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I know it doesn't matter, but I am not concerned about Scoot at all. I wish he were battling for RotY. I would prefer him to be playing well while hurt. I would like it if he had been healthy all year.

The extremes (Oden-like missing of a year, or ... a full year of healthy but playing like crap) would be way worse to me than what we've seen which is flashes of greatness, inefficient shooting, and too many injuries for our liking.

He's still only 20 and I'm still looking forward to him kicking butt as a Blazer well into the future.
 
If we hadn't seen any flashes of brilliance by now then I'd get the bust talk but the guy has had a ton of brilliant moments... just not a ton of consistency and the one time this season he started to show consistency he went down with an injury that kept him out for three weeks and came back inconsistent again.

I think it's still very safe to say that Scoot is incredibly talented and by every account I've seen he has a great attitude. So I expect his game to get better by a lot over the next season or few seasons. Maybe that will have him at a level where he's a role player, either an average starter or sixth man type or maybe that has him as an all star but the talent and attitude that he has displayed makes me feel pretty sure that Scoot won't be out of the league in a few years barring serious injury and that's what a real bust is.

Ask Anthony Bennett
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Ed O said:
I know it doesn't matter, but I am not concerned about Scoot at all. I wish he were battling for RotY. I would prefer him to be playing well while hurt. I would like it if he had been healthy all year.

The extremes (Oden-like missing of a year, or ... a full year of healthy but playing like crap) would be way worse to me than what we've seen which is flashes of greatness, inefficient shooting, and too many injuries for our liking.

He's still only 20 and I'm still looking forward to him kicking butt as a Blazer well into the future.
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Ed? Is the O for Optimistic now? Please direct me to footage of these "flashes of greatness" - I guess I missed them.
 
I’ll let it play out and i was one of the biggest proponents of drafting him.

I’m just really hoping he’s much closer to Jason Kidd than Emmanuel Mudiay.
 
THE HCP said:
You’re out of your god damn mind.
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Big bro his stock has taken a major nose dive. Pritchard is that good. First off scoot will never ever shoot as good as Pritchard will. The rest we can say is debatable. But it’s not that easy as a pick
 
My concern with Scoot is his ability to stay healthy. Dame was an iron man for most of his career. Scoot missed time last year in the G League and he has missed time twice this season. I think it's something to keep an eye on.
 
AldoTrapani said:
Big bro his stock has taken a major nose dive. Pritchard is that good. First off scoot will never ever shoot as good as Pritchard will. The rest we can say is debatable. But it’s not that easy as a pick
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Whoever thinks/thought Scoot could shoot as well as Pritchard doesnt’ understand this game bro…..
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You are comparing a player who played almost 120 college games and is 26 years old to a 20 year old who had less than TWENTY…..20 G-League games. Quite sure Scoot would get Scooped up first my guy. Keep sending the hate his way though.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Ant ALWAYS had skills - remember that Sacramento game in his rookie year? And he could always score. He just couldn't play a team game. He's still not great at the things he wasn't good at, and his skills now are the ones that were obvious back then.

Scoot, on the other hand, looks raw as shit. He's big and strong, not particularly athletic, can't shoot for shit, doesn't have great court vision, AND doesn't know how to play a team game. He's got a lot more climbing to do than Ant did. Even Chauncey (who is Scoot's BEST CASE scenario, and also the incredibly rare case who looked like a complete bust and clawed his way back) could shoot better than Scoot can.

The only reason to have any hope about Scoot is Jalen Green winning Western Conference Player of the Week. But even he, shit as he looked coming out of the G-League, always had otherworldly hops.

