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Damon Stoudamire, OJ Majo, Kyrie did it with between 1-2 3pt made, all obviously are short players not a 6'9" wing like Brandon Miller.

There was one other rookie who did it with between 0.5-1 3pt made per game and that was way back in 1979..... a Mr Larry Bird.
 
I'm not saying everyone has to be a student of the game but Miller having Wayoff P (aka Paul George) as his goat is pretty damning.
 
I wonder: if the Blazers had secured the 2nd pick, would they have still taken Scoot, or Miller?

my hunch is it would have still been Scoot. Not sure if that's good or bad
 
wizenheimer said:
I wonder: if the Blazers had secured the 2nd pick, would they have still taken Scoot, or Miller?

my hunch is it would have still been Scoot. Not sure if that's good or bad
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Would have been interesting, possible Dame doesn't ask out. Last summer I preferred what happened to that Miller/Dame hypothetical. Was best to just move on, and I really liked Scoot.

But since then we got bad value from Brogdon/Timelord, and Scoot looks much worse than I expected while Miller is better. Dame looks worse than a year ago though.
 
wizenheimer said:
I wonder: if the Blazers had secured the 2nd pick, would they have still taken Scoot, or Miller?

my hunch is it would have still been Scoot. Not sure if that's good or bad
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Scoot. EVERY team that didn’t have a solid PG was taking Scoot.
 
I fully expected Scoot to look this bad and Miller this good. When he calls PG13 the goat, he means personally to him. They are a great comparison. Call me optimistic, but I think Scoot will be great as well.
 
wizenheimer said:
I wonder: if the Blazers had secured the 2nd pick, would they have still taken Scoot, or Miller?

my hunch is it would have still been Scoot. Not sure if that's good or bad
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Had to be Miller. You take Miller so Dame would stay.
 
There's a big difference between counting a player out, and not banking on a player. And I do not want the Blazers to bank on Scoot.

The blazers should not be looking to trade Simons, at least not until Scoot erupts (the odds of which, I think I below 50%).
 
beast blazer said:
There's a big difference between counting a player out, and not banking on a player. And I do not want the Blazers to bank on Scoot.

The blazers should not be looking to trade Simons, at least not until Scoot erupts (the odds of which, I think I below 50%).
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Are you comfortable paying Simons when his contract ends? I'm not.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
No matter what his new contract is for?
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Realistically he should be coming off the bench, and I don't think he's gonna want to be paid like a bench player. But sure, if he's making like 18 a year that's fine.
 
beast blazer said:
There's a big difference between counting a player out, and not banking on a player. And I do not want the Blazers to bank on Scoot.

The blazers should not be looking to trade Simons, at least not until Scoot erupts (the odds of which, I think I below 50%).
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Keeping Simons does nothing but hurt our chances of getting more talent. If Scoot fails we'll need even more talent, so all the more reason to get what we can out of Simons ASAP.

If Simons were worth hanging onto he'd do a much better job of improving his teammates than an underachieving rookie.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Keeping Simons does nothing but hurt our chances of getting more talent. If Scoot fails we'll need even more talent, so all the more reason to get what we can out of Simons ASAP.

If Simons were worth hanging onto he'd do a much better job of improving his teammates than an underachieving rookie.
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I'm done with simons the way I was done with CJ.

The ceiling has been reached.
 
Strenuus said:
I'm done with simons the way I was done with CJ.

The ceiling has been reached.
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Natebishop3 said:
Are you comfortable paying Simons when his contract ends? I'm not.
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I think they should decide by the trade deadline of his final year who they are going with, Scoot or Simons. But if Scoot still has a sub .500 TS% it can't be him unless he's an elite level passer/defender.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Keeping Simons does nothing but hurt our chances of getting more talent. If Scoot fails we'll need even more talent, so all the more reason to get what we can out of Simons ASAP.

If Simons were worth hanging onto he'd do a much better job of improving his teammates than an underachieving rookie.
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We've been sucking even with Simons though. Get rid of Grant, he has no place in the future, but Simons might be our long term PG.

He's still only 24, the age Damian was in his 3rd year in the league. He can be a Lillard type player for us. We just need to surround him with talent.

Scoot on the other hand, he's more likely the next Markelle Fultz.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Are you comfortable paying Simons when his contract ends? I'm not.
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I'd most likely be fine with Simons next contract if we had a competent GM negotiating extensions and resigning players. Simons on a Norman Powell contract is fine. Simons being resigned to a big CJ level raise would be a disaster.

The problem is I have little faith Cronin can do well with these negotiations seeing the overpaid contracts we have handed out to all of Nurk, Ant, Little, Grant, Thybulle. Same concern I have with keeping Ayton here.

But thats going to be a consistent problem and issue that prevents the Blazers from building a title contender, so unfortunately it's not a problem that starts and ends with Simons.

If I were the Blazers GM I would've looked to trade or walk away from all of these vets - Ant, Grant, Ayton, Timelord, Thybulle. Maybe it could work to keep one this season and eventually resign another, but theres zero logic to have ALL 5 of them.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I'd most likely be fine with Simons next contract if we had a competent GM negotiating extensions and resigning players. Simons on a Norman Powell contract is fine. Simons being resigned to a big CJ level raise would be a disaster.

The problem is I have little faith Cronin can do well with these negotiations seeing the overpaid contracts we have handed out to all of Nurk, Ant, Little, Grant, Thybulle. Same concern I have with keeping Ayton here.

But thats going to be a consistent problem and issue that prevents the Blazers from building a title contender, so unfortunately it's not a problem that starts and ends with Simons.

If I were the Blazers GM I would've looked to trade or walk away from all of these vets - Ant, Grant, Ayton, Timelord, Thybulle. Maybe it could work to keep one this season and eventually resign another, but theres zero logic to have ALL 5 of them.
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Pretty sure it was Olshey who handed most of those contracts out you now hold against Cronin…
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Pretty sure it was Olshey who handed most of those contracts out you now hold against Cronin…
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Nice try, but actually it was Cronin that handed out every single one of them.

Olshey was fired in December 2021
Ant signed 2022
Nurk signed 2022
Little signed 2022
Ayton acquired 2023
Grant signed 2023
Thybulle signed 2023
Timelord acquired 2023

Not to say Olshey didn't give out bad contracts too - Turner was the worst, but Meyers and Crabbe were bad. CJ deals weren't great value.
 
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