Blazers trade the #7 pick for.....? (1 Viewer)

[SharpesTriumph]

Right now, I like trading down to #13 and #15 for Eason and Sochan, and trading Bledsoe + Winslow + MIL 1st for Grant. I would want a C at #36, but if the draft process reveals Nzosa Yannick will go undrafted or will be available in the #50s, I’d pick the BPA at #36 and draft Nzosa with the second 2nd or sign him as undrafted.

That would be a nice little rotation at forward. Grant, Sochan, and Eason are all lanky defenders at forward, and Nassir is a great point of attack defender. Watford and Brown are still on the roster as well which takes care of your forward rotation and ensures Hart plays most of his minutes at SG.

They would be set at guard as well, with Dame/Ant plays PG and Ant/Hart play SG. Let’s see what happens to Keon with a full year of development at PG.

Re-sign Nurkic. Sign Jalen Johnson with MLE.
We would still have the TPE, which I would probably try to absorb a contract for a 2023 1st so we can get into next year’s draft. But the framework of this lineup—I can be satisfied with:

Dame/Simons/Keon
Simons/Hart/Keon
Grant/Little/Eason
Sochan/Eason/Watford/Brown III
Nurkic/Johnson/(Yannick or C at #36)
(not including whoever we get for the TPE)

In a competitive WC, I think we could still make the 2nd round. But we need to address the forward situation now. After a disastrous trade deadline, landing Grant/Sochan/Eason would still be a decent outcome.

So forwards are Grant, rookies, and scrubs?

Next season this is at best a playin team and more likely a lottery team.

I actually don't think your proposed moves are bad... This more just shows how much work this roster needs.

 

[BankTeller]

I like all of that for the long-term future of the Blazers.....but doubt Dame likes that for the immediate future of the Blazers. Our PF position would be the Diaper Dandies.

That’s actually so funny, cause for some reason, Dame continuing to be loyal despite the trash moves at the deadline tells me he doesn’t care. I honestly see Dame being like Beal atm, comfortable life in the situation he’s in without the need to care about whether or not his family will ever be hungry. It seems like he’ll be happy riding the treadmill till he’s not, at which point he’ll leave and the Blazers will be sold. And at the same time, Keljin DOLLA has had a spot on the team for two years. So with all due respect to Dame, if he wasn’t okay with it and decides he’d be elsewhere to actually compete, I’m at the point where I will be willing to trade him. Dame will fetch a very decent return.

This is all assuming you’re correct that he wouldn’t like that for the future. I tend to think the opposite—I doubt he’d have a problem with that roster as long as they can be competitive. If you could find a starting PF with the TPE, awesome.

You can’t have a terrible trade deadline and think you can have it all in the offseason though. If Dame has a problem with this roster, he should’ve had a problem with trading Covington and Powell for nothing. You keep Dame by building the team the way you envisioned and ensuring it puts Dame over the top to compete, not lollygaging in the front office and signing family members to keep him happy or trading 2 cheap rookie deals of Bey or Bane or Maxey, etc for 2 years of Covington.

I learned from my mistakes supporting the Covington and Afflalo deal. But that’s just me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[BankTeller]

So forwards are Grant, rookies, and scrubs?

Next season this is at best a playin team and more likely a lottery team.

I actually don't think your proposed moves are bad... This more just shows how much work this roster needs.

You can’t have a terrible trade deadline and think you can have it all in the offseason though unfortunately, which is the problem.

Who exactly do you think is the scrub on that team, if you don’t mind me asking. Keon? Yeah, a trade from the deadline that I didn’t support, what can ya do. Hart? Yeah, a trade from the deadline. Watford? Yeah, he was undrafted. Brown III? Yeah, we already knew he was raw. If it’s one of the rookies you were thinking that scrubby—yeah, they’re rookies.

You’ve already tied my hands behind my back unfortunately, so how do I make the omelet?

 

[blazerkor]

https://www.nbcsports.com/washingto...re-does-shaedon-sharpe-slot-after-nba-combine

2022 NBA MOCK DRAFT 9.0: This mock draft has us taking A.J. Griffin. Thoughts?

No thanks!

 

[HansenYang]

https://www.nbcsports.com/washingto...re-does-shaedon-sharpe-slot-after-nba-combine

2022 NBA MOCK DRAFT 9.0: This mock draft has us taking A.J. Griffin. Thoughts?

Yuck.
Griffin's best case scenario is basically like Kyle Korver... a 3 &___.

Griffin is a very good shooter & has a great NBA body - but really doesn't do much else beyond shooting.

 

[TBpup]

There are a number of teams in Salary Cap hell, or right on the edge that Portland may be able to 'help'. Cronin is supposedly a cap guru as is the new hire from the Jazz. .

It's a roll of the dice, but D69 has done more than just Draft digging, and there are some teams that need to make moves financially.

