Blazers trade the #7 pick for.....? (1 Viewer)

[TBpup]

Would much rather trade 7 and change for the rights to Paolo than to trade it for an established vet who has a much lower ceiling.

Would love to get someone of his talent, although he carries that Duke 'curse' with him.

Since we are more than 1 player away, is it worth it to trade our #7 pick + assets to get him, or better to trade the #7 for potentially a player (say Collins) and get an additional asset?

 

[Storyteller2]

Honestly, Atlanta and Toronto should just trade OG for Collins. Toronto can have Collins play a stretch 5 (he's better defensively as a run protector anyway), and Atlanta can run out an OG/Hunter/Capela frontcourt.

Or it's a 4 team deal.

Utah sends Gobert to Atlanta
Atlanta sends Collins to Utah and Capella to Toronto
Toronto sends Anunoby to Portland
Portland sends #7 to Utah

Other (smaller salary) players and picks would probably be included, but that's the basic framework.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Or it's a 4 team deal.

Utah sends Gobert to Atlanta
Atlanta sends Collins to Utah and Capella to Toronto
Toronto sends Anunoby to Portland
Portland sends #7 to Utah

Other (smaller salary) players and picks would probably be included, but that's the basic framework.

You think Utah would rather have the 7 than OG to complement Mitchell and Collins?

 

[Natebishop3]

You think Utah would rather have the 7 than OG to complement Mitchell and Collins?

Also..... 4 team trades almost never ever happen.

 

[illmatic99]

Or it's a 4 team deal.

Utah sends Gobert to Atlanta
Atlanta sends Collins to Utah and Capella to Toronto
Toronto sends Anunoby to Portland
Portland sends #7 to Utah

Other (smaller salary) players and picks would probably be included, but that's the basic framework.

this is a similar variation to what i posted here a few days ago that was heavily critiqued.

This gives ATL the immediate capspace they might want to go after someone like Ayton, while picking up Trent.

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[PtldPlatypus]

Also..... 4 team trades almost never ever happen.

True enough. The 3 team version that doesn't involve us at all would make a lot of sense though.

 

[Storyteller2]

You think Utah would rather have the 7 than OG to complement Mitchell and Collins?

If Ainge is really running the show, they just might. He seems to really value draft picks and cap relief, which is what this deal gives them.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

this is a similar variation to what i posted here a few days ago that was heavily critiqued.

Yeah... your version has Toronto giving up two wings for Gobert; @Storyteller2's has them keeping Trent and adding Capela instead. That makes a lot more sense for them.

Yours also had Atlanta getting smaller and taking Bledsoe's worthless deal; he has them getting Gobert, which I think they'd be much more interested in.

 

[illmatic99]

Yeah... your version has Toronto giving up two wings for Gobert; @Storyteller2's has them keeping Trent and adding Capela instead. That makes a lot more sense for them.

My idea for TOR was also based on a rumor. I dunno if TOR would give up OG for Capela, and Collins doesn't make much sense for them while they're trying to open up space for Barnes/Siakam.

Regardless, there is something brewing between these four teams.

Too much noise to ignore.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If Ainge is really running the show, they just might. He seems to really value draft picks and cap relief, which is what this deal gives them.

Perhaps... but if they want to compete, having 3 top guys all from the same draft class is a great foundation.

I mean, they're certainly not Wade/Lebron/Bosh, but it's a pretty damn solid big 3 (assuming Mitchell is actually good enough to be the best player on a contender).

 

[PtldPlatypus]

My idea for TOR was also based on a rumor. I dunno if TOR would give up OG for Capela, and Collins doesn't make much sense for them while they're trying to open up space for Barnes/Siakam.

Regardless, there is something brewing between these four teams.

Too much noise to ignore.

Collins only makes sense if they think he can play 5 in their lineup.

Capela is perfect for them, IMO.

 

[Pinwheel1]

If Ainge is really running the show, they just might. He seems to really value draft picks and cap relief, which is what this deal gives them.

They get rid of Gobert's contract and they get Collins and Number #7?
That helps out a division rival way too much IMO. I would be pissed

 

[wizenheimer]

if John Collins isn't worth the 7 pick than Anunoby isn't either

 

[inconceivable]

Steph, Dame
Klay, Ant
Dray, Nurk
Wigs, Little
OPJ, Watford

Poole, Ingles/Winslow
Looney, Greg Brown
GP2, Hart

If we can somehow acquire two of Collins, OG, Dort, Grant using our picks and trades, upgrading the roster, when healthy, contenders?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Yes, if there's any way to trade for Paolo, it's an imperative. I just don't see it happening.

Would love to get someone of his talent, although he carries that Duke 'curse' with him.

Since we are more than 1 player away, is it worth it to trade our #7 pick + assets to get him, or better to trade the #7 for potentially a player (say Collins) and get an additional asset?

I will take the best player in the deal rather than two good players 10 times out of 10.

