Blazers trade the #7 pick for.....? (1 Viewer)

[BonesJones]

Portland cannot trade the pick. They have to make the selection on draft night and then can trade the player. You can't trade your first-round pick two years in a row. So, in theory, there could be a deal in place, but it would not be announced until draft night at the earliest.

The terms can be agreed upon (and therefore leaked) while only being able to be made official after a certain date in the future. It's happened multiple times including with RoCo and Anthony Davis.

 

[perkinsfor3]

How are you getting Lavine in this situation?

Hes a FA this summer, right?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Hes a FA this summer, right?

Blazers don't have cap space to resign Nurk and Ant, even before your other moves, while signing Lavine

 

[Hoopguru]

You need role players that fill a specific roll. It's not as simple as just adding up all-star appearances until you hit a magic number. OG is perfect for what we need from our SF.

He's a good solid player but wouldn't you say Daniels at 7 could be as good, if not a starter in a year or two if not sooner? So would you trade 7 for OG A?

 

[perkinsfor3]

Blazers don't have cap space to resign Nurk and Ant, even before your other moves, while signing Lavine

Let Nurk walk, then. Theres a lot of FA big men this summer.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Let Nurk walk, then. Theres a lot of FA big men this summer.

But the Blazers wouldn't have any FA $ to spend on a big if they use it to sign LaVine.

To get your max level cap space do you also want to let Ant walk and don't trade Bledsoe for OG from your post? Those may be the needed moves to clear that max cap space.

Gets the Blazers a starting lineup of;

Dame
LaVine Hart
Little
?
?

Maybe you can squeeze in one of Ant, Nurk, OG with some trades and other cap mechanics. Still that is not a good roster. There is no way to get the starting lineup you had in your post.

Really all these hypotheticals have done IMO is show that its a poor strategy for the Blazers to use actual cap space. The Blazers are better off trying to get Ant and Nurk back on reasonable contracts or in sign and trades, using the TPE, and if possible trade EB contract.

 

[blazerfan11]

But they don't have more value to us than those guys do to other teams.

True. I would agree there.

 

[illmatic99]

Givony said Grant doesn't have close to the kind of value of getting #7. He estimates his value is closer to a late first.

Thank you.

 

[glazeduck]

Givony said Grant doesn't have close to the kind of value of getting #7. He estimates his value is closer to a late first.

Thank you.

On the heels of him also reporting that Dame wants to play with Sharpe feels like anything but a coincidence to me... The whole world knew we were planning on trading a late lotto pick for Grant before the Pels made the playoffs (this would align perfectly with Cronin's approach to getting things done by overpaying).

 

[illmatic99]

On the heels of him also reporting that Dame wants to play with Sharpe feels like anything but a coincidence to me... The whole world knew we were planning on trading a late lotto pick for Grant before the Pels made the playoffs (this would align perfectly with Cronin's approach to getting things done by overpaying).

i find it really odd how readily dame's name gets thrown around. First it was Ayton/OG. Now they're even attaching his name for draft picks.

 

[B-Roy]

Givony said Grant doesn't have close to the kind of value of getting #7. He estimates his value is closer to a late first.

Thank you.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/06/hawks-rumors-collins-capela-grant-bogdanovic.html

Both Stein and Jeremy Woo of SI.com continue to link Collins to the Trail Blazers, with Woo suggesting that Atlanta is “eyeing” Portland’s No. 7 overall pick and Stein agreeing that a Collins deal structured around that No. 7 pick seems plausible.

After writing a couple weeks ago that the Hawks continued to exhibit interest in Pistons forward Jerami Grant, Stein clarifies that it was actually Detroit that showed more interest in a hypothetical deal that would involve Grant, the Hawks’ No. 16 overall pick, and Bogdan Bogdanovic, while Atlanta was less enthusiastic about the idea. It’s not clear how Bogdanovic’s recent knee surgery might affect the Pistons’ interest in such a trade or the Hawks’ ability to move him, Stein writes.

Good chance something goes down with the Blazers/Hawks/Pistons on draft night if Cronon doesn't get fleeced for OG...

 

[glazeduck]

i find it really odd how readily dame's name gets thrown around. First it was Ayton/OG. Now they're even attaching his name for draft picks.

I think it makes sense -- he's arguably the biggest lever of the offseason. If the rumor is coming internally, that's Cronin leaning into the global understanding that every move he makes is a direct reflection on what Dame wants for the team. Whether he wants to like it or not, that's the real reality of his situation as our GM. If the rumor is external, it's almost certainly teams invoking Dame's impatience to try to ramp up the pressure/urgency to make a needle-moving deal (or what you're trying to sell as a needle-moving deal, anyway) and drive our price down.

