OT Cancel Culture: Discuss

[RR7]

River the conversation shifted a bit. I'm not talking cancel culture right now.

We're talking about the phrase "cancer culture."

I have no idea how you tied this all to native Americans. I don't really have any particular opinion or really the desire to carry on this bizarre side conversation.

 

[Minstrel]

So I think the most recent example that comes to mind is the whole "womxn" thing.

So on the one hand we have people who just want to be accepted as a woman, like any other woman in the eyes of society. That's fine. Happy to oblige.

So why do we need a phrase that separates them out? It makes no sense to me. I think someone pointed out last time this came up (maybe it was you) that this isn't a widely accepted term by the trans community, but stilll.... it just doesn't make sense to me. It seems counter-productive to what they're trying to achieve.

Yeah, I was the one who pointed that out, but there are a couple of schools of thought: one is that separate terms exclude people, which is bad. Another one is that for marginalized people, terms that put some emphasis on their existence are a helpful thing. I'll go a bit more into that second one down below.

Or the BIPOC thing. To me, POC should be pretty well all-encompassing. Not sure why we need to identify POC and also black people because they need their own letter in the acronym, and indigenous because of how shitty we were to them. I don't get it.

Isn't the end goal that we stop looking at race entirely? Perfect world, wouldn't that be what we're striving for?

Do you really consider more terms to be better treatment, though? I think for people who have been marginalized, and still can be, terms that they prefer just amount to respect. Do they really gain any power or fortune from them? Continuing from what I was saying above, I think the main "benefit" of these terms is for the group itself--it's better for self-image to have terms that emphasize their importance after generations of them being invisible in wider society. How terms and representation and all affect self-image in-group can be pretty important.

I'd consider "want to be treated better" to be more rights than other people have, different (positive) treatment under the law, etc. I haven't seen anyone advocate for that. I think wanting self-chosen terms for themselves is fine. Often times, there's so many terms because different people have different views on what's empowering (as illustrated with the womxn thing). Not all black people prefer BIPOC. Not all black people even use POC. It's not like black people got together and decided, as a group, that they need all these terms. Different people felt different terms were good and individuals use them as feels good to them.

 

[Natebishop3]

You don't understand that the initial conversation was about cancel culture and then it shifted a bit about something else?

 

[riverman]

You don't understand that the initial conversation was about cancel culture and then it shifted a bit about something else?

Nate...I was talking about the topic...just putting it in perspective..you posted you didn't want to address that "weird" perspective or something like that....so as I say...pm mode is for selective conversations and the public forum is...well...public. I'm out....enjoy!

 

[RR7]

You don't understand that the initial conversation was about cancel culture and then it shifted a bit about something else?

I do understand it shifted. It just seemed funny that at first you told river it shifted away, you're not discussing cancel culture, and within that shift, included what river was discussing, and then you told him the discussion was on cancel culture and not the shift.

 

[riverman]

Personally, the only label I want for myself is: that sexy dude. Other than that, if you must, I'd just to like be known as a decent human. I'm bi-racial (quarter Caucasian, half Asian, quarter Filipino... alright, 3/4 Asian), but none of that defies who I am as a person. Screw it, I hope one day soon we all will be so mixed that none of this shit matters.

I'm doing my part as did my grandparents! It'll take another hundred years probably..I always liked the line of Bruce Willis' from the 5th Element.....identify yourself..." I'm your standard meat popsickle!

 

[riverman]

Actually, it does make sense. Vietnamese people love Japanese cars and many of them likely trust a Vietnamese mechanic more (better deals, speaking the same language). So it makes a lot of sense that a Vietnamese mechanic would typically have more experience working on Japanese cars.

You know those Honda 125 motorcycles with the milk crate basket on back all over asia? (They are red or blue)...I had one for 10 years and before moving home to Oregon sold it to a Kiwi friend living in Kaoshiung and it was stolen there...cops said it was smuggled to Viet Nam and they lost trace after that. Somewhere my little red honda is cruising around in Vietnam!

 

[riverman]

I have them, and I'm not giving it back!

Seriously, that thing is a real workhorse! I've seen dudes carrying some heavy loads that you wouldn't think it's possible on a motorbike.

