Call it now--who won the Simmons/Harden trade?

[PtldPlatypus]

I know I'm in the minority, but I think the Nets won this one. They got an absolute haul for a disgruntled Harden.

Yeah, I don't think that you are. At least not in this forum.

 

[Natebishop3]

Lol. For all the hate everyone threw at Morey he ends up proven right.

Harden >>>>>>>>> CJ

Harden is definitely the superior talent, but he's going to be on a MASSIVE contract, he's aging, and he's a serious cancer.

CJ for all his faults, is not a cancer. I actually think CJ as the lead guard could be very similar to Harden in terms of production.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Lol. For all the hate everyone threw at Morey he ends up proven right.

Harden >>>>>>>>> CJ

Is he?

Or to be more precise, is Harden >>>>>> CJ/Curry?

And if so, how many first round picks better is it? 5?

 

[Hoopguru]

It's off-topic, but this trade does impact the Blazers. I fully expect Lillard to be traded this summer and to build around Simons. The Nets got incredible value for Harden. You don't think we could get at least that for Lillard? I think we could get more.

agree, we would get more but why trade him if they can put a team together in the next year that could compete rather a totally young with at a minimum 3-4 year before they make the playoffs. You can trade Dame next year if the planets aren't lining up but give Chauncey, Dame & Joe at least till next year to try.

 

[GDiama]

Harden is definitely the superior talent, but he's going to be on a MASSIVE contract, he's aging, and he's a serious cancer.

CJ for all his faults, is not a cancer. I actually think CJ as the lead guard could be very similar to Harden in terms of production.

Come on. CJ is not even in the same discussion with Harden what is this?
Btw Harden opted in for next season so he gets paid 47M. I prefer personally 47M to Harden compared to 35M for Simmons.
This gives Embiid and the Sixers a real chance to win.

 

[Hoopguru]

Morey also broke the first rule of big trades.
Don’t make a trade with a legit competitor in your conference.
This is just so, so dumb on many levels by the Sixers.

Not to mention the money he will want. They will move Harris now for sure for the right deal.

 

[Duckhook]

76ers gave up to much IMO! wow!

Couldn't agree more - Seth Curry was the steal of this trade IMO. Philly fans are going to shit bricks when their defense plummets. Offense will win games for them.

 

[maxiep]

agree, we would get more but why trade him if they can put a team together in the next year that could compete rather a totally young with at a minimum 3-4 year before they make the playoffs. You can trade Dame next year if the planets aren't lining up but give Chauncey, Dame & Joe at least till next year to try.

I don't think Dame has given the front office that much time.

 

[Natebishop3]

Come on. CJ is not even in the same discussion with Harden what is this?
Btw Harden opted in for next season so he gets paid 47M. I prefer personally 47M to Harden compared to 35M for Simmons.
This gives Embiid and the Sixers a real chance to win.

It's exactly what I said it is. I think I was pretty clear.

 

[Hoopguru]

I don't think Dame has given the front office that much time.

I do, Dame is going to end up owning a piece of Blazerdom too. lol

 

[maxiep]

I do, Dame is going to end up owning a piece of Blazerdom too. lol

To me, the union no longer makes sense. He has more value as a trade asset than as an elite player for the next 3-5 years. We've shed salary at the expense of talent. There aren't enough assets left to allow us to build around Dame. He can go elsewhere and compete for a ring. Better to trade Dame and get the ingredients to rebuild.

He can always come back as a minority owner.

 

[Predator]

I had been suggesting Simmons, Maxey and multiple 1sts for awhile and got shit on about it.

I would take that deal today.

Found Joe Cronin.
Multiple firsts from a team with Embiid and Dame would be pointless.

 

[GDiama]

It's exactly what I said it is. I think I was pretty clear.

Well i can say CJ Elleby with 35 minutes can have same production with Lebron. It doesn't mean I shouldn't be questioned about something as absurd as this.
You are saying a HOFer can have same production with someone that has never even been in discussion to be an All Star.
I think there is a reason we just got a protected first round pick for CJ

 

[Natebishop3]

Found Joe Cronin.
Multiple firsts from a team with Embiid and Dame would be pointless.

Unless Embiid's body breaks down, as it has been, and the team doesn't live up to the expectations.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Found Joe Cronin.
Multiple firsts from a team with Embiid and Dame would be pointless.

They can be used as future assets in trades.

Simmons and Maxey are both strong players that have youth on their side.

If we are gonna blow it up, that was probably one of the better deals they could get for Dame.

Unless you would prefer something like Jaylen Brown and picks.

 

[Predator]

You could’ve shipped Simmons out for multiple complimentary pieces and saved yourself a few picks and Curry.

Imagine if the Sixers got Haliburton, Hield, Holmes and Bagley & picks or something like that instead.

 

[tiredhunter]

NY & Philly press, undisputed winners of this trade.

 

[Predator]

They can be used as future assets in trades.

Simmons and Maxey are both strong players that have youth on their side.

If we are gonna blow it up, that was probably one of the better deals they could get for Dame.

Unless you would prefer something like Jaylen Brown and picks.

I want nothing to do with Simmons.
And I highly doubt simmons would stay in Portland anyway.