Maybe we actually get something out of the TPE, EBEC, Ingles, Hart, etc.

 

[BankTeller]

There are a number of teams in Salary Cap hell, or right on the edge that Portland may be able to 'help'. Cronin is supposedly a cap guru as is the new hire from the Jazz. .

It's a roll of the dice, but D69 has done more than just Draft digging, and there are some teams that need to make moves financially.

Maybe we actually get something out of the TPE, EBEC, Ingles, Hart, etc.

I would only trade Hart if we were set on drafting Dyson Daniels. I can at least be excited about a Dame/Ant/Daniels trio at the guard position.

But man, if we traded Hart and got back someone who doesn’t help, we basically got nothing for CJ. That’s a stinger.

 

[TBpup]

I would only trade Hart if we were set on drafting Dyson Daniels. I can at least be excited about a Dame/Ant/Daniels trio at the guard position.

But man, if we traded Hart and got back someone who doesn’t help, we basically got nothing for CJ. That’s a stinger.

I think it's very possible the Blazers don't take whomever is available at #7. Whether that is to move down for a player, a player/pick, etc, there is a lot of things pointing to them not taking the pick. Here is one small example. The Raports will have or have had in Dyson Daniels and Benedict Mathurin. Their first pick as of now, is at #33. They have cap issues coming this year and even more so next year. Getting off some of the cap obligations with either an ending contract and/or a pick that they don't owe so much money to would help them a lot.

The Spurs are also very interested in Daniels and know that the Pelicans want him, so need to move up to get him. If #9 would get you OG, I'd trade #7 for #9 and either #20 or #25. Get OG, and a young player or use that pick or the Bucks pick to go after a Grant or a Collins because the Hawks are in the worst Cap situation in the league.

That would be a BIG upgrade in our forwards situation. Not sur that is contender status, but it is a a huge jump. I'd also like to somehow see Bamba or Jalen Smith added to that if they could. More Bigs!

 

[Scalma]

Now here’s a guy you trade a lottery pick for

 

[tykendo]

Now here’s a guy you trade a lottery pick for

If they can't draft Murray, i think he would be their top choice. Along with John Collins. In a perfect world, the Blazers would probably love to draft Murray, and acquire OG. Team need wise , and financially, that would be a huge win-win.

 

[TBpup]

Now here’s a guy you trade a lottery pick for

Fischer is doing a good job of readying our board. He left out some of the details we have included here though.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

LISTEN TO THIS MAN

 

[wizenheimer]

There are a number of teams in Salary Cap hell, or right on the edge that Portland may be able to 'help'. Cronin is supposedly a cap guru as is the new hire from the Jazz. .

It's a roll of the dice, but D69 has done more than just Draft digging, and there are some teams that need to make moves financially.

Maybe we actually get something out of the TPE, EBEC, Ingles, Hart, etc.

Portland might end up with some hell of their own if they re-sign Ant and Nurkic for a lot of money while also being a dumping ground for some team's bloated salary

 

[illmatic99]

There are a number of teams in Salary Cap hell, or right on the edge that Portland may be able to 'help'. Cronin is supposedly a cap guru as is the new hire from the Jazz. .

It's a roll of the dice, but D69 has done more than just Draft digging, and there are some teams that need to make moves financially.

Maybe we actually get something out of the TPE, EBEC, Ingles, Hart, etc.

The salary cap hell point is something I brought up a few months ago. i specifically pointed out Atlanta (Collins), Denver (Gordon), and Brooklyn (Simmons/Harris).

 

[TBpup]

Portland might end up with some hell of their own if they re-sign Ant and Nurkic for a lot of money while also being a dumping ground for some team's bloated salary

They could....but since they got under the Lux Tax last year, they aren't in repeater territory. Teams like ATL, etc, are in serious trouble. Portland could go back over the Lux Tax (if certain things don't happen to Dead Cap them) and be okay for a year or two until the Cap goes up.

 

[wizenheimer]

They could....but since they got under the Lux Tax last year, they aren't in repeater territory. Teams like ATL, etc, are in serious trouble. Portland could go back over the Lux Tax (if certain things don't happen to Dead Cap them) and be okay for a year or two until the Cap goes up.

if the Blazers are for sale, I'm not sure the Vulcans would agree to Blazers being a tax team

here's the thing though: I don't believe Nurkic can get more than 12M/year on the open free agent market; and I don't believe Simons can get 20M?year. If Cronin doesn't repeat Olshey's habit of bidding against himself, I think Portland could re-sign both for a lot closer to a combined 30M than 40-45M. And if that's the case, Blazers would have more flexibility

I still don't believe there would be enough payoff in taking a bad contract for a mediocre player to justify it though

and yeah, I know all it takes is one team to bust that theory open, but I just don't see big bids coming in for either player