You've got a superstar sitting on a crossroads pick in the draft with very clear and obvious needs -- pretty much the perfect setup for a TON of smoke.

The caveat that I find interesting to think about amidst the "what is/isn't real" question... is Dame just being a different cat. Logic would reason that there's no benefit to Dame telling Givony what he's actually wanting, 2 days ahead of the draft. But Dame hasn't exactly always acted logically... so you can even question the subtext of the smoke

Good times! First rule of this time of year -- believe nothing...

 

[SharpesTriumph]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/06/hawks-rumors-collins-capela-grant-bogdanovic.html



Good chance something goes down with the Blazers/Hawks/Pistons on draft night if Cronon doesn't get fleeced for OG...

Yeah this seems something along the lines of what I guess Cronin would probably like to do as well. Send out the #7 and if necessary something else, but get two starting forwards;

ATL #7
DET Bledsoe #16
POR Grant & Collins

or possibly Cronin superior preference if they can get OG;

TOR #7
DET Bledsoe, #33, 2025 Milwaukee pick
POR Grant & OG

The Blazers wouldn't have to guarantee the full EB contract, just enough to match the incoming salary of Collins or OG. Maybe the Blazers send Little or someone else out in the trade which further reduces the amount of EB guarantee to Detroit. Blazers resign Ant Nurk and get an MLE free agent.

Dame Ant
Hart MLE Keon
Grant Little Didi
OG (or Collins) Watford
Nurk Winslow Brown

 

[illmatic99]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/06/hawks-rumors-collins-capela-grant-bogdanovic.html



Good chance something goes down with the Blazers/Hawks/Pistons on draft night if Cronon doesn't get fleeced for OG...

from that woo article: https://www.si.com/nba/2022/06/20/n...lmgren-paolo-banchero-latest-buzz-predictions
Portland would be a pretty cushy landing spot for him. I would also keep an eye on Shaedon Sharpe here, if the Blazers decide to take the long view.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

Yeah this seems something along the lines of what I guess Cronin would probably like to do as well. Send out the #7 and if necessary something else, but get two starting forwards;

ATL #7
DET Bledsoe #16
POR Grant & Collins

or possibly Cronin superior preference if they can get OG;

TOR #7
DET Bledsoe, #33, 2025 Milwaukee pick
POR Grant & OG

The Blazers wouldn't have to guarantee the full EB contract, just enough to match the incoming salary of Collins or OG. Maybe the Blazers send Little or someone else out in the trade which further reduces the amount of EB guarantee to Detroit. Blazers resign Ant Nurk and get an MLE free agent.

Dame Ant
Hart MLE Keon
Grant Little Didi
OG (or Collins) Watford
Nurk Winslow Brown

I don't like the Grant addition in either of these two scenarios.
I'm fine with either Collins or OG. If we get one of those two - we are better served finding a wing elsewhere.

 

[Blazinaway]

But if the Heat really want him, wouldn't that up your opinion of him. They don't make many mistakes personnel wise.

First off rumors are everywhere draft week and vast majority BS, secondly I would not mind Grant if he was relati

True. I would agree there.

Finally some reality! If they really want Grant how bout the Mil 25 and use the TPE

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I don't like the Grant addition in either of these two scenarios.
I'm fine with either Collins or OG. If we get one of those two - we are better served finding a wing elsewhere.

What about get both of those two but as you said leave out Grant?

ATL Eric Bledsoe, #7
TOR Little, #16, 2025 Milwaukee pick
PDX OG, Collins, Boban

Dame Ant
Hart MLE Keon
OG Boban Didi
Collins Watford
Nurk Winslow Brown

Fanspo shows the salaries match. I think if we do acquire two starting forward in trades this offseason we might see it in one deal of this type at the draft. It is easier to match the salaries and provide the most salary relief to other teams if the transaction can be structured as a 3 way trade, while providing the least guarantee amount needed to Eric Bledsoe contract. One player can come in via the trade exception and the other via matching Bledsoe plus any other Blazers salaries.

Now if the Blazers only agree to bring in one starter in a trade at the draft, I think they'll aim to delay finalizing the deal until early July and try to add a 3rd team for the second starter as I mentioned. However the downside to waiting is the draft will be over with and completed at that time, and all picks made, so it is harder to get the 3rd team players they most want. That is why we might instead see it all happen Thursday.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

UFA Grant is not worth a lotto pick.

