OT Boycotting the NFL

[MarAzul]

Not, the gibberish random.

No barf. They pissed people off, that was the intent, and as such it was the achievement. Regardless of what is said. If you wanted to achieve what is said, it would be logical to put forth an action plan to achieve that result.

 

[MarAzul]

I doubt you will

I will clarify your doubt. I see no question to answer.

 

[yankeesince59]

This is a question?

...ummm, yes it is...(for the second time post # 26)

...keep tap dancing.

 

[yankeesince59]

I will clarify your doubt. I see no question to answer.

...again, I doubt you will...the question has clearly been posed 3 different times now...and 3 times you have side stepped it...but hey, that's OK.


...and fyi...enjoy;

"According to the terms of their agreements, Germany was obliged to come to the aid of Japan if a third country attacked Japan, but not if Japan attacked a third country. Ribbentrop reminded Hitler of this, and pointed out that to declare war against the US would add to the number of enemies Germany was fighting against, but Hitler dismissed this concern as not being important, and, almost entirely without consultation, chose to declare war against the US, wanting to do so before, he thought, Roosevelt would declare war on Germany."

 

[MarAzul]

"To keep repeating the error simply confirms the existence of the mental deficiency."

Why do we keep letting him make racist posts like this...?

Ha!
You really need to quit accepting affinity to perceived slights to your race.

 

[MarAzul]

...again, I doubt you will...the question has clearly been posed 3 different times now...and 3 times you have side stepped it...but hey, that's OK.


...and fyi...enjoy;

"According to the terms of their agreements, Germany was obliged to come to the aid of Japan if a third country attacked Japan, but not if Japan attacked a third country. Ribbentrop reminded Hitler of this, and pointed out that to declare war against the US would add to the number of enemies Germany was fighting against, but Hitler dismissed this concern as not being important, and, almost entirely without consultation, chose to declare war against the US, wanting to do so before, he thought, Roosevelt would declare war on Germany."

Glad you studied up on your history.
The is no question to side step. You could ask one, and I may side step it. Perhaps not.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Making a scene of disrespect for the flag and country as a way of asking for unity from the Americans whom the flag represents suggests a mental deficiency of epic proportions.

A guaranteed fail from the word go.

To keep repeating the error simply confirms the existence of the mental deficiency.

Actually, some folks might think that saluting or otherwise “respecting” a brightly colored piece of cloth “suggests a mental deficiency of epic proportions”. Some folks don’t need symbolism or jingoism to represent their beliefs, morals or ethics, and they (quite legitimately) struggle to understand the thinking of those who do. A lot of folks (especially in these current times) don’t feel their country respects them, or they don’t believe (with good reason) that this country currently deserves their respect. 360 million people means 360 million different viewpoints. There is no changing that. Respect has to be earned, whether by the individual or by the ”organization”. It can’t be demanded or expected “just because”. So far, the only “guaranteed fail” has been by the current “organization”.........

 

[dviss1]

No barf. They pissed people off, that was the intent, and as such it was the achievement. Regardless of what is said. If you wanted to achieve what is said, it would be logical to put forth an action plan to achieve that result.

How the FUCK do you know what their intent is when you've NEVER bothered to have any conversations with them?

Ohh right... You were told this... Don't be a fucking Bot...

 

[dviss1]

Actually, some folks might think that saluting or otherwise “respecting” a brightly colored piece of cloth “suggests a mental deficiency of epic proportions”. Some folks don’t need symbolism or jingoism to represent their beliefs, morals or ethics, and they (quite legitimately) struggle to understand the thinking of those who do. A lot of folks (especially in these current times) don’t feel their country respects them, or they don’t believe (with good reason) that this country currently deserves their respect. 360 million people means 360 million different viewpoints. There is no changing that. Respect has to be earned, whether by the individual or by the ”organization”. It can’t be demanded or expected “just because”. So far, the only “guaranteed fail” has been by the current “organization”.........

