Blazers trade the #7 pick for.....? (2 Viewers)

[Scalma]

More from Fischer boy:
“There’s been word going around a lot of team executives since March or so about the fact that maybe OG Anunoby is unhappy in Toronto and maybe that he wants out.”

“There’s enough information out there, in and around the league that there’s some type of friction about his role in Toronto this season and moving forward.”

“Regardless of whether the Raptors have been interested in moving him or what have you, Portland has been repeatedly characterized to me as the team that is very much trying to go make inroads to add OG Anunoby through their trade exception to go pair him with Damian Lillard.”

“For now, I just felt like it was something that was being discussed enough by people around the league. The Portland and Utah overtures is very real and that is what I had and that’s how it’s taken off today.”

 

[Predator]

Marks is asked 'One Bold Prediction'. He says that someone will trade up to #3 and take Banchero. Someone does ask him to name the team, so he says, he thinks it will be Portland.

If this somehow happened, this would be the smartest thing the Blazers front office has done in a long, long time. Probably since picking Lillard.

How Banchero isn’t the clear #1 pick boggles me gibblets.

Would be a home run to get him at #3.

He has the chance to become SPECIAL. And that’s what we need whether Dame likes it or not.

If only we could keep Hart and give them Simons.

 

[TBpup]

Speculation is it might take Ant +7 for #3. Others think taking on Wall's contract might get it done. Who knows. (...and would hate to lose Ant)
What we do know, is this team needs more talent. If you can get Banchero at #3 and then improve the SF position, this team gets better in a hurry.

 

[Strenuus]

Speculation is it might take Ant +7 for #3. Others think taking on Wall's contract might get it done. Who knows. (...and would hate to lose Ant)
What we do know, is this team needs more talent. If you can get Banchero at #3 and then improve the SF position, this team gets better in a hurry.

Anyone tell me if we lose all our flexibility if we took on walls contract? Cause the ignorant, irrational me thinks that's stupid AF.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Speculation is it might take Ant +7 for #3. Others think taking on Wall's contract might get it done. Who knows. (...and would hate to lose Ant)
What we do know, is this team needs more talent. If you can get Banchero at #3 and then improve the SF position, this team gets better in a hurry.

Ant can't be traded for 2022 draft picks as he's a free agent.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Ant can't be traded for 2022 draft picks as he's a free agent.

He could however be signed and traded to a team of his choice for a player drafted in 22 by that team though….right?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Anyone tell me if we lose all our flexibility if we took on walls contract? Cause the ignorant, irrational me thinks that's stupid AF.

Wall is an expiring contract.

We don't have the space to just take it on outright. But if we let Nurk and/or Simons walk, maybe we could do something such as trade it for Hart or a similar type of move.

I can't imagine the Rockets give up enough value to the Blazers to where that cost would make sense from the Blazers end.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

He could however be signed and traded to a team of his choice for a player drafted in 22 by that team though….right?

In theory maybe, but its never happened in the history of the NBA.

First the teams would have to make those draft picks first. Any one of the new team, Ant, or the Blazers could stop the transaction from going through after the draft though.

Lets say the Blazers and Houston agree to pursue this framework and make those picks for each other. Well then Ant can go sign a max contract with Detroit. Boom the deal is dead.

Why would Ant agree to anything less than a max contract in such scenario? He'd have all the leverage to force Houston to grossly overpay his contract. Why would the Blazers risk picking a player at #7 for Houston if that deal has a high chance of falling apart? They would be stuck with a player they didn't want to pick, or potential other trade partners now don't want this player vs whom they would've traded for at #7.

We've never seen this type of transaction done in the history of the NBA, and for good reason.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Speculation is it might take Ant +7 for #3. Others think taking on Wall's contract might get it done. Who knows. (...and would hate to lose Ant)
What we do know, is this team needs more talent. If you can get Banchero at #3 and then improve the SF position, this team gets better in a hurry.

Living in this God forsaken hell that is the Houston area, I can tell you that fans here don’t want a guard. With KPJ and Green, they feel they are set. Getting to 3 could be as easy as 7, mil 25, Nas and taking Wall’s contract. If Banchero or Smith are there at 3 and they think those guys are that price better than who we can get at 7 then yay

 

[SharpesTriumph]

He could however be signed and traded to a team of his choice for a player drafted in 22 by that team though….right?

