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The Blazers trade #7 for?

  • Multiple picks - keep one, trade one for Grant

  • Multiple picks - keep one, trade one for Collins

  • Down to #11 and get Randle

  • Down to #17 and get Wood

  • Include #7 with Nurk (S&T) for Ayton

  • OG Anunoby

  • Plus other assets to move up

  • Other - please specify

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WesleyMatthews said:
His offensive production is pretty average at the college level. How do you think it will be next year at the much more difficult NBA level?

Long term I agree with you. The kid is 19 and has the tools to be a star.

But my comment was in regards to next season+. He's likely going to be a very minus offensive player. Your kidding yourself if you think he has a high chance at 20 to make the kind of impact Dame and Cronin want right away. Look how many years it took an older Kawhi to contribute.

He's a kid. Dame wants grown men to help him now.

We can get excited about his potential and possibilities. I wish that was the future this franchise was focused on. Instead we're doing this doomed stupid attempt to contend now.
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It seems like this argument is going around in circles. Almost everyone agrees that a rookie will not be a difference-maker in year one. And almost everyone agrees that if a veteran "difference maker" is available at #7 then we should trade it. However, almost everyone also believes that if you can't get a really good player in a trade for the pick, then it is stupid to trade a lottery pick that could land us a future potential star.

You seem to base everything on what you think Dame wants. We don't really know exactly what is acceptable to him. He might be fine with a player who we all think is solid but not great, (Grant) and a rookie who has a lot of potential in the future...if that is all that is available. So until we know if a star (or close to a star) is even available for the pick, it seems like 3 weeks before the draft we should be talking about players who have the potential to be special.
 
#7 to the Spurs for #9/#20.

#9 to the Raptors for OGA.
#20 Nikola Jovic
Bucks 2025 for Grant.

Not quite contender material (not sure there is a move that accomplishes that), but much more length, production and size up front. Jovic has a combination of skills not overly prevalent on the current roster.
Can we add Mo Bamba to that list? Nurk as the only center is fools gold. Between him and Nurk, that is good for about one full season.
 
TBpup said:
#7 to the Spurs for #9/#20.

#9 to the Raptors for OGA.
#20 Nikola Jovic
Bucks 2025 for Grant.

Not quite contender material (not sure there is a move that accomplishes that), but much more length, production and size up front. Jovic has a combination of skills not overly prevalent on the current roster.
Can we add Mo Bamba to that list? Nurk as the only center is fools gold. Between him and Nurk, that is good for about one full season.
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Would you trade the 20th pick in the draft to move up from 9 to 7?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Would you trade the 20th pick in the draft to move up from 9 to 7?
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I would trade the 25th pick if I was San Antonio. I would do it because there now seems to be a consensus group that makes up the top 7 with Chet, Jabari, Paolo, Ivey, Daniels, Sharpe and Murray... there seems to be a perceived dropoff after that. So moving up the two spots could be worth one of their two late first rounders and obviously they should try and make it the later of the two.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Can Randle defend. Defense should be #1 priority.
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His first year with the Knicks he was an excellent defender....then next season with Thibs he got disengaged in playing defense and became more ISO oriented and not a great teammate according to rumors....he needs to get out of there....Thibs did the same thing to Jimmy Butler...he wears on guys.
 
TBpup said:
#7 to the Spurs for #9/#20.

#9 to the Raptors for OGA.
#20 Nikola Jovic
Bucks 2025 for Grant.

Not quite contender material (not sure there is a move that accomplishes that), but much more length, production and size up front. Jovic has a combination of skills not overly prevalent on the current roster.
Can we add Mo Bamba to that list? Nurk as the only center is fools gold. Between him and Nurk, that is good for about one full season.
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Hey that's pretty good. Wouldn't we need to sweeten that some though for SA?
 
BBert said:
Hey that's pretty good. Wouldn't we need to sweeten that some though for SA?
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blazerkor said:
I think SA would give up the 25th pick to move up from 9th to 7th.
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As @blazerkor said, maybe instead of the #20, it's the #25. Spurs have 3 1st round picks and doubt they want to use all 3 of those to add to their roster. So at #25, perhaps Koloko or Barlow?
 
Anyone get the feeling Portland has no interest in letting Nurk walk or trading him. Isn’t he one of Dame’s guy?
 