This is a big Summer for Scoot, that's for fucking sure. And if anyone offered anything of value for him (a la Indy with Jermaine) then I'd trade him in a nanosecond. And if BPA when we pick in this year's draft is a point guard, we better fucking take him. Another passing-on-Chris Paul-because-we-have-Telfair and I swear to God I will rain down fire on the Moda Center
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And we better keep looking at Banton also.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Six games. Woopadeedooooooo!
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yeah, 6 games is a crazy-small sample size to look at....BUT...looking at their 'full' seasons to this point:

FG%: Amen .539....Scoot .372
3ptFG%: Amen ..157....Scoot ..295
2ptFG%: Amen .611....Scoot .409
FT%: Amen .664....Scoot .822

eFG%: Amen .551....Scoot .420
TS%: Amen .577....Scoot .477
FG% at Rim: Amen .739....Scoot .491
points/shot: Amen 1.32....Scoot 1.07

PER: Amen 17.5....Scoot 8.6
FT Rate: Amen .333....Scoot .283
Reb Rate: Amen 15.4%....Scoot 6.4%
Assist Rate: Amen 16.1%....Scoot 27.0%
Turnover Rate: Amen 15.8%....Scoot 18.5%
Winshares/48: Amen +.139....Scoot -.051
BPM: Amen +1.7....Scoot -6.6
VORP: Amen +0.9....Scoot -1.5

while it's not a clean sweep across the board for Amen, it's pretty close.

Amen has demonstrated the flaw(s) we pretty much knew about and that's shooting touch. He's been terrible at shooting three's and his FT's needs a lot of work. But for a rookie, even with those flaws, he has posted pretty good shooting efficiency: 53.9% FG's; 61.1% 2ptFG's; 55.1% efG and a 57.7% TS. And he absolutely crushes Scoot in FG% at the rim; a 73.9% conversion rate is excellent for a wing, especially considering that's where he takes half of his shots

Amen's PER would rank 2nd on the Blazers behind Ayton. His rebound rate of 15.4% is quite solid...better than Josh Hart last season. AND, he's showing the defensive ability that was predicted as his strength. He leads Houston in DBPM at +2.6; and his defensive rating is 5.7 points better than his team. That's exceptional for a wing. Meanwhile Scoot ranks 13th on the Blazers in DBPM among 'rotational' players, only ahead of Simons. And his defensive rating is 3.5 points worse that the team

Amen's defense might become even more valuable if the NBA follows thru on the intention of giving more leeway to defense

I was actually surprised to see Amen's marks. I guess I assumed he was still struggling like he did his first month or so. Other than his 3p and FT shooting, I think Amen is posting really good marks for a rookie. If I was a Houston fan I'd be really happy with him

I still hold out hope for Scoot but I will admit I have a hell of a lot more doubts about him than I did 4 months ago
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah, 6 games is a crazy-small sample size to look at....BUT...looking at their 'full' seasons to this point:

FG%: Amen .539....Scoot .372
3ptFG%: Amen ..157....Scoot ..295
2ptFG%: Amen .611....Scoot .409
FT%: Amen .664....Scoot .822

eFG%: Amen .551....Scoot .420
TS%: Amen .577....Scoot .477
FG% at Rim: Amen .739....Scoot .491
points/shot: Amen 1.32....Scoot 1.07

PER: Amen 17.5....Scoot 8.6
FT Rate: Amen .333....Scoot .283
Reb Rate: Amen 15.4%....Scoot 6.4%
Assist Rate: Amen 16.1%....Scoot 27.0%
Turnover Rate: Amen 15.8%....Scoot 18.5%
Winshares/48: Amen +.139....Scoot -.051
BPM: Amen +1.7....Scoot -6.6
VORP: Amen +0.9....Scoot -1.5

while it's not a clean sweep across the board for Amen, it's pretty close.