It's why we should have traded for Barkley when we had the chance. The best chance we have is my having the players with the highest ceiling. Even is Paolo doesn't workout, his value on a rookie deal at his age is way more than John Collins + another good player. Could always trade him should a star become disgruntled.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Steph, Dame
Klay, Ant
Dray, Nurk
Wigs, Little
OPJ, Watford

Poole, Ingles/Winslow
Looney, Greg Brown
GP2, Hart

If we can somehow acquire two of Collins, OG, Dort, Grant using our picks and trades, upgrading the roster, when healthy, contenders?

Steph >> Dame
Klay >>>> Ant
Dray > Nurk
Wiggins>>> Little
OPJ > Watford

so…..

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Or we just ask them who they want us to take and we take them.

Nurkic is a free agent; so he can't be traded away at the draft.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Or we would have to inquire of Phoenix who they'd want at that spot and then say "yeah, even if the deal doesn't happen, we're good with this guy".

Yes, unlikely, but not impossible

Nurkic is a free agent; so he can't be traded away at the draft.

 

[A Lillard Bit More]

Nurkic is a free agent; so he can't be traded away at the draft.

We need a counter for how many times you’ve said this. Lol.

 

[Scalma]

Can it just be draft day so I don’t have to read any more trade proposals

 

[South East]

Can it just be draft day so I don’t have to read any more trade proposals

What makes you think they will stop??? It will just be different trades and signings.

If Portland actually picks someone at 7 there will be an endless # of trades for them in S&T’s.

 

[BonesJones]

How is Randle a terrible fit? A guy who can attack the rack like that with Dame seems like he would be a dream...

A guy who needs the ball in his hands to be effective and doesn't help the defense? That's a bad dream for me.

 

[Phatguysrule]

A guy who needs the ball in his hands to be effective and doesn't help the defense? That's a bad dream for me.

He would definitely help the defense and he will get plenty of touches off of the pick and roll.

That is, if Dame can get him to buy in. And I'm not worried about that any more. We need talent, and Randle is about the best talent available for us to add. Dame's job is to get him to buy in, IMO.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Nurkic is a free agent; so he can't be traded away at the draft.

Right. That's why we agree to the deal and draft who they want.

 

[perkinsfor3]

He would definitely help the defense and he will get plenty of touches off of the pick and roll.

That is, if Dame can get him to buy in. And I'm not worried about that any more. We need talent, and Randle is about the best talent available for us to add. Dame's job is to get him to buy in, IMO.

How exactly does Randle help a defense? Dude is atrocious on that end. And a shabby attitude too. No thanks.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

Here we go for my preference:

Trade #1

Spurs get to move up for their pick (Daniels?) while also dumping Langford to maximize cap space.
Pistons get 2 firsts for Grant & also open up a max FA spot.


Trade #2:
(in this scenario Bledsoe is really Grant & the #7 is really #9)

Sixers get a 3pt threat for their lineup for two assets (Thybulle & Reed).
Atlanta moves up from 16 to 9 to get their pick (Duren or possibly Sharpe?). They also get Grant & dump ~$11M in salary.
Portland gets Collins & #16

We could throw Didi & Watford into either one of these two trades to help open up roster spots.


Draft Picks:
#16 - Dieng (or Eason).
#36 - Procida (2-way contract)
#38 - Minott or Barlow (2-way contract)

Roster heading into FA:
PG: Dame, Simons (FA)
SG: Hart, Little, Johnson
SF: Thybulle, Ingles (FA), Dieng
PF: Collins, Winslow, GBIII
C: Nurk (FA), Reed

Would need to find a cheap C/PF (Portis or Jalen Smith as full MLE?) and a good veteran 3rd string PG (Cory Joseph?) in FA.

2-way: Procida & Minott

 

[Phatguysrule]

How exactly does Randle help a defense? Dude is atrocious on that end. And a shabby attitude too. No thanks.

Disagree. In a bad season he's got the 3rd best defensive rating and highest defensive win share on his team.

And he's our best chance to put an All Star next to Dame. And he would know he's not the #1 option here.

 

[TBpup]

How exactly does Randle help a defense? Dude is atrocious on that end. And a shabby attitude too. No thanks.

It's his attitude that influences his defense. When he is engaged, he can be quite a good defender. 4x in his career, he has had a defensive rating at 109 or lower. That said, there are plenty of times when he is not engaged, and that would make me nervous.

 

[Scalma]

I don’t think Randle fits what billups is looking for out of players mentality wise. Actually, I’d say he’s probably the exact opposite of what he’s looking for. Forget this whole idea of pairing Dame with another all star. That’s not part of Chauncey’s idea of how to build a winner imo.

OG is a Billups type, as is Dort. Haven’t watched enough of Collins to make a judgement on him.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I don’t think Randle fits what billups is looking for out of players mentality wise. Actually, I’d say he’s probably the exact opposite of what he’s looking for. Forget this whole idea of pairing Dame with another all star. That’s not part of Chauncey’s idea of how to build a winner imo.

OG is a Billups type, as is Dort. Haven’t watched enough of Collins to make a judgement on him.

I agree with all of this, but would Dame be considered a Chauncey type of player?