LayneStaley said:
Anyone get the feeling Portland has no interest in letting Nurk walk or trading him. Isn’t he one of Dame’s guy?
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I do get the feeling that the team has no interest in Nurk going anywhere but I'm pretty sure CJ leaving can obliterate this notion of Dame having his guys or some shit. Dame is here to win, I don't think he cares about who it's with as long as they're going to go about it in a way he can respect and Dame seems like he can give respect to just about anyone who will give him respect in return.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I think that. I’m not 100% sure, but I believe Dame is a loud voice in personnel moves right now
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So the Blazers are trying to follow the LeBron model of resigning overpaid players or trading all their youth for mediocre veterans to appease their star.

Then the star gets frustrated and leaves because there's no talent and no assets.

It amazes me how time and again NBA franchises let star players or coaches dictate personnel moves when it never works out well.

Tim Duncan won more games and titles than any star; we never heard him tell the franchise what players to go sign or trade for.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
So the Blazers are trying to follow the LeBron model of resigning overpaid players or trading all their youth for mediocre veterans to appease their star.

Then the star gets frustrated and leaves because there's no talent and no assets.

It amazes me how time and again NBA franchises let star players or coaches dictate personnel moves when it never works out well.

Tim Duncan won more games and titles than any star; we never heard him tell the franchise what players to go sign or trade for.
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are you trying to set a record for speculative assumptions in one post?

MM may have a great source and be spot-on in his guesses. Or, his source may be not so good and the guesses miss by a mile.
 
If we could move the #7 for multiple parts that increased our frountcourt talent, I'd be happy. I don't see any player at #7 that is getting us a title in Dame's timeline.

Something where he get at least a couple of:
  • OG/Collins/Grant/Bamba/Jalen Smith
  • A lengthy young forward to build the 'next' round of talent - Eason/Jovic/Williams/Barlow/etc

The theme here is lengthy athleticism that isn't breaking the bank....because I don't see anyone that would be that expensive being that much of a difference maker. Ayton might be that, but that is a whole other, quite complicated conversation.
 
LayneStaley said:
Anyone get the feeling Portland has no interest in letting Nurk walk or trading him. Isn’t he one of Dame’s guy?
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My question is does Nurk want to be traded? He has to sign off on it too. Both the salary and the team he goes to.
More importantly how offended will he get when they go to him with the various trade scenarios, essentially telling him...

"even though we said we wanted to sign you last season when we asked you to sit out during the tank job, we changed our mind and want someone we think is better."

And what happens if the proposed sign and trade falls through? Is Nurk the type of guy who will sulk about being slighted? Or will that trust between him, his agent, and the Blazers be gone forever? IMO the only way it would work is if the sign and trade initiates from the player first.

The bottom line is I think you guys might be wasting your time with the sign and trade scenarios.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
My question is does Nurk want to be traded? He has to sign off on it too. Both the salary and the team he goes to.
More importantly how offended will he get when they go to him with the various trade scenarios, essentially telling him...

"even though we said we wanted to sign you last season when we asked you to sit out during the tank job, we changed our mind and want someone we think is better."

And what happens if the proposed sign and trade falls through? Is Nurk the type of guy who will sulk about being slighted? Or will that trust between him, his agent, and the Blazers be gone forever? IMO the only way it would work is if the sign and trade initiates from the player first.

The bottom line is I think you guys might be wasting your time with the sign and trade scenarios.
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Yeah… didn’t Sac explore a S&T w/o telling Bog, it pissed him off and signed on his own.
 
Conversations happen. Bogdanovic not being informed as it moved along — FUBAR. Just dumber than dirt. With Nurkic, expect that wouldn’t happen, and Lillard would know, too. As to an Ayton swap for Nurkic-plus … it’s good for both sides. Details are all that matter, IMHO. With that said, I’d be shocked if it happened.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
My question is does Nurk want to be traded? He has to sign off on it too. Both the salary and the team he goes to.
More importantly how offended will he get when they go to him with the various trade scenarios, essentially telling him...

"even though we said we wanted to sign you last season when we asked you to sit out during the tank job, we changed our mind and want someone we think is better."