 

[TBpup]

if the Blazers are for sale, I'm not sure the Vulcans would agree to Blazers being a tax team

here's the thing though: I don't believe Nurkic can get more than 12M/year on the open free agent market; and I don't believe Simons can get 20M?year. If Cronin doesn't repeat Olshey's habit of bidding against himself, I think Portland could re-sign both for a lot closer to a combined 30M than 40-45M. And if that's the case, Blazers would have more flexibility

I still don't believe there would be enough payoff in taking a bad contract for a mediocre player to justify it though

and yeah, I know all it takes is one team to bust that theory open, but I just don't see big bids coming in for either player

ORL, DET, IND and SAS.....those are the teams that could muck it up.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I’m not sure what it would take, but getting Collins from Atlanta would help us on the floor and help them financially

 

[illmatic99]

if the Blazers are for sale, I'm not sure the Vulcans would agree to Blazers being a tax team

here's the thing though: I don't believe Nurkic can get more than 12M/year on the open free agent market; and I don't believe Simons can get 20M?year. If Cronin doesn't repeat Olshey's habit of bidding against himself, I think Portland could re-sign both for a lot closer to a combined 30M than 40-45M. And if that's the case, Blazers would have more flexibility

I still don't believe there would be enough payoff in taking a bad contract for a mediocre player to justify it though

and yeah, I know all it takes is one team to bust that theory open, but I just don't see big bids coming in for either player

i don't think they care one bit about being a tax team in the short term when they're expecting a $3 billion valuation in a upcoming sale. the tax payments will be peanuts in comparison. Cronin specifically noted that there was a mandate to get out of the tax this past year because he didn't want to be a repeater this upcoming one.

 

[wizenheimer]

i don't think they care one bit about being a tax team in the short term when they're expecting a $3 billion valuation in a upcoming sale. the tax payments will be peanuts in comparison. Cronin specifically noted that there was a mandate to get out of the tax this past year because he didn't want to be a repeater this upcoming one.

you're probably right; although betting on this particular group of Vulcans for logic might be a bad bet

but I don't see any good payoff for Portland being a dumping ground for a bad contact(s). If it's for a decent player who happens to have a problematic salary for another team, that's different

you mentioned Collins from Atlanta. I'm thinking that's probably a bridge too far. But if the Hawks are a bit desperate, the Blazers might take a swing at #36 for Bogdanovic + 16, then 16 + Bledsoe for Grant. Trouble with that is that the Blazers would almost certainly have to add that Milwaukee pick to both trades because otherwise, both trades are probably a bridge too far for the other teams. This is when the obligation on the Portland's first round picks from that Nance trade is just killing the Blazers

 

[illmatic99]

you mentioned Collins from Atlanta. I'm thinking that's probably a bridge too far. But if the Hawks are a bit desperate, the Blazers might take a swing at #36 for Bogdanovic + 16, then 16 + Bledsoe for Grant. Trouble with that is that the Blazers would almost certainly have to add that Milwaukee pick to both trades because otherwise, both trades are probably a bridge too far for the other teams. This is when the obligation on the Portland's first round picks from that Nance trade is just killing the Blazers

Collins + 16 in a salary dump for Keon + Milwaukee 23 pick would be amazing. Saves ATL a bunch of $ off their cap now and potential future tax $ after extensions kick in.

I've also brought up Gordon + 21 in a dump too.

 

[damianlillard]

Hey guys! Help me out here. Can we take grant with our trade exception? Next year his contract is worth more than the exception itself. Does he fit somehow or no?

 

[illmatic99]

Hey guys! Help me out here. Can we take grant with our trade exception? Next year his contract is worth more than the exception itself. Does he fit somehow or no?

his 22-23 number is 20,955,000. which fits almost perfectly into our TPE.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

if the Blazers are for sale, I'm not sure the Vulcans would agree to Blazers being a tax team

here's the thing though: I don't believe Nurkic can get more than 12M/year on the open free agent market; and I don't believe Simons can get 20M?year. If Cronin doesn't repeat Olshey's habit of bidding against himself, I think Portland could re-sign both for a lot closer to a combined 30M than 40-45M. And if that's the case, Blazers would have more flexibility

I still don't believe there would be enough payoff in taking a bad contract for a mediocre player to justify it though

and yeah, I know all it takes is one team to bust that theory open, but I just don't see big bids coming in for either player

ORL, DET, IND and SAS.....those are the teams that could muck it up.

Yeah, I look at this the other way, why would Orland, Detroit or Indy not max Simons? Either we get stuck with a huge contract or they get a 22 year old super efficient 3pt shooting dunk contest winning most improved player candidate for free. With a cap spike coming on a new TV deal and few bad contracts on those teams the small 25% Simons max is not harmful to those franchises.

