Bust a Scoot?

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Holy shit, you guys are fickle as shit in here.

One preseason, Scoot is still only 21, and you guys are calling him a bust and other crap?

You guys need to give Scoot 2-4 years to see what he can do. To throw in the towel already or call him a bust is insanity.

You guys wanted to rebuild and get high draft picks and you guys can't even have more patience than 1 preseason past his rookie season for a 21 year old?

You guys have no patience whatsoever..
 
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SharpesTriumph said:
Agree with the comments that I was much more hopeful of Telfair in his second season than I am with Scoot now. Telfair was traded after his second year for the pick that became Roy. I doubt Scoot will have that value after this season.

At this point I think we can mark down in pencil that Scoot was a fail at #3, and is likely a bust. Sure there are some outliner cases where a player turns it around, but at this point the odds are against that happening. I'm not sure Scoot has more potential than Camara or Rupert. Yes Scoot still has some value and upside just like those other two do as well, but its clearly a fail from what we were hoping for at #3.
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"At this point I think we can mark down in pencil that Scoot was a fail at #3, and is likely a bust.

What a joke of a comment, don't know how you can be taken seriously in here with this comment.

Maybe in due time you will be correct, but right now to say that is silly as shit.
 
Right now Scoot is still inconsistent. We roasted him early last year (in this same thread), and then he had games where he looked good and we praised him.
Now after his first pre-season game, where he struggled, we are back to roasting him again. My guess is we will see more of the same inconsistencies this year.

I get that he has not lived up to the hype from most of the "draft experts" but I doubt we are seeing the finished product.
 
I noticed he wasn't wearing his normal goggles that he did last season and then in the post game interview he's wearing glasses. Hopefully he's still wearing contacts in the game to see better...
 
Drawing a long-term conclusion at this point in Scoot's career is hasty.

But I will say that I have been disappointed with his performance so far.

I didn't have sky high expectations for Scoot at the draft (previous post). I was, and still am, just hoping he becomes a solid starter. I would have like to have gotten more than a solid starter at #3, but let's start there.
 
Scoot's shooting % in G league was really bad too. People were hoping it was just a small sample size, but I think that's just him.
 
beast blazer said:
Scoot's shooting % in G league was really bad too. People were hoping it was just a small sample size, but I think that's just him.
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People who don't practice shooting with intention do not shoot well.

If he were to put in quality work with intention he would be a better shooter. It's as simple as that.
 
Phatguysrule said:
People who don't practice shooting with intention do not shoot well.

If he were to put in quality work with intention he would be a better shooter. It's as simple as that.
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I doubt it's anywhere near that simple, seeing as how he trained with Curry.
 
handiman said:
I doubt it's anywhere near that simple, seeing as how he trained with Curry.
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Correct, it's mainly between the head and the confidence. Young players also put to much pressure on themselves to impress, so they start to press more than letting the game come to them.

Look at Scoot's stats post all star break last year after a horrible first few months to the season :

16.6 PPG -
7.1 AST
3.5 REBS
40.2% FG
35% 3FG
1.3 STEALS
4.5 TO

And his stats in 7 games in April when he got free rant to run the team and got 36.7 MIN Per game

19.4 PPG
9.7 AST
3.4 REB
41.7 FG %
41.7 3P FG on 6.9 attempts per game
5.3 TO'S
1.3 STEALS

He needs to clean up his FG % and turnovers, but there rest of the stats are solid for a 20 year old at the time that never played college ball.


I really wonder how many of you in here have actually even played basketball before in any type of competitive setting or heck even touched a basketball. Some of the things said on here are just baffling at times.
 
sheed30 said:
Correct, it's mainly between the head and the confidence. Young players also put to much pressure on themselves to impress, so they start to press more than letting the game come to them.

Look at Scoot's stats post all star break last year after a horrible first few months to the season :

16.6 PPG -
7.1 AST
3.5 REBS
40.2% FG
35% 3FG
1.3 STEALS
4.5 TO

And his stats in 7 games in April when he got free rant to run the team and got 36.7 MIN Per game

19.4 PPG
9.7 AST
3.4 REB
41.7 FG %
41.7 3P FG on 6.9 attempts per game
5.3 TO'S
1.3 STEALS

He needs to clean up his FG % and turnovers, but there rest of the stats are solid for a 20 year old at the time that never played college ball.


I really wonder how many of you in here have actually even played basketball before in any type of competitive setting or heck even touched a basketball. Some of the things said on here are just baffling at times.
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Crazy. After he had been in practice with the team every day for months getting shots up he became a more consistent shooter... It's almost like getting the consistent competitive reps made a difference...
 
Rastapopoulos said:
What was our record in those games? What was his +/-?
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What a dumb response, we were running out horrible lineups, that has nothing to do with his plus minus or record.

He was improving as the season went on, but you only want to look at the negatives

any way to put a negative spin on it, you guys are ridiculous
 
Phatguysrule said:
How often? How many times? Training with Curry a few times isn't going to change anything.
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That's irrelevant. Training with the best shooter in the history of the game is intention, which you claimed was missing. The real question is where on the intention scale he lands.
 
handiman said:
That's irrelevant. Training with the best shooter in the history of the game is intention, which you claimed was missing. The real question is where on the intention scale he lands.
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That's insane. Consistent training with intention is what matters.
That is reps with intention.

Doesn't matter who you're training with if you don't have intention and game intensity in those reps.
 
I prefer to use the eye test and Scoot's improvement through the year was obvious. If you rely on stats to judge talent then I guess I understand some of you saying he didn't improve.
Just like last night, he was the only guy on the court that could create. What exacerbates his production is the fact that Chauncey's offense has turned into this mix of pick &rolls and dribble handoffs. No sets, no design, just freelance. You tell me who is gonna create offense besides Scoot. Ayton? Toumani? Grant? Murray? Those are the other 4 starters last night. Maybe Clingan? Rupert? Walker? Wreath? The next best is Banton. A shoot first, second and third backup PG. Can't believe anyone would judge him by stats in this situation.
 
cheesehoff said:
I prefer to use the eye test and Scoot's improvement through the year was obvious. If you rely on stats to judge talent then I guess I understand some of you saying he didn't improve.
Just like last night, he was the only guy on the court that could create. What exacerbates his production is the fact that Chauncey's offense has turned into this mix of pick &rolls and dribble handoffs. No sets, no design, just freelance. You tell me who is gonna create offense besides Scoot. Ayton? Toumani? Grant? Murray? Those are the other 4 starters last night. Maybe Clingan? Rupert? Walker? Wreath? The next best is Banton. A shoot first, second and third backup PG. Can't believe anyone would judge him by stats in this situation.
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Solid points. I just hope he shows a more consistent shot as he plays more this season. One bad game shooting is fine.

On the bright side at least he kept shooting.
 
Most guys get better throughout the year because of reps and conditioning. Not that they aren't in good shape right now or haven't had a ton of shots over the summer. But, shooting in games is very different and it takes time to build in game shooting.
 
cheesehoff said:
You tell me who is gonna create offense besides Scoot.
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Just because the FO has intentionally refused to bring in competent point guards (like TYLER KOLEK for example) doesn't make Scoot good. They're pretty much forcing Chauncey to play Scoot big minutes because there's nobody else.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Just because the FO has intentionally refused to bring in competent point guards (like TYLER KOLEK for example) doesn't make Scoot good. They're pretty much forcing Chauncey to play Scoot big minutes because there's nobody else.
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What a strange comment when we have Ant on the roster and Brogdon was our best player last year.
 
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