Brian Berger: Interesting Inside Info about KP

[BGrantFan]

If you subtract the worst things that Hitler did, he comes out smelling like a rose.

Marge Schott's ghost sends her regards.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I said the exact same thing, and I know Brian as well. He's a douchebag who I'm hearing got a new client with the initials SP, and he's using his radio show for PR purposes. I wonder how the people at The Game feel about that?

For this inside information, I get flamed, and posters gobble up what Brian is spewing as if it has any value at all other than PR spin.

Not being combative, Brian just stated, on the morning sports page, that he hasn't spoken to Patterson in 2 years. Is he flat out lying?

 

[BGrantFan]

Poor Steve Patterson. The brilliant basketball mind who drafted Sebastian Telfair and Martell Webster suddenly gets it right in 2006 after a flurry of moves, and because Paul Allen, Nate, and KP wanted Adam Morrison (who was available with the Bulls pick at #2), poor Steve never got to enjoy the fruits of his big plan.

Nevermind that this is the idiot who passed on Chris Paul and Deron Williams because he had Sebastian Telfair; I'm sure that was Pritchard's fault as well, right Brian and Steve?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Poor Steve Patterson. The brilliant basketball mind who drafted Sebastian Telfair and Martell Webster suddenly gets it right in 2006 after a flurry of moves, and because Paul Allen, Nate, and KP wanted Adam Morrison (who was available with the Bulls pick at #2), poor Steve never got to enjoy the fruits of his big plan.

Nevermind that this is the idiot who passed on Chris Paul and Deron Williams because he had Sebastian Telfair; I'm sure that was Pritchard's fault as well, right Brian and Steve?

I believe Nash was the one who blew that. But Patterson could have overrode him. I remember hearing KP was screaming to draft Paul, but they went Webster instead.

 

[BGrantFan]

Not being combative, Brian just stated, on the morning sports page, that he hasn't spoken to Patterson in 2 years. Is he flat out lying?

He's lied before. He's a PR hack. It's his job to lie.

 

[BlazerBeav]

Back on topic.


Patterson gets the credit for Roy/LMA? Then I guess he should also be held responsible for Webster-over-Paul, or Telfair- over- Jefferson.

Indeed, which might explain why Steve Patterson is no longer the GM of the Trail Blazers.

 

[Mediocre Man]

He's lied before. He's a PR hack. It's his job to lie.

Any chance you could change your avatar to something less ugly. I literally get sick everytime I look at your posts.....and not the way I used to.

 

[BGrantFan]

I believe Nash was the one who blew that. But Patterson could have overrode him. I remember hearing KP was screaming to draft Paul, but they went Webster instead.

Poor Steve Patterson. Forced to sign Darius Miles to a ridiculous contract by the owner, no authority or balls to overrule John Nash, and then he pulls off the draft of a lifetime and gets fired, which he tells the world about 4 years after the fact after sitting on this gold all the while. Oddly, a known PR hack parrots the same exact story, and he knew it all the while and even had opportunities to ask KP about it, on air, but chose not to until Pritchard was fired.

This screams "credibility" to me.

 

[BGrantFan]

Any chance you could change your avatar to something less ugly. I literally get sick everytime I look at your posts.....and not the way I used to.

Bert Kolde's mug has a certain "want some candy, kiddo?" quality about him, doesn't it.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Bert Kolde's mug has a certain "want some candy, kiddo?" quality about him, doesn't it.

It's odd. He looks like a cartoon character, but I can't put my finger on which one he reminds me of.

 

[BGrantFan]

What's funny about Patterson's story is that it has already changed regarding the 2006 draft. His first appearance was during the draft was on 1080 The Fan, and he said nothing about Pritchard wanting Morrison. He said that Paul Allen wanted Morrison, and that he was going to overrule everyone if Ammo was available with what ended up being the Foye pick. Now, the story has morphed to include Pritchard also being a Morrison advocate. Why didn't Patterson mention that last Thursday night when he first crawled out of his hole?

 

[Nikolokolus]

It's odd. He looks like a cartoon character, but I can't put my finger on which one he reminds me of.

Hmmm ...

 

[Nikolokolus]

What's funny about Patterson's story is that it has already changed regarding the 2006 draft. His first appearance was during the draft was on 1080 The Fan, and he said nothing about Pritchard wanting Morrison. He said that Paul Allen wanted Morrison, and that he was going to overrule everyone if Ammo was available with what ended up being the Foye pick. Now, the story has morphed to include Pritchard also being a Morrison advocate. Why didn't Patterson mention that last Thursday night when he first crawled out of his hole?