 

[MarAzul]

Actually, some folks might think that saluting or otherwise “respecting” a brightly colored piece of cloth “suggests a mental deficiency of epic proportions”. Some folks don’t need symbolism or jingoism to represent their beliefs, morals or ethics, and they (quite legitimately) struggle to understand the thinking of those who do. A lot of folks (especially in these current times) don’t feel their country respects them, or they don’t believe (with good reason) that this country currently deserves their respect. 360 million people means 360 million different viewpoints. There is no changing that. Respect has to be earned, whether by the individual or by the ”organization”. It can’t be demanded or expected “just because”. So far, the only “guaranteed fail” has been by the current “organization”.........

Actually UCD, I think you are correct in much of what you post above. However, what you post is also why we are disintegrating into separate tribes in stead of becoming Americans. I do not see that as a good thing, but I do see it happening.

If you protest and the result is to piss off your fellow Americans that have been Americans all along, then you are not likely to gain their support. Bad plan!

Do you remember, saluting the Ensign and requesting permission to come aboard? Perhaps you thought it mental deficient. I did not. I can even recall feeling really happy to be able to do it on that given day, after a job I felt proud to have participated in. More than once.

 

[MarAzul]

How the FUCK do you know what their intent is when you've NEVER bothered to have any conversations with them?

Ohh right... You were told this... Don't be a fucking Bot...

Pretty damned easy. The results speaks loudly of the intent. Continuing to do the same speaks
even louder of the intent.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Actually UCD, I think you are correct in much of what you post above. However, what you post is also why we are disintegrating into separate tribes in stead of becoming Americans. I do not see that as a good thing, but I do see it happening.

If you protest and the result is to piss off your fellow Americans that have been Americans all along, then you are not likely to gain their support. Bad plan!

Do you remember, saluting the Ensign and requesting permission to come aboard? Perhaps you thought it mental deficient. I did not. I can even recall feeling really happy to be able to do it on that given day, after a job I felt proud to have participated in. More than once.

I remember saluting the ensign very well. But......I did it because it was required and I wanted to insure that I was able to get a hot meal and a good night’s sleep in my bunk. But just because I thought saluting that piece of colored cloth was rather “over the top”, I respected my ship and my ship mates. I showed that respect by doing my job to the best of my ability and treating my ship mates as I wanted them to treat me. Saluting the flag on the stern meant nothing more than using a “secret handshake” in order to gain entry. Otherwise I’d have had to sleep on the pier. I swore an oath to defend my country when I enlisted and I upheld my end of the bargain for as long as I was in the Navy. The rest of what went along with it was just window dressing because those were the rules I agreed to abide by. I sold the government my time, not my soul......

 

[MarAzul]

I remember saluting the ensign very well. But......I did it because it was required and I wanted to insure that I was able to get a hot meal and a good night’s sleep in my bunk. But just because I thought saluting that piece of colored cloth was rather “over the top”, I respected my ship and my ship mates. I showed that respect by doing my job to the best of my ability and treating my ship mates as I wanted them to treat me. Saluting the flag on the stern meant nothing more than using a “secret handshake” in order to gain entry. Otherwise I’d have had to sleep on the pier. I swore an oath to defend my country when I enlisted and I upheld my end of the bargain for as long as I was in the Navy. The rest of what went along with it was just window dressing because those were the rules I agreed to abide by. I sold the government my time, not my soul......

I know exactly how you felt. Although I never thought it over the top as that symbol did represent your team, not just your government. There were a few times where it the feeling of my team was very strong, and I was more than happy to be able to return.

 

[dviss1]

Pretty damned easy. The results speaks loudly of the intent. Continuing to do the same speaks
even louder of the intent.

One of your dumber posts...

I'll refer you to one of the more well known idioms:

"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."

 

[MarAzul]

One of your dumber posts...

I'll refer you to one of the more well known idioms:

"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."

A good start, continue.

 

[dviss1]

If you protest and the result is to piss off your fellow Americans that have been Americans all along, then you are not likely to gain their support. Bad plan!