So in other words, the Blazers and Houston have to just make the draft decisions they believe are best and that they may have to keep. If later on during the Ant contract negotiations a sign and trade could be explored and if so then the teams could discuss a 2022 draftee rights being included. But none of those types of trades can be effectively planned at the draft.

 

[Scalma]

This was probably posted and I missed it, but interesting. This dork was adamant that Billups was their primary target as coach so maybe he’s right again.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Speculation is it might take Ant +7 for #3. Others think taking on Wall's contract might get it done. Who knows. (...and would hate to lose Ant)
What we do know, is this team needs more talent.

Living in this God forsaken hell that is the Houston area, I can tell you that fans here don’t want a guard. With KPJ and Green, they feel they are set. Getting to 3 could be as easy as 7, mil 25, Nas and taking Wall’s contract. If Banchero or Smith are there at 3 and they think those guys are that price better than who we can get at 7 then yay

Taking Wall's contract is by no means easy.

 

[RR7]

In order to bring on Wall, we would have to send out $35,448,672. That's on this years salary. Bledsoe is 18.125, so we still need 17,323,672. Hart is another 12. So we'd still need 5, 323,672. Winslow and Didi would get us to that amount. So 7, hart,Winslow, didi andilwaukee 25 for 3 and wall? Yikes.

 

[illmatic99]

 

[SharpesTriumph]

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What's the benefit for the Rockets?

They would be much better off leaving us out of this, keeping their #3 pick, and get that 2027 Lakers pick for Wall.

Edit; So your saying Rockets effectively trade with us the #3 for #7 #36 2025 Milwaukee first and Keon? I guess its not horrible for them. I still think the consensus would be this is lopsided against Houston.

 

[blazerfan11]

If this somehow happened, this would be the smartest thing the Blazers front office has done in a long, long time. Probably since picking Lillard.

How Banchero isn’t the clear #1 pick boggles me gibblets.

Would be a home run to get him at #3.

He has the chance to become SPECIAL. And that’s what we need whether Dame likes it or not.

If only we could keep Hart and give them Simons.

"How Banchero isn’t the clear #1 pick boggles me gibblets."

It's called "3 and D". Right now Banchero is neither of those.

All of the other top candidates have one or both as a skillset.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

Speculation is it might take Ant +7 for #3. Others think taking on Wall's contract might get it done. Who knows. (...and would hate to lose Ant)
What we do know, is this team needs more talent. If you can get Banchero at #3 and then improve the SF position, this team gets better in a hurry.

After next season, Wall is gone from Houston and Gordon has a non-guaranteed contract. Wood is a free agent. That's their summer of shopping to build around Jalen Green. If Banchero is at #3, he doesn't fit well for defensive purposes with Wood (so Wood on the block). Simons and #7 and Mil '25, instead (assuming Simons would want that during free agency). "Easier" and quicker is Bledsoe (1 year of EBEC) + Hart +7 + Mil '25 + filler + sweetener for #3 + Wall.

In order to bring on Wall, we would have to send out $35,448,672. That's on this years salary. Bledsoe is 18.125, so we still need 17,323,672. Hart is another 12. So we'd still need 5, 323,672. Winslow and Didi would get us to that amount. So 7, hart,Winslow, didi andilwaukee 25 for 3 and wall? Yikes.

One year of Wall's contract. Hart + MIL '25. 7 for 3. Savings this year for HOU. Easier pieces to move again. This is actually doable for both sides.

 

[blazerfan11]

If this somehow happened, this would be the smartest thing the Blazers front office has done in a long, long time. Probably since picking Lillard.

How Banchero isn’t the clear #1 pick boggles me gibblets.

Would be a home run to get him at #3.

He has the chance to become SPECIAL. And that’s what we need whether Dame likes it or not.

If only we could keep Hart and give them Simons.

Yeah, why would we want to pair Simons with Banchero for the next 10 years.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

Yeah, why would we want to pair Simons with Banchero for the next 10 years.

And then, even worse, sign and trade Nurkic + a future pick for OG Anunoby. Dame, Simons, OG, Banchero. Horrible.

 

[Blazinaway]

or they keep the pick so new ownership has max flexibility - I lean this way

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

 

[Predator]

"How Banchero isn’t the clear #1 pick boggles me gibblets."

It's called "3 and D". Right now Banchero is neither of those.

All of the other top candidates have one or both as a skillset.

