Bust a Scoot? (1 Viewer)

[THE HCP]

because that's a gauge without context? for instance, he had a 33 point game....but he needed 31 shots to get that 33 point game

* he has a PER of 9.2 when the NBA average is 15.0
* he has a TS% of .483 when the NBA team median is .580
* he has a eFG% of .427 when the NBA team median .542
* he has a winshare/48 of -.044 when the NBA average is +.100
* he has a BPM of -6.2 when the NBA mark for an average player on an average team is 0.0

* his assist/turnover ratio is 1.60 which is terrible for an PG, and still poor for a rookie PG

* out of 188 players tracked by bbref, Scoot ranks 186th in turnover rate; 188th in BPM; 188th in winshares/48; 184th in PER
* out of 195 players tracked, Scoot ranks 195th in TS%
* out of 562 NBA players tracked, Scoot ranks 562nd in VORP

obviously, all those stats have missing context as well. They don't differentiate between C's, SF's, and PG's. They don't really gauge the quality of teams or teammates or rotations or factor injuries. They don't gauge by age or experience

but statistically, Scoot has been terrible. That seems a fairly objective reality. A couple of 20 & 10 games don't change that

I'm not saying there isn't hope for the guy as the PGOTF; eyeball gauges offer some hope. I am saying there's nothing hopeful found in his season stats this year

How many games has he played since he was 16 years old? Did you find THAT in all your research? He's played like 60 since HS..... bring back this research when he's 22.

 

[wizenheimer]

How many games has he played since he was 16 years old? Did you find THAT in all your research? He's played like 60 since HS..... bring back this research when he's 22.

Scoot played 19 games in G-league regular season; 17 games in the Showcase Cup; and 10 games in the exhibition season. He averaged 31 minutes in the regular season; 26 minutes in the Showcase; and 31.5 minutes in exhibition. That appears to be 46 games where he averaged 29 minutes. I say appears because I'm not sure if regular season games are separate from Showcase games, but I believe they are

if Scoot had 46 games of G-league experience when he averaged 29 minutes a game, 1340 minutes total, that's more playing time than any one-and-done college player will get

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/h/hendesc01d.html

 

[Fitz303]

The ability to repeat that performance means it's not a fluke. He has the ability. I'm simply taking umbrage with idea that he's not a decent player.

I think that's pretty harsh criticism. He very clearly is a decent player. He's a threat to get 20 and 10. You don't say that about players who suck or don't belong in the NBA.

He's a rookie PG with no college experience. You are supposed to look at his good games and forgive the mistakes and bad games. I'm not saying he's going to be a star (though he might). But he's at the very least a "decent" player.

As a 20 year old rookie with no college Brandon Jennings had games of

32 points 9 assists
55 points 5 assists
35 points 8 assists

Along with a bunch of other games in the 20s. I guess you could say he was decent. I'm certainly hoping for a lot more from Scoot than Brandon Jennings though. A rookie season doesn't make a career. He's not good yet though. His efficiency is atrocious for a high pick rookie. This offseason will be huge.

 

[Phatguysrule]

As a 20 year old rookie with no college Brandon Jennings had games of

32 points 9 assists
55 points 5 assists
35 points 8 assists

Along with a bunch of other games in the 20s. I guess you could say he was decent. I'm certainly hoping for a lot more from Scoot than Brandon Jennings though. A rookie season doesn't make a career. He's not good yet though. His efficiency is atrocious for a high pick rookie. This offseason will be huge.

Jennings first 6 seasons he averaged 16 and 6. He was certainly at least a decent player.

 

[THE HCP]

Scoot played 19 games in G-league regular season; 17 games in the Showcase Cup; and 10 games in the exhibition season. He averaged 31 minutes in the regular season; 26 minutes in the Showcase; and 31.5 minutes in exhibition. That appears to be 46 games where he averaged 29 minutes. I say appears because I'm not sure if regular season games are separate from Showcase games, but I believe they are

if Scoot had 46 games of G-league experience when he averaged 29 minutes a game, 1340 minutes total, that's more playing time than any one-and-done college player will get

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/h/hendesc01d.html

Brother you are counting exhibition games now? I've been to showcase cup games and they are on the level of Vegas summer league action. Just let it go. Kid played 19 semipro games before joining the NBA. Give him a few years please. You're trying too hard bro. Exhibition games....ha!

 

[wizenheimer]

Brother you are counting exhibition games now? I've been to showcase cup games and they are on the level of Vegas summer league action. Just let it go. Kid played 19 semipro games before joining the NBA. Give him a few years please. You're trying too hard bro. Exhibition games....ha!

I'm not one of the Scoot-haters here. But I do have doubts about his upside and anybody that doesn't hasn't been paying attention

the value of G-league games over college games is a legitimate debate. But again, Scoot played 46 games on a g-league floor against g-league players, and he averaged 29 minutes a game. That's a lot of development time.

and by the way, it was Scoot's decision to go g-league instead of college. He could have tried college ball for a year but his flaws may have been exposed

 

[THE HCP]

I'm not one of the Scoot-haters here. But I do have doubts about his upside and anybody that doesn't hasn't been paying attention

the value of G-league games over college games is a legitimate debate. But again, Scoot played 46 games on a g-league floor against g-league players, and he averaged 29 minutes a game. That's a lot of development time.

and by the way, it was Scoot's decision to go g-league instead of college. He could have tried college ball for a year but his flaws may have been exposed

I'll wait til he's 22 to judge.