 

[Hoopguru]

To me, the union no longer makes sense. He has more value as a trade asset than as an elite player for the next 3-5 years. We've shed salary at the expense of talent. There aren't enough assets left to allow us to build around Dame. He can go elsewhere and compete for a ring. Better to trade Dame and get the ingredients to rebuild.

He can always come back as a minority owner.

Agree, he's there most valuable asset but its pretty clear what Joe & Chauncey want to do and Dame has bought in. He could be gone in the next 38 minutes too. Dame is still an All Star all world player that loves PDX he also puts people in the stands waiting for Joe to spend more money makes since and if it doesn't work shop Dame in a year or so. Why hurry his value will maintain when he comes back healthy, Dame Lillards only come around once in 10 years or so, if that.

 

[Natebishop3]

Well i can say CJ Elleby with 35 minutes can have same production with Lebron. It doesn't mean I shouldn't be questioned about something as absurd as this.
You are saying a HOFer can have same production with someone that has never even been in discussion to be an All Star.

I said similar.

Not the same.

Harden is averaging


Obviously CJ isn't going to average nearly a triple double, but I think he could put up 24 ppg, 4-5 boards, and 8 assists if he's playing as the primary ball handler. He would also shoot a hell of a lot better than 41% from the field and 33% from three. Aside from the near triple double, Harden's shooting and PER are very mediocre compared to his career stats.

CJ's stats last year was 23, 5 assists and 4 boards. Stop acting like those aren't All-Star caliber numbers on way less money.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Philly had kind of found their mojo over the last couple of months. 16-6 over the last 22 games. Curry was part of that, but Drummond really wasn't. So, for this year's team they are essentially replacing Curry with Harden. I think in the short term (next couple of years) the 76ers may very well have got a lot better

Brooklyn is a mess right now, and has lots of injuries. Hard to say how effective Simmons will be the rest of the season. With ultimate health, and Simmons on his game, I can see a Durant/Kyrie/Simmons trio being better than one with Harden. But that's a really tough needle to thread 2/3 of the way thru the season

Short term winner: Philly. Long term maybe Brooklyn but Durant's health, Kyrie's brain, and the psyche of Simmons is a real volatile mix. And, both Durant and Kyrie have player options for next season

Agree with much of this. Your final sentence is wrong though; Durant is signed for 5 years.

 

[maxiep]

Agree, he's there most valuable asset but its pretty clear what Joe & Chauncey want to do and Dame has bought in. He could be gone in the next 38 minutes too. Dame is still an All Star all world player that loves PDX he also puts people in the stands waiting for Joe to spend more money makes since and if it doesn't work shop Dame in a year or so. Why hurry his value will maintain when he comes back healthy, Dame Lillards only come around once in 10 years or so, if that.

What makes you say he has bought into a long-term vision? It's much more likely he's given the team a short rope to dramatically improve or he'll ask for a trade.

We're on the clock...

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Morey also broke the first rule of big trades.
Don’t make a trade with a legit competitor in your conference.
This is just so, so dumb on many levels by the Sixers.

Wouldn't the same apply to the Nets?

I'd say the 6ers odds at a title went up more than the Nets this season.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Couldn't agree more - Seth Curry was the steal of this trade IMO. Philly fans are going to shit bricks when their defense plummets. Offense will win games for them.

Curry and Harden are both shit defenders so this actually doesn't change much. Harden might even be better in the playoffs when engaged.

 

[Hoopguru]

What makes you say he has bought into a long-term vision? It's much more likely he's given the team a short rope to dramatically improve or he'll ask for a trade.

We're on the clock...

Maybe so, but he said last week he's willing to at least give it a shot. He could also be gone in the next 27 minutes. Why is everyone in such a hurry to trade Dame now, is it the same reasoning you thought Simmons value would go in the tank if Philly doesn't move him right after playoffs.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Found Joe Cronin.
Multiple firsts from a team with Embiid and Dame would be pointless.

Not if they are five, six, seven years out. Do you think Dame is carrying a team to a great regular season record on a huge contract at 38?

 

[wizenheimer]

Agree with much of this. Your final sentence is wrong though; Durant is signed for 5 years.

you're right....I thought I was looking at Durant's salaries when I was really looking at Harden's

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Harden opting into his contract next season is a HUGE win for the 6ers. They don't have to give him that supermax this summer now. Two playoffs to see how it works with Embiid is where the most value comes from Harden.

It actually has similarities to the way Morey got Chris Paul from the Clippers. If Harden doesn't produce at prior levels Morey later probably will tell him "Hey I want to give you the supermax James, these damn 76ers owners will only let me give you a smaller reasonable contract" Harden can't get the supermax elsewhere so good chance he might even accept far less....... Hell one more thought I just thought of; will Harden now hit some over 36 rule on his contract preventing the 6ers from giving him as many years on a supermax?

I have to hand it to Morey, he played this situation about as good as could be done. Much better than all the shitty owners and franchise, even the Spurs, that traded away their star for lesser value.

 

[PCmor7]

The Bucks.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Every other EC contender.

If anybody won it was the Nets. They traded one malcontent for another, but they at least got some value for their trouble.