Amen has demonstrated the flaw(s) we pretty much knew about and that's shooting touch. He's been terrible at shooting three's and his FT's needs a lot of work. But for a rookie, even with those flaws, he has posted pretty good shooting efficiency: 53.9% FG's; 61.1% 2ptFG's; 55.1% efG and a 57.7% TS. And he absolutely crushes Scoot in FG% at the rim; a 73.9% conversion rate is excellent for a wing, especially considering that's where he takes half of his shots

Amen's PER would rank 2nd on the Blazers behind Ayton. His rebound rate of 15.4% is quite solid...better than Josh Hart last season. AND, he's showing the defensive ability that was predicted as his strength. He leads Houston in DBPM at +2.6; and his defensive rating is 5.7 points better than his team. That's exceptional for a wing. Meanwhile Scoot ranks 13th on the Blazers in DBPM among 'rotational' players, only ahead of Simons. And his defensive rating is 3.5 points worse that the team

Amen's defense might become even more valuable if the NBA follows thru on the intention of giving more leeway to defense

I was actually surprised to see Amen's marks. I guess I assumed he was still struggling like he did his first month or so. Other than his 3p and FT shooting, I think Amen is posting really good marks for a rookie. If I was a Houston fan I'd be really happy with him

I still hold out hope for Scoot but I will admit I have a hell of a lot more doubts about him than I did 4 months ago
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When did he turn it around? Because his numbers were absolute dog water for the first couple months.

Also, Scoot has missed two huge chunks of playing time. Didn't Amen only miss one chunk of time?
 
Natebishop3 said:
When did he turn it around? Because his numbers were absolute dog water for the first couple months.

Also, Scoot has missed two huge chunks of playing time. Didn't Amen only miss one chunk of time?
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yeah...I remember that he started off looking terrible; and it was more than a handful of games. He really didn't turn it around till mid-January (reading game logs) but once he did, he's been really good

he played 4 games, then missed 19; has played every game since. His shooting efficiency in March has been great

the gaps between Amen and Scoot are probably too big to be excused by 2 injuries vs 1 but I'd imagine that's part of it. Problem with that excuse is they both have played 49 games

like I said, I'm still holding out hope for Scoot, but the vessel I'm holding it in has sprung some leaks
 
Scoot's very early season showed me he was expecting better teammates and more respect from the refs, but had neither. The rest of the season has been about either learning or re-learning the basics to go underneath all the cool hot dogging. I see a lot of Jason Williams in his game, and I hope that, without as much of the garbage that J-Will was carrying around in his brain, Scoot will far surpass him.
 
This thread was made in the person. The obvious flaws have been there from the start. I think scoot is our emmanuel mudiay at this point. In fact if you compare rookie seasons the stats look very similarm He does nothing good and is injury prone. I don't blame us for this pick though literally everyone had him at 2 or 3. Right now I would say trade him if we can while he still has value. If not just think of him as the 40th pick in the draft and expect nothing out of him. Dr
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah...I remember that he started off looking terrible; and it was more than a handful of games. He really didn't turn it around till mid-January (reading game logs) but once he did, he's been really good

he played 4 games, then missed 19; has played every game since. His shooting efficiency in March has been great

the gaps between Amen and Scoot are probably too big to be excused by 2 injuries vs 1 but I'd imagine that's part of it. Problem with that excuse is they both have played 49 games

like I said, I'm still holding out hope for Scoot, but the vessel I'm holding it in has sprung some leaks
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The only reason why I bring it up is because I thought scoot was playing pretty well before the all star break and then he got hurt. Not sure how much the injury is still affecting him. I would think the two injuries could really have an impact on the progress he was making.
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah, 6 games is a crazy-small sample size to look at....BUT...looking at their 'full' seasons to this point:

FG%: Amen .539....Scoot .372
3ptFG%: Amen ..157....Scoot ..295
2ptFG%: Amen .611....Scoot .409
FT%: Amen .664....Scoot .822

eFG%: Amen .551....Scoot .420
TS%: Amen .577....Scoot .477
FG% at Rim: Amen .739....Scoot .491
points/shot: Amen 1.32....Scoot 1.07

PER: Amen 17.5....Scoot 8.6
FT Rate: Amen .333....Scoot .283
Reb Rate: Amen 15.4%....Scoot 6.4%
Assist Rate: Amen 16.1%....Scoot 27.0%
Turnover Rate: Amen 15.8%....Scoot 18.5%
Winshares/48: Amen +.139....Scoot -.051
BPM: Amen +1.7....Scoot -6.6
VORP: Amen +0.9....Scoot -1.5

while it's not a clean sweep across the board for Amen, it's pretty close.