They're bigger than they're rated...they say 125 because that's the limit for a motorcycle in Taiwan in many places..or was...the motor is actually closer to a 250 ...I think the body is probably the same as a 350 honda in the states....we called them farmer bikes....I loved mine...drove it all over the island...had a windshield with a manual wiper for rainy season...they were generic hondas but also made by Kimco and Sanyang...same bikes

 

[Natebishop3]

I do understand it shifted. It just seemed funny that at first you told river it shifted away, you're not discussing cancel culture, and within that shift, included what river was discussing, and then you told him the discussion was on cancel culture and not the shift.

It was two very weird conversations. He came in with his take on cancer culture but he quoted us talking about POC.... and then he started talking about native americans getting canceled and I have no idea what that has to do with any of this thread. So yeah.....

 

[riverman]

He came in with his take on cancer culture

I never wrote a word about "cancer".....not sure where this is coming from...I thought it was your typo but you're still spelling it that way

 

[Minstrel]

I never wrote a word about "cancer".....not sure where this is coming from...I thought it was your typo but you're still spelling it that way

I'm guessing it's autocorrect on his phone or something.

 

[riverman]

It was two very weird conversations. He came in with his take on cancer culture but he quoted us talking about POC.... and then he started talking about native americans getting canceled and I have no idea what that has to do with any of this thread. So yeah.....

I explained this to you very clearly....if that's weird....well...like I said Nate....it's all connected...you asked me about british black people and appropriate language....I brought up native americans first around baseball icons...... and if anything...stayed right on topic. Try to keep up...guys were talking about Harvey Weinstein like it's the new liberal trend to cancel anybody who's not in line with their standards....pointing out that cancelling cultures has been the norm throughout history and isn't something new shouldn't be that hard to process ...then you posted you probably had a superior education about Native american history than me or people my age...so you're essentially selectively engaging my conversation but not wanting to include my views....ok..now where does this "cancer" start replacing "cancel".....I'm asking for clarification here....

 

[Natebishop3]

I explained this to you very clearly....if that's weird....well...like I said Nate....it's all connected...you asked me about british black people and appropriate language....I brought up native americans first around baseball icons...... and if anything...stayed right on topic. Try to keep up...guys were talking about Harvey Weinstein like it's the new liberal trend to cancel anybody who's not in line with their standards....pointing out that cancelling cultures has been the norm throughout history and isn't something new shouldn't be that hard to process ...then you posted you probably had a superior education about Native american history than me or people my age...so you're essentially selectively engaging my conversation but not wanting to include my views....ok..now where does this "cancer" start replacing "cancel".....I'm asking for clarification here....

Do you really not understand a typo? Seriously?

 

[Lanny]

You know those Honda 125 motorcycles with the milk crate basket on back all over asia? (They are red or blue)...I had one for 10 years and before moving home to Oregon sold it to a Kiwi friend living in Kaoshiung and it was stolen there...cops said it was smuggled to Viet Nam and they lost trace after that. Somewhere my little red honda is cruising around in Vietnam!

When I first rode a Honda it was a Honda 50. The next Honda I rode was the more powerful Honda 55.

 

[Lanny]

I have it, and I'm not giving it back! I love cruising around the countryside on that thing. See if I can find a photo and post on the Random Picture thread.

Seriously, that thing is a real workhorse! I've seen dudes carrying some heavy loads that you wouldn't think it's possible on a motorbike.

Vietnam had Millions of little motorcycles and motorbikes.

 

[HailBlazers]

When I first rode a Honda it was a Honda 50. The next Honda I rode was the more powerful Honda 55.

My uncle has restored a few of these.

 

[Lanny]

This was the motorbike we bought for about $2,000. Wife wanted something that she could ride by herself, so we bought this easy to operate motorbike. She hardly used the damn thing so I ended up using it most of the time. I hated it (it's more for women) so we gave it to my wife's neice (really more like her cousin, but she calls us aunt and uncle). That was a big gift for a college kid her age (the motorbike was still in excellent condition).

In VN it's better to ride a motorbike to get around rather than a car. We also leased an SUV just to drive the kids and use it when the weather is unbearably hot.

