full of trophies and stuff. Signed photo of Larry Holmes in a ring with a table in it., etc.
 
Lastly, we are never ever privy to the inner workings of deals that don't happen, only rumorama.

Adding onto my rant... of course who starts the "sources say" rumors we get are agents serving their client's interests. Reporters/media are more then happy to run with anything juicy even if they know it's likely not true. Does it really have to be spelled out who's interests are being served with rumors that Portland's management is holding out trading an under performing Grant for multiple 1sts when he is getting derided by PDX fans?

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Adding onto my rant... of course who starts the "sources say" rumors we get are agents serving their client's interests. Reporters/media are more then happy to run with anything juicy even if they know it's likely not true. Does it really have to be spelled out who's interests are being served with rumors that Portland's management is holding out trading an under performing Grant for multiple 1sts when he is getting derided by PDX fans?

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I never said national media reported Grant was worth multiple 1st.

Nate Duncan reported that Grant had positive trade value last summer (summer 2024) to multiple NBA teams and was surprised the Blazers didn't flip him then. Brought it up again during the season when Grants horrible play tanked his value.

You have to consider the source for national media. If its some random twitter article based on AI generation it probably means nothing. There are national media that certainly give a good insight into value throughout the league.
 
You used to play in foosball tourney’s?

we should talk stories. My father was a pro player. Travelled the country from tourney to tourney. We have a room full of trophies and stuff. Signed photo of Larry Holmes in a ring with a table in it., etc.
Wow...just locally and down at the oregon coast once in a while. Thats neat about your pop, I wasnt close to being a professional those guy's were a league of their own. Did he ever play The Chili Bowl in Newport Oregon? They had some pro tourneys. I haven't touched a table in almost 25 years.
 
I never said national media reported Grant was worth multiple 1st.

Nate Duncan reported that Grant had positive trade value last summer (summer 2024) to multiple NBA teams and was surprised the Blazers didn't flip him then. Brought it up again during the season when Grants horrible play tanked his value.

You have to consider the source for national media. If its some random twitter article based on AI generation it probably means nothing. There are national media that certainly give a good insight into value throughout the league.
The source is Grant's agent trying to help his client to save face. Try using a little common sense as to why a team would want to commit to paying fillet mignon prices for hamburger for years when they're on a limited budget?

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Somebody other than me (I've started too many threads, I think we can all agree) post a poll about thumbs up/thumbs down for the Ant-Jrue trade. I'm kind of surprised how many people seem to be down on it - I think it's great!

[Edit: nobody did it, so I was forced to]
 
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