Yeah, he’s also the most NBA ready.
His defense isn’t that bad actually. It’s the fact that he can be a little hit or miss effort wise on that side. (hello, Mathurin). Additionally, that may have to do with his conditioning/sweating issue.
And he shot 50%+ from 3 in the ncaa tournament. He can shoot the ball.

oh and none of the others are even in the same galaxy as him offensively.

there is a reason most ppl think he has the best chance at being a superstar.

but yes, he has a questionable defensive motor. Like many other top prospects who had massive offensive loads to carry.

 

[Predator]

And then, even worse, sign and trade Nurkic + a future pick for OG Anunoby. Dame, Simons, OG, Banchero. Horrible.

Dame and Simons would get cooked in the backcourt.

I would prefer: Dame / Hart / OG / Banchero in that scenario.

I like Dame and Simons, but not together. Shrug.

 

[Predator]

Doesn’t matter anyway as I believe Hart would have to be included for salary matching purposes.

But I’ve said multiple times Ant / Dame isn’t a winning combo … unless one of them (Ant) gets much, much better defensively FAST.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Anyone get the feeling Portland has no interest in letting Nurk walk or trading him. Isn’t he one of Dame’s guy?

Yes, I don't think Nurk is going anywhere. I think in a vacuum they'd trade Nurk and some picks for Ayton, but I believe we'd have to give up a lot of our exceptions and expirings to get it done.

So if Ayton isn't going to be a VERY significant improvement over Nurk you're probably better off trading for forwards.

 

[blazerkor]

Doesn’t matter anyway as I believe Hart would have to be included for salary matching purposes.

But I’ve said multiple times Ant / Dame isn’t a winning combo … unless one of them (Ant) gets much, much better defensively FAST.

I think given the last six seasons before this one, all of us are skeptical that two lead guards who are small and haven't shown great defense are a long term solution but I think we'll have to watch it play out and hopefully we'll be wrong.

 

[blazerfan11]

Dame and Simons would get cooked in the backcourt.

I would prefer: Dame / Hart / OG / Banchero in that scenario.

I like Dame and Simons, but not together. Shrug.

Hart is good on defense, but Simons is better on offense, especially in the half court (like the playoffs). Hart isn't clearly better overall. Dame and Simons need a season together to see how it works. Simons is not CJ Mcdribble on either end of the floor.

 

[BankTeller]

#7 and #36 for #9, #20, and #25 still sounds good to me.

Smith
Holmgren
Banchero
Ivey
Murray
Daniels
Griffin
Mathurin
Sharpe
Sochan

That’s 10 names where, outside of Griffin, I’d be fine picking between one of the last two guys out of that bunch. I don’t mind grabbing the slipping guy. I’m not a huge Murray fan, but I wouldn’t mind picking him between him and Griffin if they both slipped to #9. Unless there’s a clear favorite player that the front office has, trade down and get the extra 1sts. That way, you have 4 1sts to retool with.

At that point, I’d draft two guys and trade two 1sts.

Dieng
Jovic
Eason
Duren
Barlow

Those are all high upside guys I’d be interested in with a second 1st. The list may expand, which is fine. I just prefer a forward or big with length.

You can trade #57, the last of the 3 2022 1sts, and the MIL 1st in combination with the TPE and Bledsoe to get better at the starting forward spots.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

Dame and Simons would get cooked in the backcourt.
I would prefer: Dame / Hart / OG / Banchero in that scenario.
I like Dame and Simons, but not together. Shrug.

I understand what you are saying. Think of it this way. Dame and Simons are on the court for 16 minutes. Hart plays beside each of them for 16 minutes.
That's 32 for each. Of course, Dame will want more. He likes 36. 30 for each of Simons and Hart. Is there a Blazers guard besides Dame that should see the court instead of Hart or Simons? No.
15-16 minutes of Dame and Simons together. Otherwise, the Blazers play Hart at the 3 for minutes, acquire or play a lesser guard for back-up minutes, and I'm not a fan of that.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

Sign and trade Simons? Okay. Sign Simons and trade him in a year? Okay. Things don't work out well for the team this year?
Keep Simons and the younger ones. Trade Dame after he shows that he's completely healthy with tread on the tire? Okay.
But I don't understand how Simons and Dame aren't on the court together for 15-16 minutes on the same team, with Hart in hand, and needs at forward.