What the fuck does this mean?

We have been Americans all along too.... we BUILT this fucking country...

 

[dviss1]

A good start, continue.

There's no need. If you can't understand that you can't judge intent by the results of one's actions, I don't know where we go from there.

 

[MARIS61]

What you are missing is that there are some people who will take the extra step of asking "what is this protest about", and learn the answer. And that is the positive result of the protest.

There are, of course some who will learn what the protest is about, ignore that, and protest the protest, like you do. And I think you are exercising your right to the 1st. Just not well thought out to achieve any positive result.

barfo

Problem is, none of the protestors agree what their protest is about. Cops are evil, racism is everywhere, all minorities should be millionaires, capitalism is racist, employees shouldn't have to follow rules of the workplace...

When the myriad of answers are combined the basic impression is a few extremely-privileged minorities bitching that the middle-class Americans who idolized them and made them the wealthiest athletes in the world are uncaring racists and their country is a cesspool of evil.

It was a very stupid idea from the start, and only a bunch of morons would double-down and triple-down on it after it so obviously crashed and burned on takeoff.

It's the football equivalent of running the ball into the wrong end zone, and then doing it again, and again, and again...and expecting to win the game.

 

[dviss1]

I know exactly how you felt. Although I never thought it over the top as that symbol did represent your team, not just your government. There were a few times where it the feeling of my team was very strong, and I was more than happy to be able to return.

But it does represent the government. A government that has systematically been against black people. That flag has never represented all Americans.

Even when we fought in war but couldn't get the same GI bill as our white counterparts.

 

[dviss1]

Where do you go in a conversation, when people lead it with idiotic shit like:

"all minorities should be millionaires"



You don't go into a convo with someone who would say something so idiotic. When you argue with a fool... Who's really the fool?

 

[MARIS61]

How the FUCK do you know what their intent is when you've NEVER bothered to have any conversations with them?

Ohh right... You were told this... Don't be a fucking Bot...

And which famous kneelers have you personally spoken with?

 

[MarAzul]

What the fuck does this mean?

We have been Americans all along too.... we BUILT this fucking country...

You speak of American and then you speak of we.

My parents became Americans so I grew to be one. Are we of your we? That would be, if we are Americans and proud to be.

 

[MarAzul]

There's no need. If you can't understand that you can't judge intent by the results of one's actions, I don't know where we go from there.

Oh, this is only true for the first misstep. Continuing to repeat the action to repeat the result, clearly speaks to the intent

 

[MarAzul]

As if we haven't been...

What causes you to often infer the illogical?

 

[dviss1]

What causes you to often infer the illogical?

I didn't infer a fucking thing. I ASKED you a question.

One you still have yet to answer.

 

[MarAzul]

I didn't infer a fucking thing. I ASKED you a question.

Your question is from left field, most likely from an illogical inference.

 

[MARIS61]

But it does represent the government. A government that has systematically been against black people. That flag has never represented all Americans.

Even when we fought in war but couldn't get the same GI bill as our white counterparts.

Remind me which war you fought in.

GI bill is available to all veterans.

Maybe, if you found something that exists today, in America, that is discriminatory to you personally, rather than something that has long since been corrected by our government, somebody would listen to your complaint.

 

[dviss1]

Remind me which war you fought in.

GI bill is available to all veterans.

Maybe, if you found something that exists today, in America, that is discriminatory to you personally, rather than something that has long since been corrected by our government, somebody would listen to your complaint.

Do us both a favor and Put me on ignore.

 

[MARIS61]

I've had police draw firearms out on me as a 14 year old kid... I AM A KNEELER YOU FUCKING IDIOT...

I've been shot at twice, and threatened with guns 2 more times, and as a 16 year-old wrestled with and physically injured a cop who tried to illegally search my car.

Never in my life have I considered kneeling as an effective response.

 

[MarAzul]

Put me on ignore.

Sometimes I do, when I tire of your tripe.
Other times I feel a duty to enlighten you.