One is Patterson's story, the other is Berger's ... why are they necessarily the same? Except your baseless claim that Berger is now handling Patterson as a client.

 

[OddEnormous]

]I believe Nash was the one who blew that.[/B] But Patterson could have overrode him. I remember hearing KP was screaming to draft Paul, but they went Webster instead.

I'm sure Patterson would absolutely love for you to believe that as well.

 

[OddEnormous]

Why did this reassessment of Pritchard wait till he was gone? I was saying similar things (on ESPN) for his entire tenure, and all I got was hate and people getting me banned. Pritchard is just an average GM who grabs all the praise he can and doesn't spread it around. Now that everyone agrees with me, let's storm the Bastille and Bring Back Bob !! I swear on the grave of BobWhitsittsGhost, I'm tired of waiting !!

WHO GIVES A FUCK!?!?!??!?!?!?


"Now that everyone agrees with me"

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'm sure Patterson would absolutely love for you to believe that as well.

What that he didn't overrule Nash in drafting Paul? Or that KP wanted Paul? I never said anything good about Patterson in this post.

 

[OddEnormous]

What that he didn't overrule Nash in drafting Paul? Or that KP wanted Paul? I never said anything good about Patterson in this post.

Sigh....

 

[maxiep]

I specifically put in there that it doesn't seem like Patterson, and edited it after Sly's post to say that Gabriel made sense.
And it was CP3 for Webster and Jack.

Don't forget Freeland. I'm still waiting for Joel to finally tip that deal in our favor!

 

[BrianFromWA]

Where ARE Ricky Sanchez and Linas Kleiza nowadays?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

One of the biggest things that keeps coming up in #Blazers-Pritchard talk: Pritchard disappeared for six days after Penn was fired.

- Blazerbanter Twitter

I wonder what this is about? Talk about a weird fucking summer this has been!

 

[maxiep]

Here's the 2010-11 Blazer theme: "We take the 'fun' out of 'dysfunctional'."

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The curse of Greg Oden.

The climate would be A LOT different with KP and Paul Allen if Oden stayed healthy.

 

[Minstrel]

I'll dispute it. I saw video evidence of it. Unless you've got video evidence otherwise, I win again.

Fair enough. My thought experiment was actually meant for talking with someone who hadn't seen the game and didn't have access to video (like in a bar), but let's make it easier. If someone who was at the 1910 World Series, in 1950 claimed that the Cubs won the Series, I doubt he'd be disputed by anyone who was there. Because no one would particularly care. The "Hey, no one's disputing me, that's good evidence that I'm right" is simply not a great standard. Even more people were claiming KP did the deals around 2006 and no one disputed it. Why, if it was patently untrue?

It ridiculous if you're caught? You're the one who misunderstood or misrepresented the original post, not me.

I didn't misunderstand anything. You just keep disqualifying more and more facts because they're inconvenient to your case. Somehow, trading Randolph and for Camby are "significant moves," yet trading for Bayless and Batum are not significant, despite no real difference in difficulty. You're not being even remotely consistent.

Yet you keep bringing it up as one of his "greatest successes", after I said I'm removing it from consideration since it's under dispute.

I'm disputing your premise of removing it from consideration. Therefore, it's of little importance to me that you're "removing it from consideration." If I accepted your premise as a good starting point, then yes, I should play by your rules. If I say that my premise is that Outlaw was the best player on the 2008-09 Blazers team, but I'm disqualifying Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Przybilla, Rudy, Blake, Webster and Bayless from consideration because I believe they were all on steroids...I think most people would simply disagree with my premise (which disqualifies all those players) rather than agreeing with me, under my premise.

That's cool. #4 and your starting PG for Roy and Aldridge and two first-round exits, or #28, 30 and Kwame Brown, Crittendon and a 2nd-rounder who became Marc Gasol for two rings and a 3rd Finals appearance. We'll agree to disagree here.

"And your starting point guard?" Yes, Sebastian Telfair was great. That was quite an asset KP gave up.

I, of course, never said the Blazers were as good as the Lakers, I said I'd rather have the Roy and Aldridge draft day than the Pau Gasol deal. The championships won have something to do with the other players on the roster. Which you know, but you're ignoring because (again) you're not a fan of things inconvenient to your desired narrative.

Why wouldn't you expect more "complex" trades in the last 4 years?

Because they're rare. How many teams in the NBA have done such things in the past 4 years? And how many teams have done them multiple times in the past 4 years?

