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I'm Jewish. What Myers Leonard said is very insulting. But guess, what?

I'll get over it.

We all say stupid shit. We have all used words that we should not have used. What happened to forgiveness? Why is everyone's skin so damn thin these days? Why are someone's hurt feelings more important than just about anything else now?

For the record, I am not talking about sexual harassment. I'm talking about people like Chris Harrison (The Bachelor) or Kathy Griffin. Or Myers. He said something stupid. OK, so what? I never need to hear from him ever again? The punishment so does not fit the crime.

I don't get cancelling people people they were dumb, or boorish, or rude, or insensitive.

We can think they are an idiot, fine. Or not buy whatever it is they sell. But to just write them off completely is just wrong imo.
 
I'm ok with cancelling someone like Meyers. Dude said some stupid shit and now he shouldn't get to be a pro athlete making millions of dollars.

What bothers me is when the same rules aren't applied to everyone. If Meyers is cut and never plays again, why were all the pro black athletes or celebs who came out with the anti-semitic shit during the summer cancelled?
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm ok with cancelling someone like Meyers. Dude said some stupid shit and now he shouldn't get to be a pro athlete making millions of dollars.

What bothers me is when the same rules aren't applied to everyone. If Meyers is cut and never plays again, why were all the pro black athletes or celebs who came out with the anti-semitic shit during the summer cancelled?
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who?
 
Natebishop3 said:
You didn't read any of that? You're going to make me go find it?
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Yes, since you brought it up. what pro black athletes said anti-Semitic things.
 
 
Julius how the hell did you not hear about all that when it happened? Were you under a rock?
 
Must've forgotten them.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Julius how the hell did you not hear about all that when it happened? Were you under a rock?
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I don't really pay attention to celebrities or athletes.
 
It's hilarious when it's your side doing the canceling.
 
Stevenson said:
I'm Jewish. What Myers Leonard said is very insulting. But guess, what?

I'll get over it.

We all say stupid shit. We have all used words that we should not have used. What happened to forgiveness? Why is everyone's skin so damn thin these days? Why are someone's hurt feelings more important than just about anything else now?

For the record, I am not talking about sexual harassment. I'm talking about people like Chris Harrison (The Bachelor) or Kathy Griffin. Or Myers. He said something stupid. OK, so what? I never need to hear from him ever again? The punishment so does not fit the crime.

I don't get cancelling people people they were dumb, or boorish, or rude, or insensitive.

We can think they are an idiot, fine. Or not buy whatever it is they sell. But to just write them off completely is just wrong imo.
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This is a common argument with artists and musicians.....Picasso was an asshole on steroids but if cancelled when young, the art wouldn't be hangin around for the world to savor. Jerry Lee Lewis , "the Killer" married to his cousin, genius rock and roll pianist.....humans are more often than not flawed and sometimes really rude and ignorant...if the great artists who were jerks in their private lives were cancelled by society...that art dies a quick death. The great wonders of the world were mostly built by slaves whipped into submission.... Conundrum....yet hate speech in 2020 -21 is pretty hard to tolerate after the year we've all just been through.
Meyers doesn't fit this narrative by any stretch...he's not even great at what he does.....
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm ok with cancelling someone like Meyers. Dude said some stupid shit and now he shouldn't get to be a pro athlete making millions of dollars.
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Why?

Why should he have to give up his entire career because he said something stupid? Have you never said anything ignorant? Should you have to give up your livelihood because you did?
 
Stevenson said:
Why?

Why should he have to give up his entire career because he said something stupid? Have you never said anything ignorant? Should you have to give up your livelihood because you did?
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He doesn't necessarily have to give up his career...he has a clothing line, he can play basketball if he can find somebody who doesn't give a shit...overseas, etc....people have been media blacklisted for a lot less than Meyers ignorant anti Semite rant. He has to make this right in his life...not us...time will tell that tale. He doesn't need to work a day in his life with 70 mill in the bank...he's going to get fined 50K tops.....suspended for one game but probably dumped by the Heat to never return. His good guy brand won't survive it but he might embrace being a bad boy..who knows
 
Definitely a terrible thing to say.

I would warn everyone not to play online games because that isnt close to being the worst thing being bandied about during online gaming. We don't want that to be cancelled.
 