And what happens if the proposed sign and trade falls through? Is Nurk the type of guy who will sulk about being slighted? Or will that trust between him, his agent, and the Blazers be gone forever? IMO the only way it would work is if the sign and trade initiates from the player first.

The bottom line is I think you guys might be wasting your time with the sign and trade scenarios.
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Yeah I agree with this.

The Blazers shouldn't initiate exploring sign and trades with Nurk.

Now if first the Blazers acquire a more valuable player, or if there is a trade proposal that gets the Blazers a more valuable player sure go ahead and consider it. But the team shouldn't shop those, or present a bunch of these possibilities to Nurk.
 
TBpup said:
If we could move the #7 for multiple parts that increased our frountcourt talent, I'd be happy. I don't see any player at #7 that is getting us a title in Dame's timeline.

Something where he get at least a couple of:
  • OG/Collins/Grant/Bamba/Jalen Smith
  • A lengthy young forward to build the 'next' round of talent - Eason/Jovic/Williams/Barlow/etc

The theme here is lengthy athleticism that isn't breaking the bank....because I don't see anyone that would be that expensive being that much of a difference maker. Ayton might be that, but that is a whole other, quite complicated conversation.
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Right now, I like trading down to #13 and #15 for Eason and Sochan, and trading Bledsoe + Winslow + MIL 1st for Grant. I would want a C at #36, but if the draft process reveals Nzosa Yannick will go undrafted or will be available in the #50s, I’d pick the BPA at #36 and draft Nzosa with the second 2nd or sign him as undrafted.

That would be a nice little rotation at forward. Grant, Sochan, and Eason are all lanky defenders at forward, and Nassir is a great point of attack defender. Watford and Brown are still on the roster as well which takes care of your forward rotation and ensures Hart plays most of his minutes at SG.

They would be set at guard as well, with Dame/Ant plays PG and Ant/Hart play SG. Let’s see what happens to Keon with a full year of development at PG.

Re-sign Nurkic. Sign Jalen Johnson with MLE.
We would still have the TPE, which I would probably try to absorb a contract for a 2023 1st so we can get into next year’s draft. But the framework of this lineup—I can be satisfied with:

Dame/Simons/Keon
Simons/Hart/Keon
Grant/Little/Eason
Sochan/Eason/Watford/Brown III
Nurkic/Johnson/(Yannick or C at #36)
(not including whoever we get for the TPE)

In a competitive WC, I think we could still make the 2nd round. But we need to address the forward situation now. After a disastrous trade deadline, landing Grant/Sochan/Eason would still be a decent outcome.
 
BankTeller said:
Right now, I like trading down to #13 and #15 for Eason and Sochan, and trading Bledsoe + Winslow + MIL 1st for Grant. I would want a C at #36, but if the draft process reveals Nzosa Yannick will go undrafted or will be available in the #50s, I’d pick the BPA at #36 and draft Nzosa with the second 2nd or sign him as undrafted.

That would be a nice little rotation at forward. Grant, Sochan, and Eason are all lanky defenders at forward, and Nassir is a great point of attack defender. Watford and Brown are still on the roster as well which takes care of your forward rotation and ensures Hart plays most of his minutes at SG.

They would be set at guard as well, with Dame/Ant plays PG and Ant/Hart play SG. Let’s see what happens to Keon with a full year of development at PG.

Re-sign Nurkic. Sign Jalen Johnson with MLE.
We would still have the TPE, which I would probably try to absorb a contract for a 2023 1st so we can get into next year’s draft. But the framework of this lineup—I can be satisfied with:

Dame/Simons/Keon
Simons/Hart/Keon
Grant/Little/Eason
Sochan/Eason/Watford/Brown III
Nurkic/Johnson/(Yannick or C at #36)
(not including whoever we get for the TPE)

In a competitive WC, I think we could still make the 2nd round. But we need to address the forward situation now. After a disastrous trade deadline, landing Grant/Sochan/Eason would still be a decent outcome.
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I like all of that for the long-term future of the Blazers.....but doubt Dame likes that for the immediate future of the Blazers. Our PF position would be the Diaper Dandies.
 
Murray may very well drop to us at 7, but if the Blazers feel strongly about him, they should try using the 2nds or the Bucks pick to move up to take him before he's gone.

Let's hope Daniels or Duren sneaks into the top 6.
 
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