Nurk I could see being capped at closer to a $10 million MLE, he is older with little upside, injury prone, and at a position that is worth less every season.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

you're probably right; although betting on this particular group of Vulcans for logic might be a bad bet

but I don't see any good payoff for Portland being a dumping ground for a bad contact(s). If it's for a decent player who happens to have a problematic salary for another team, that's different

you mentioned Collins from Atlanta. I'm thinking that's probably a bridge too far. But if the Hawks are a bit desperate, the Blazers might take a swing at #36 for Bogdanovic + 16, then 16 + Bledsoe for Grant. Trouble with that is that the Blazers would almost certainly have to add that Milwaukee pick to both trades because otherwise, both trades are probably a bridge too far for the other teams. This is when the obligation on the Portland's first round picks from that Nance trade is just killing the Blazers

The Chicago obligations may be killing or savings the Blazers.

If you believe the Blazers are an average starting veteran or two away from contending then yes the restrictions might be stopping the team from contending.

If you believe like me the Blazers are extremely far away from having a contending roster, then its great there are these restrictions preventing the Blazers from trading away even more of the future in a doomed to fail attempt to win now.

 

[HansenYang]

Collins + 16 in a salary dump for Keon + Milwaukee 23 pick would be amazing. Saves ATL a bunch of $ off their cap now and potential future tax $ after extensions kick in.

I've also brought up Gordon + 21 in a dump too.

We can't do Collins in a salary dump... He makes more than our TPE.

Gordon is possible, but Denver will be looking to trade Barton first.

 

[illmatic99]

We can't do Collins in a salary dump... He makes more than our TPE.

Gordon is possible, but Denver will be looking to trade Barton first.

bledsoe would have to be included in a deal for Collins, but that would still save ATL a lot of long term $.

 

[TBpup]

We can't do Collins in a salary dump... He makes more than our TPE.

Gordon is possible, but Denver will be looking to trade Barton first.

Semi salary dump. EBEC for Collins works.

 

[illmatic99]

Can this work?

Bledsoe + 7 + for OG.
TPE + MIL pick + Keon + 36 for Grant.

Dame/Ant/OG/Grant/Nurk

with Nas/Hart/MLE fillers off the bench.

 

[wizenheimer]

ORL, DET, IND and SAS.....those are the teams that could muck it up.

Orlando - they are committed to Wendall Carter as their starting C, and he's arguably already better than Nurkic. So they wouldn't be making a big offer to Nurk. At guard, they have Cole Anthony, Jalen Suggs, Terrence Ross, Markelle Fultz, and RJ Hampton all under contract next season. They also have Gary Harris as a free agent they may be interested in re-signing. I don't see them as much of a threat to offer Simons a 20+ million/year deal

Detroit - they don't have any cap-space unless they renounce the rights Bagley, and they won't be doing that. Even if they re-sign him quickly for 15M, the most space they'll have is in the 10-20M range, and 20M in unlikely. They have Stewart and Olynyk at C and both are more mobile than Nurkic. And they have Cade Cunnigham, Killian Hayes, Cory Joseph, and Hamidou Diallo at guard

Indiana - looks like the most cap-space they'll have would be in the 15-20M range. At guard, they already have Brogdon, Buddy Hield, Tyrese Haliburton, TJ McConnell, & Chris Duarte. There's no way they'll be using their limited cap-space on Simons. And they already traded away a better C than Nurkic in Sabonis to clear the way for Turner to be their starter. And they may have already lined up a substantial offer to Jalen Smith. They are unlikley to make a 15M/year offer to Nurkic to be their backup C

San Antonio - with their 3 first round picks and the cap-hold for Walker, the Spurs might have 15M in space, maybe 20M. They have Poeltl at C who is arguably better than Nurkic.; and they have Zach. At guard they have all-star Murray, Keldon Johnson, Lonnie walker, Josh Richardson, Joshua Primo, and Devin Vassell

Nurkic is a traditional C at the time when the NBA is abandoning traditional C's and their vulnerability in the PnR. They have almost hit the dime-a-dozen value. Nurkic also has a very extensive and worrisome injury history. A team would have to want an often-injured C as their starting C and I can't see any of the teams with cap-space going for Nurk in that role. Especially not for 15M/year

Simons has lots of hype among Blazer fans but I question how far that hype has penetrated into NBA front offices. I don't believe a 25 game sample size in a 4th season player on a crappy team is going to generate any giant contract offers.

I don't believe either of Portland's free agents will generate the 2022 version of the Crabbe offer sheet. There are too many flaws in the games of the pair. Obviously, as I said, all it would take is one GM to blow my theory out of the water. But I think the Blazers need to really do a good jobe of assigning value here. They've seen Nurkic in street clothes too often, and they have lived thru overpaying CJ so they have templates for what not to do