Stevenson said:
Why?

Why should he have to give up his entire career because he said something stupid? Have you never said anything ignorant? Should you have to give up your livelihood because you did?
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If you work retail, and called someone that, or the n word, do you think you'd keep your job?
 
Cancel culture. I’m just tired of all sides. I’m tired of athletes, actors, politicians, and so forth acting a fool and saying derogatory shit. I’m tired of those who get pissed at everything and everyone and always try to cancel idiots, fucking tired of them. The people who defend the dumbasses who are being canceled, fuck then too. Go about your life,
 
Stevenson said:
Why?

Why should he have to give up his entire career because he said something stupid? Have you never said anything ignorant? Should you have to give up your livelihood because you did?
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I’m not in the public eye. He’s an ambassador for basketball and I’m sure even that doof has fans who look up to him.

If I said what he said and it was in a public venue I very well might get fired. The difference is that I chose a profession that is large and I can go somewhere else where they might not know what I did. He chose a lucrative profession that is small so he can’t make mistakes like this. It will follow him around.
 
I think it's interesting that there was no fancy term for this and no particular outrage when conservative were "cancelling" the Dixie Chicks or Colin Kaepernick. Conservative boycotts have been a thing for decades. It's when liberals began boycotting businesses and people that suddenly there's a lot of "Are we sure this is wise? Shouldn't people be allowed to have their own opinions? Do we want a 'cancel culture'?"

This is not directed at the OP, it's just a thought I had reading this thread and various other meditations on cancel culture.

As for whether we "should" or not, I think it's unavoidable. That's kind of my point. It's been happening for a long time. People are generally going to want to avoid doing business with, or enriching, people they detest and oftentimes a movement will spawn around that.
 
You all are making good points. @Natebishop3, your point about you or me being fired for saying something similar is legit, although I would have to fire myself because I work for myself :)

That said, I just find that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. I am not here to defend Kathy Griffin, or JK Rowling, or Ellen, but there was a time when we could just say "what a putz," and not worry about our delicate sensibilities being offended, and move on. That we are never supposed to hear from them ever again seems Draconian to me.
 
Stevenson said:
You all are making good points. @Natebishop3, your point about you or me being fired for saying something similar is legit, although I would have to fire myself because I work for myself :)

That said, I just find that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. I am not here to defend Kathy Griffin, or JK Rowling, or Ellen, but there was a time when we could just say "what a putz," and not worry about our delicate sensibilities being offended, and move on. That we are never supposed to hear from them ever again seems Draconian to me.
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It's an over-correction, but I guess sometimes you need an over-correction to get things where they need to be.

I'd say the worst casualty of the woke culture has been comedy.

Also, just because you're self employed, doesn't mean you're safe :devilwink:
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/lo...shop/283-6752d954-88c6-4ddd-94d7-f73768994a79
 
Minstrel said:
I think it's interesting that there was no fancy term for this and no particular outrage when conservative were "cancelling" the Dixie Chicks or Colin Kaepernick. Conservative boycotts have been a thing for decades. It's when liberals began boycotting businesses and people that suddenly there's a lot of "Are we sure this is wise? Shouldn't people be allowed to have their own opinions? Do we want a 'cancel culture'?"

This is not directed at the OP, it's just a thought I had reading this thread and various other meditations on cancel culture.

As for whether we "should" or not, I think it's unavoidable. That's kind of my point. It's been happening for a long time. People are generally going to want to avoid doing business with, or enriching, people they detest and oftentimes a movement will spawn around that.
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Here's the thing....... if you're a country music singer, read the room. You chose that profession. You understood your demographic. You're totally free to speak your mind, but like..... you had to know what would happen. One of the most popular songs at that time was Toby Keith singing about the US putting a boot in someone's ass.

And again, Colin Kaepernick, I have been a pretty big Niner fan since I was 12. I really liked Colin. But as with the Dixie Chicks, read the room. You're playing a sport that's largely popular with a certain demographic. You're free to speak your mind, but it's a business. There are consequences.

Similar, if you own a coffee shop in Portland Oregon, and you say some shit that pisses off liberals, guess what's going to happen......