And now that I think about it, what makes the 2006 draft trades so fiendishly complex? The Aldridge and second half of the Roy deals resemble the Bayless and Batum deals quite a bit. "Pick our guy with your superior pick and we'll trade you our lesser pick and toss in something to sweeten it." The first half of the Roy deal resembles rather exactly the Sergio Rodriguez deal...a disappointing young point guard for a pick. The major difference was that there was a sucker in 2006 willing to give up a high draft pick. But that doesn't change the complexity. So this is an honest question, not snark: Why are you holding up the 2006 deals as highly complicated deals?

I get that your opinion is that he's been "extremely active" and "good, even if not great", and that that's more than enough evidence for you to discount Patterson and Berger and whoever else comes along.

You're really misunderstanding me. I'm not saying his track record is "more than enough evidence to discount Patterson's claims." I'm saying that using the remaining track record to arbitrate who "probably" did the deals is not logical. I believe that KP did the 2006 deals because it was widely reported so at the time and Patterson coming along years later to say differently, when KP is fired, seems more opportunistic than revelatory. I'm not using KP's post-2006 draft track record to say Patterson didn't do it and KP did. I'm not using his post-2006 draft track record for anything along those lines. My opinion is that his record, as the main decision-maker, begins with the 2006 draft and that his record from that point on is as good as anyone else's.

If evidence that KP didn't do those deals comes along that I find compelling, I'll re-evaluate what I think of KP's record. As I said, Patterson's current claims don't meet that standard. Your "Does KP's record post-2006 draft retroactively predict making the 2006 draft deals?" line of inquiry is even less compelling to me.

 

[LittleAlex]

How about this:

The way Portland drafted before and after KP's involvement is as different as night and day.
Patterson doesn't have a track record of doing much of anything during the draft.
Further, his draft picks were bad to horrific (Telfair, Webster, etc...).


If Patterson had done well in the draft prior to KP's involvement I would be more willing to see things his way.
But he didn't so I don't.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Where ARE Ricky Sanchez and Linas Kleiza nowadays?

Kleiza was a decent player.

 

[Mediocre Man]

How about this:

The way Portland drafted before and after KP's involvement is as different as night and day.
Patterson doesn't have a track record of doing much of anything during the draft.
Further, his draft picks were bad to horrific (Telfair, Webster, etc...).


If Patterson had done well in the draft prior to KP's involvement I would be more willing to see things his way.
But he didn't so I don't.

Steve Patterson was GM of this team for 1 year. That year was 2006-2007, and that happened to be the year that we landed Brandon and Aldridge.

It would be like Saying the Larry Miller is great at drafting because he was President when KP was GM.

With Patterson as GM, the Blazers drafted well.

 

[BIG Q]

Here are a couple of links to add to the debate. I am lifting them from a couple of other posters from another Blazers board;

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2463998

http://mikebarrettsblog.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.html

Lets see how this helps shape the debate as to who infact conducted the 2006 draft. And again, why are McHale/Ainge willing "Pritch slap" victims if in fact they were "Patterson slapped?"

 

[Mediocre Man]

Here are a couple of links to add to the debate. I am lifting them from a couple of other posters from another Blazers board;

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2463998

http://mikebarrettsblog.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.html

Lets see how this helps shape the debate as to who infact conducted the 2006 draft. And again, why are McHale/Ainge willing "Pritch slap" victims if in fact they were "Patterson slapped?"

Barrett is too pro Blazers to take anything he says seriously, and I'm not sure Hollinger really knows.

 

[RoyToy]

It was from barrett in 2007 when Pritchard was named GM

Last summer Allen told Pritchard "this is your draft," in the months leading up to the draft. Pritchard responded by pulling off an NBA-record six draft day trades, and ultimately landed LaMarcus Aldridge, Brandon Roy, Sergio Rodriguez, and Joel Freeland. Shortly after that, it was Pritchard who convinced Joel Przybilla to turn down offers from Detroit and San Antonio and re-sign with the Blazers. He then invited Portland-native Ime Udoka to training camp, and Udoka had started every game this season until, ironically, Thursday's game against Memphis. Pritchard then engineered a trade-deadline deal with Toronto, and sent Juan Dixon to the Raptors for Portland-native Fred Jones.

Barrett might be a homer, but he isn't the kind to make stuff up. He isn't going to put word into Paul Allen's mouth, that is for sure.

Who is Berger again?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

MB is a company guy.

For example: Multiple media outlets said Claver's workout was very disappointing. MB raved about the workout.