Amen has demonstrated the flaw(s) we pretty much knew about and that's shooting touch. He's been terrible at shooting three's and his FT's needs a lot of work. But for a rookie, even with those flaws, he has posted pretty good shooting efficiency: 53.9% FG's; 61.1% 2ptFG's; 55.1% efG and a 57.7% TS. And he absolutely crushes Scoot in FG% at the rim; a 73.9% conversion rate is excellent for a wing, especially considering that's where he takes half of his shots

Amen's PER would rank 2nd on the Blazers behind Ayton. His rebound rate of 15.4% is quite solid...better than Josh Hart last season. AND, he's showing the defensive ability that was predicted as his strength. He leads Houston in DBPM at +2.6; and his defensive rating is 5.7 points better than his team. That's exceptional for a wing. Meanwhile Scoot ranks 13th on the Blazers in DBPM among 'rotational' players, only ahead of Simons. And his defensive rating is 3.5 points worse that the team

Amen's defense might become even more valuable if the NBA follows thru on the intention of giving more leeway to defense

I was actually surprised to see Amen's marks. I guess I assumed he was still struggling like he did his first month or so. Other than his 3p and FT shooting, I think Amen is posting really good marks for a rookie. If I was a Houston fan I'd be really happy with him

I still hold out hope for Scoot but I will admit I have a hell of a lot more doubts about him than I did 4 months ago
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Sigh.
 
I really don't want to beat this to dead but I've seen two posters refer to Scoot's flashes of brilliance or greatness and I'm left wondering what constitutes that. A play here or there? It must be because I'm not sure he's had more than two games that stand out as really something exceptional. And, if we're talking about just scattered plays -- a great pass, a great move -- basically any player in the NBA has those.

I want Scoot to thrive. I also think the stuff about Cronin saying he was ready as a criticism of Scoot isn't fair: It's team-speak and you get that from 92% of the coaches and GMs and a lot of players. Most people know better. All that said, he has looked a lot more consistently like someone you hope develops into an average player than someone you can say without reservation unequivocally looks like he's going to be special. He has a great look, but I've said this before -- he plays like someone took an NFL running back or linebacker and put them in a pick-up game; they do some eye-catching things, but you can tell they don't really get the game. Scoot plays like he doesn't really have a great feel for the game.
 
Before the injury he was playing with a sharpness and confidence. This version looks like the one we saw at the beginning of the season. Maybe a tad better. It's been really rough, but folks should feel better knowing Kuminga and Green are finally coming around. It's likely going to take longer than anticipated.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The only reason why I bring it up is because I thought scoot was playing pretty well before the all star break and then he got hurt. Not sure how much the injury is still affecting him. I would think the two injuries could really have an impact on the progress he was making.
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the 4 games in February before his injury he did well. But he was wildly inconsistent in January. He shot 37.7% on FG's for the month. He had games where he scored 13 points on 21 shots; 8 points on 8 shots; 19 points on 18 shots; 33 points on 31 shots; 11 points on 12 shots. He really hasn't got in any kind of a sustained groove on shooting all season, except for FTs

the only area he's been consistent is in posting his disappointing assist/turnover ratio. He's been around 1.60 all season
 
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Game Score was created by John Hollinger to give a rough measure of a player's productivity for a single game. (40 is an outstanding performance, 10 is an average performance.).
(The formula is PTS + 0.4 * FG - 0.7 * FGA - 0.4*(FTA - FT) + 0.7 * ORB + 0.3 * DRB + STL + 0.7 * AST + 0.7 * BLK - 0.4 * PF - TOV.)

7 good games
19 ugly games
24 middle-of-the-road games

If you squint really hard you can see the trend line slowly going up. (?)
 
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