But to me, dropping some racial slurs on twitch is a different animal. There's speaking your mind, and then there's saying some truly ignorant shit. Meyers is a moron. He had to know the risks of live streaming, or maybe he didn't, but it bit him in the ass.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Here's the thing....... if you're a country music singer, read the room. You chose that profession. You understood your demographic. You're totally free to speak your mind, but like..... you had to know what would happen. One of the most popular songs at that time was Toby Keith singing about the US putting a boot in someone's ass.

And again, Colin Kaepernick, I have been a pretty big Niner fan since I was 12. I really liked Colin. But as with the Dixie Chicks, read the room. You're playing a sport that's largely popular with a certain demographic. You're free to speak your mind, but it's a business. There are consequences.

Similar, if you own a coffee shop in Portland Oregon, and you say some shit that pisses off liberals, guess what's going to happen......

But to me, dropping some racial slurs on twitch is a different animal. There's speaking your mind, and then there's saying some truly ignorant shit. Meyers is a moron. He had to know the risks of live streaming, or maybe he didn't, but it bit him in the ass.
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I don't really understand what this has to do with my post? I mean that sincerely...you seem to be justifying why people get cancelled, but my post wasn't about whether any of them suffered injustice or not. I was pointing out that it's interesting that when this kind of thing was happening initiated by conservatives, it wasn't branded a "culture" and something we should be extremely wary of.
 
Minstrel said:
I don't really understand what this has to do with my post? I mean that sincerely...you seem to be justifying why people get cancelled, but my post wasn't about whether any of them suffered injustice or not. I was pointing out that it's interesting that when this kind of thing was happening initiated by conservatives, it wasn't branded a "culture" and something we should be extremely wary of.
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Sorry the TLDR is that I’m questioning if it’s really cancel culture if it’s as simple as someone pissing off their demographic with an outside the lane opinion?

I think Meyers is a better example of cancel culture because dropping a racial slur isn’t just outside the lane. It shouldn’t be anyone’s lane. Kind of like canceling a male celeb for sexual assault. Is that really the same thing as the Dixie chicks or Colin Kaepernick?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Sorry the TLDR is that I’m questioning if it’s really cancel culture if it’s as simple as someone pissing off their demographic with an outside the lane opinion?

I think Meyers is a better example of cancel culture because dropping a racial slur isn’t just outside the lane. It shouldn’t be anyone’s lane. Kind of like canceling a male celeb for sexual assault. Is that really the same thing as the Dixie chicks or Colin Kaepernick?
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I guess we have to define what cancel culture is. I was under the impression that most people meant that when a person and/or their work is removed from the public eye permanently (or at least with the intent of permanence), that's being "cancelled."

So, no, what Kaepernick did obviously has nothing in common with what Meyers Leonard did, or what Bill Cosby did, but he was essentially blackballed out of football. So are you saying Kaepernick wasn't cancelled by conservatives in football? That even if he also lost his livelihood permanently, it doesn't qualify because he wasn't actually a bad person?

I'm honestly curious how you're defining cancel culture and canceling people in general.
 
Minstrel said:
I guess we have to define what cancel culture is. I was under the impression that most people meant that when a person and/or their work is removed from the public eye permanently (or at least with the intent of permanence), that's being "cancelled."

So, no, what Kaepernick did obviously has nothing in common with what Meyers Leonard did, or what Bill Cosby did, but he was essentially blackballed out of football. So are you saying Kaepernick wasn't cancelled by conservatives in football? That even if he also lost his livelihood permanently, it doesn't qualify because he wasn't actually a bad person?

I'm honestly curious how you're defining cancel culture and canceling people in general.
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I don’t think Kaepernick was cancelled by conservatives. I think he was a mediocre player who a lot of teams decided to not sign because he wasn’t very good and he wasn’t worth the headache that came with the politics. If it was Tom Brady do you think he would have been cancelled?

I think there’s a difference between Kevin Spacey getting cancelled and someone like Gina Carano who just got fired off the mandalorian. Also a person who was mediocre and who Disney decided wasn’t worth the headache.

Meyers is expendable because he’s not good. If LeBron came out I can guarantee nothing would happen.

If anything I think the misnomer of cancel culture is that people think they have more power than they do. You can cancel a Meyers Leonard. It’s much more difficult to cancel someone who truly has power.
 
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