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Wow, your wife is gorgeous and you can tell her for me. I need a com cable to connect my phone to my computer and then I could show you a few pictures of our last vacation which was on the big island in Hawaii. I loved every second of it. We are quite a bit older than you so don't judge my wife by yours but she's still the most beautiful woman in the world to me. I was feeling gnarly, so I bought a puka shell neckless, some cargo shorts, some thongs which you kids now call flip flops, a Hawaiian shirt that I got in Hilo Hattie's in Hilo, a straw hat and my glasses that darken in the sunshine. Went to the Sheraton to watch the ocean waves roll in after a big storm the day before, tried ordering either a hollowed out pineapple with an umbrella and black light swizzle sticks containing a Singapore sling or a hollowed out coconut with any kind of tropical drink but apparently you can't get either on the big island. Sat in a lanai with part of it closed off nearest the ocean and watched huge waves crashing against large boulders. Got showered a few times even though management closed off part of the lanai. Sat in a long bar and sipped on an iced coffee while I watched these swimmers way out in the ocean. A guy sat down next to me and we got to talking and apparently it was the Iron Man team in training and this guy was their coach. Then he told me the saddest story. He was living in NY city with a husband and they decided to move to Lanai or maybe it was Kauai. His partner got ill with cancer and died. Broke my heart to hear his story.

 

[Lanny]

Shit! That's not my wife, Lanny! That's my wife's neice. You already saw my wife.

Must run in the family.
I thought you were going for them a little young.

 

[riverman]

LOL

Lots of people think my wife's in her late 20's.

You and @riverman should know that Asian women age very slowly. Though, I've also heard that once they hit 55 or so, it's a steep down hill. True?

My wife is 61 in the last picture I posted here.....I think it's lifestyle, diet and excercise that change that around.

 

[Lanny]

Iphone or Android? Whatever it is, you can get your phone's charging cable and plug it into the USB port on your computer. Better yet, upload all your photos to Google photos and share links to each photo you'd like to share.

Android. Google
My wife has a Samsung, after all, she's Korean. By the way the son of the President of Samsung was a close friend of my great nephew, absolutely the most well conditioned young man I can recall seeing. I've got his photo flexing his huge biceps. He's on a full ride basketball scholarship at Cal. Poly in San Luis Obispo. His sister got 4.6 gpa at a tough medical school in Atlanta, Emory. She's getting two degrees in three years. Next school year she plans to enter med. school where she will specialize in research. Our young man is only a B+ student. The both went the entire 13 years at arguably one of the toughest private schools in the country and probably the toughest one in oregon. Their school once won the science competition country wide, Oregon Episcopal School, OES. ZW got a B+ average and his sister, who began a tutoring program between OES and a public school with many disadvantaged students. She got a GPA of nearly a 4.0 I'm pretty sure it was at least a 3.95. I'm so proud of both of them.

 

[jonnyboy]

When I first rode a Honda it was a Honda 50. The next Honda I rode was the more powerful Honda 55.

 

[Lanny]

Iphone or Android? Whatever it is, you can get your phone's charging cable and plug it into the USB port on your computer. Better yet, upload all your photos to Google photos and share links to each photo you'd like to share.

Android.

 

[Lanny]

Then you already have a Google account. I think the photos in your phone probably already all uploaded to Google Photos. Choose which photo you'd like to share and post the link.

I'll try it but I've never gone to a Google photo web page.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[calvin natt]

I fucking love all the canceling. Sue me. Or, cancel me.

 

[riverman]

I fucking love all the canceling. Sue me. Or, cancel me.

That's too easy...Sly charges $50 ...in my case it would take about a buck a person to wipe me off the board...I don't know how I've made it this far!

 

[ABM]

See: Mar Azul and Bodyman.

 

[crandc]

Many times more stories in national media on Dr. Seuss than on more than 250 pending bills to make it harder to vote. Hundreds of times more stories on Potato Head than on two states outlawing all abortions and a pending bill to institute capital punishment for women who get abortions.

Who is being cancelled?

 

[ABM]

why? ...you should check on mags.....your safe space club is bailing! I tried to give you a couple of likes to help out this week...I have empathy!

Because Marzy and Bodyman were both banned. This was not of their own volition. Thanks all the same for the likes, though!

 

[Minstrel]

Because Marzy and Bodyman were both banned.

People being ejected from private property for breaking the rules isn't "cancelling." If Disneyland kicks someone out for defecting in public, that person wasn't cancelled.