 

[wizenheimer]

I'll wait til he's 22 to judge.

that's fine...but looking at his numbers as a rookie isn't judging him as a 4 year veteran 3 years from now

 

[THE HCP]

that's fine...but looking at his numbers as a rookie isn't judging him as a 4 year veteran 3 years from now

You've never said anything more true.

 

[42N8Bounce]

that's fine...but looking at his numbers as a rookie isn't judging him as a 4 year veteran 3 years from now

I've re-read this 4 times, and still am trying to figure out what that means.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Amen doesn't look too hot tonight either...

 

[wizenheimer]

I've re-read this 4 times, and still am trying to figure out what that means.
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it made sense in my mind...there may have been a translation error

 

[kjironman1]

I've re-read this 4 times, and still am trying to figure out what that means.
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It means we are all sick of sucking!

 

[FlashWad]

I don't know how we can consider a guy who puts up multiple 20 and 10 games in the NBA not a "decent player".

He's already decent, IMO. He's already more explosive than most NBA players.

He's only going to get more accurate and make fewer mistakes as time goes on and he adjusts to the length, speed, and athleticism of NBA defenses...

His stats are undeniably horrible across the board. A few games where he got 20 points on 20 shots doesn’t really help your point. As of right now I don’t see him lasting the nba. I actually the odds point in that direction.

 

[Tince]

His stats are undeniably horrible across the board. A few games where he got 20 points on 20 shots doesn’t really help your point. As of right now I don’t see him lasting the nba. I actually the odds point in that direction.

Undoubtedly he'll eventually be out of the NBA, that's a pretty safe prediction.

 

[Phatguysrule]

His stats are undeniably horrible across the board. A few games where he got 20 points on 20 shots doesn’t really help your point. As of right now I don’t see him lasting the nba. I actually the odds point in that direction.

The 10 assists is the far more impressive stat. Especially with this team.

He needs to improve. All rookies do. And he will. But he is clearly a decent player, IMO.

 

[Whyachi]

His stats are undeniably horrible across the board. A few games where he got 20 points on 20 shots doesn’t really help your point. As of right now I don’t see him lasting the nba. I actually the odds point in that direction.

Scoot fishhooked Landale, knocked Jalen Green down with a clothesline, and stiff armed 5 straight Rockets.

is Scoot ready for the NBA ?
Maybe the question should be
....
Is the NBA ready for Scoot ??

 

[HansenYang]

Scoot fishhooked Landale, knocked Jalen Green down with a clothesline, and stiff armed 5 straight Rockets.

is Scoot ready for the NBA ?
Maybe the question should be
....
Is the NBA ready for Scoot ??

They need to announce Scoot as our starting Linebacker

 

[BassPlaya]

There are those who wait for the prize to fall out of the box of cereal/cracker jax as it would naturally.
There are those who rip the top off the box and dig for it with their first serving.
There are those who point at the box and declare before even purchasing.

 

[kjironman1]

There are those who wait for the prize to fall out of the box of cereal/cracker jax as it would naturally.
There are those who rip the top off the box and dig for it with their first serving.
There are those who point at the box and declare before even purchasing.

Same say the box of Cracker Jack's is the prize.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

There are those who wait for the prize to fall out of the box of cereal/cracker jax as it would naturally.
There are those who rip the top off the box and dig for it with their first serving.
There are those who point at the box and declare before even purchasing.

What about those who open the box from the bottom to get the prize sooner?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

There are those who wait for the prize to fall out of the box of cereal/cracker jax as it would naturally.
There are those who rip the top off the box and dig for it with their first serving.
There are those who point at the box and declare before even purchasing.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

 

[kjironman1]

This shit is getting out of hand. Seems like everyone with an avenue to complain is piling on this kid. makes me want to see him succeed even more.

 

[Natebishop3]

This shit is getting out of hand. Seems like everyone with an avenue to complain is piling on this kid. makes me want to see him succeed even more.

Between Scoot and Ayton, Reddit loves to farm fake internet points off bashing those two guys.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

Just IMHO … no sauces …
Ant would welcome a trade over the summer.

Sharpe will be significantly better than Ant at SG … and Sharpe should NOT be a SF. Does anyone think that’s off base?
Ant knows where the franchise is looking for leadership at PG — Scoot. He has “it.”

Moving forward, Ant is too young to embrace winning 6th man of the year. Like any young vet who has grown and earned it, he wants to compete in the playoffs and the Blazers are just not there.

I’m planting my flag on this hill. Trading Ant in the summer of 2025 is one year too late.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

This seems a very fair-minded comment in that thread:


Got to say, I have not seen him jump that high. Just last game he missed a layup that somebody of Anfernee's athleticism would have easily dunked.

 

[Natebishop3]

This seems a very fair-minded comment in that thread:
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Got to say, I have not seen him jump that high. Just last game he missed a layup that somebody of Anfernee's athleticism would have easily dunked.

A dunk contest winner? That's the bar? You realize that Ant and Sharpe have elite jumping ability?

 

[kjironman1]

A dunk contest winner? That's the bar? You realize that Ant and Sharpe have elite jumping ability?

95% of the league falls into this category. I mean we have seen Sharpe hit his head on the backboard.

 

[wizenheimer]

I mean we have seen Sharpe hit his head on the backboard.

with a sharpe knife I cut my thumb on the breadboard...same thing?