All these multi-team deals that nets Detroit a lotto pick is overpaying.

A very protected pick/TPE is his value.

 

[Scalma]

UFA Grant is not worth a lotto pick.

All these multi-team deals that nets Detroit a lotto pick is overpaying.

A very protected pick/TPE is his value.

If the only vet that's available for the 7th pick is Grant I would rather just keep the pick and take a swing at Daniels/Sharpe/etc

 

[Blazinaway]

UFA Grant is not worth a lotto pick.

All these multi-team deals that nets Detroit a lotto pick is overpaying.

A very protected pick/TPE is his value.

Grant is NOT a UFA this tear, he has one yr left on his contract, fully agree a lotto pick is too much for grant

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Grant is NOT a UFA this tear, he has one yr left on his contract, fully agree a lotto pick is too much for grant

He’s an expiring. He’s unrestricted next summer.

He is not worth a lotto pick.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

He’s an expiring. He’s unrestricted next summer.

He is not worth a lotto pick.

This is an interesting way of classifying players.

Nassir Little is a restricted free agent, he will be restricted.
Damian Lillard hasn't playing healthy for an NBA game in 25 months.
Jusuf Nurkic and Anfernee Simons have each been unsigned in the NBA for a year.

(next summer)

 

[illmatic99]

Mike Richman did a podcast with his Raptors' counterpart from locked on discussing the OG idea.

Just an awful listen... they both seem to think Hart + 7 is still not enough to land Anunoby.

For fucks sake... I would probably reject 7 alone for OG just based on his worrying injury history, now he wants to throw in Hart as a filler? And given how much Chauncey loved Hart and claimed he wanted a whole team full of guys like him, I don't think we're just gonna readily throw in Hart in any deal. I feel like these guys are so far removed from reality sometimes, and it's hard to believe because they do daily podcasts about the team.

 

[Hoopguru]

Mike Richman did a podcast with his Raptors' counterpart from locked on discussing the OG idea.

Just an awful listen... they both seem to think Hart + 7 is still not enough to land Anunoby.

For fucks sake... I would probably reject 7 alone for OG just based on his worrying injury history, now he wants to throw in Hart as a filler? And given how much Chauncey loved Hart and claimed he wanted a whole team full of guys like him, I don't think we're just gonna readily throw in Hart in any deal. I feel like these guys are so far removed from reality sometimes, and it's hard to believe because they do daily podcasts about the team.

I wouldnt. I know some think he is the perfect 3 for us, but I wouldn't include Hart.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Mike Richman did a podcast with his Raptors' counterpart from locked on discussing the OG idea.

Just an awful listen... they both seem to think Hart + 7 is still not enough to land Anunoby.

For fucks sake... I would probably reject 7 alone for OG just based on his worrying injury history, now he wants to throw in Hart as a filler? And given how much Chauncey loved Hart and claimed he wanted a whole team full of guys like him, I don't think we're just gonna readily throw in Hart in any deal. I feel like these guys are so far removed from reality sometimes, and it's hard to believe because they do daily podcasts about the team.

I agree with many of your sentiments on the trade. Yes I'd like to add OG to our roster, but when its the 3rd best forward of a middling playoff team and on a mid sized (not cheap) contract he isn't top5 pick valuable as they are implying. Ray Allen was traded for the 5th pick. The Raptors clearly don't rank him ahead of their other forwards, neither of whom are stars.

Richman just seems like such a push over to me, I think he'd agree to whatever a counterpart said.

I might flip OG for Hart straight up, as OG fits better positionally on our roster, and he might have a bit more upside. But I'm fine with keeping Hart instead of OG. I'd rank them as very similar level of players. The idea that the difference between them is greater than the worth of the 7th pick is ridiculous.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Richman is trying to create value about OG so fans try to act like we are contenders after trading #7 and Hart for him.

 

[tykendo]

I'm not giving the #7 and Hart for OG. That's too much. OG is a nice player but veryyyy inconsistant. I'd prefer the Blazers try to get Collins and the #16 , and keep Hart. Now we're talking. I like OG, but i don't get all the over value of him as far as compensation goes.

 

[B-Roy]

KOC doesn't think we're moving the pick unless it's for OG Anunoby.

 

[Freshtown]

I don’t understand why Toronto wouldn’t want 7 for OG. That is inanely good value for them. I wonder what the chances are of Masai just trying to squeeze out more assets, and if he can’t, he’ll take hart and 7 (which I would hate).

 

[santeesioux]