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Hey said:
That was like 8 years ago, not sure how it's relevant to who he is today as a teammate. He's been nothing but enthusiastic and supportive of Dame's leadership.

That said, he's getting a lot of good looks from midrange and missing easy ones. I think he'll turn it around and that is going to be the deciding factor of whether or not the Blazers can get in the playoffs.
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He’s getting some good looks and missing. He’s also getting bad looks and shooting them anyway. Smart players turn down bad looks. He’s missing wildly and getting rim checked a lot too. His TS% is hovering just above 50% which is horrific to begin with and he’s been over his head from 3. When his 3 comes back down to earth, he could easily go sub TS 50% which is unthinkable for any but defensive specialists.

He’s taking PT and stunting PT and development of our young guys. If we were unfortunate enough to have two Melo kinda players Trent would probably still be an unknown quantity.
 
bobf said:
IMO... he’s hurting our team being on our team. He’s a low efficiency, high profile player who demands shots. IMO... losing Melo will help our team. I want the Blazer’s to get better and win as much as you do which is WHY I want him gone. It’s not negativity. It’s an opinion that differs from yours about what helps / hurts our team.
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Who would play in his stead? Wenyen Herzonia(s) Little with a sore foot?
 
Dougnsalem said:
Gee. Another shit thread fucking trashing on our players. This place has gotten to be so awesome.....
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Why don't you turn it around by defending Carmelo? Let's hear what you have to say. "He's ours, we should love him unconditionally"?
 
KSF-ERIC said:
This is bullshit. Melo’s been good for us. He’s just in a shooting slump. He’s creating good shots and has gotten Trent a lot of open shots. He’s playing good D. He’s rebounding. The negativity on this thread is bullshit. He isn’t washed up and he shouldn’t be demeaned as being sent to the glue factory. Fuck you. He wants to retire here and he hit a game winner against Toronto that could ultimately decide our fate. Fuck you negative posters. Fuck You.
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Thanks for upping the positivity, Eric!
 
KSF-ERIC said:
This is bullshit. Melo’s been good for us. He’s just in a shooting slump. He’s creating good shots and has gotten Trent a lot of open shots. He’s playing good D. He’s rebounding. The negativity on this thread is bullshit. He isn’t washed up and he shouldn’t be demeaned as being sent to the glue factory. Fuck you. He wants to retire here and he hit a game winner against Toronto that could ultimately decide our fate. Fuck you negative posters. Fuck You.
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Wow! Melo must be a really good Uber tipper.
 
Strenuus said:
I love having you here, Doug. Youre an amazing part of this community. But when it comes to the blazers, we run the gamut. And thats perfectly fine.
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Next time you see him buy him the drink you owe me. Pay it forward!
 
KSF-ERIC said:
This is bullshit. Melo’s been good for us. He’s just in a shooting slump. He’s creating good shots and has gotten Trent a lot of open shots. He’s playing good D. He’s rebounding. The negativity on this thread is bullshit. He isn’t washed up and he shouldn’t be demeaned as being sent to the glue factory. Fuck you. He wants to retire here and he hit a game winner against Toronto that could ultimately decide our fate. Fuck you negative posters. Fuck You.
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You have to admit he has been looking tired. He has been an asset for sure. I feel when they get Collins back he will be a great spark off the bench and when used in game situations he will be very effective. There will be perfect times to have that post up threat. There will be teams that just matchup better with him on the court.
 
I don't watch complete games now, but from what i've been watching he gets a lot of shit "Save us" shots at the end of the shot clock.
 
kjironman1 said:
Not really.
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Little's averaging 13 mpg and Gabriel 8. If we're gonna make any deep playoff push in Dame's prime it's gonna have to be in the following 3 years (not this year). Do people really see Melo as being able to make any contribution towards that push? I don't. I don't see the point other than our roster is so thin at the moment we need a body.
 
bobf said:
IMO... he’s hurting our team being on our team. He’s a low efficiency, high profile player who demands shots. IMO... losing Melo will help our team. I want the Blazer’s to get better and win as much as you do which is WHY I want him gone. It’s not negativity. It’s an opinion that differs from yours about what helps / hurts our team.
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My take on Mello is that he has 34 year old legs and is being used in b2bs and playing not fresh. If we could keep anyone health we could cut his min and he would preform much better.
 
bobf said:
Little's averaging 13 mpg and Gabriel 8. If we're gonna make any deep playoff push in Dame's prime it's gonna have to be in the following 3 years (not this year). Do people really see Melo as being able to make any contribution towards that push? I don't. I don't see the point other than our roster is so thin at the moment we need a body.
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Little is hurt but he has been playing and will continue. Gabriel isn't even ready for the NBA. Got nothing to do with a deep playoff push. The Blazers will play Collins when he gets healthy.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Carmelo game high +15 tonight. But yeah, he's somehow a negative on our team.
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Melo with a team high +15....meanwhile Trent with a near team low -7. The take-away for anybody who watched the game is that +/- for a single game is just about the most stupid & worthless stat there is. Maybe for 50 games, +/- is representative, but not for a game

TS%:
Hassan Whiteside .642 Rodney Hood .625 Damian Lillard .624 Zach Collins .624 Skal Labissière .588 Trevor Ariza .587 Gary Trent .572 CJ McCollum .537 Caleb Swanigan .524 Anthony Tolliver .515 Nassir Little .513 Carmelo Anthony .509 Anfernee Simons .507 Mario Hezonja .498

assist rate:
Damian Lillard 35.0 CJ McCollum 16.8 Skal Labissière 10.2 Caleb Swanigan 10.1 Anfernee Simons 9.3 Zach Collins 9.2 Gary Trent 7.4 Kent Bazemore 7.2 Rodney Hood 7.1 Carmelo Anthony 6.9 Anthony Tolliver 6.6

winshares/48:
Damian Lillard .230 Hassan Whiteside .210 Skal Labissière .124 Gary Trent .090 Rodney Hood .089 CJ McCollum .070 Trevor Ariza .067 Nassir Little .055 Anthony Tolliver .035 Mario Hezonja .033 Carmelo Anthony .029 Caleb Swanigan .018 Anfernee Simons .010

Box plus/minus:
Damian Lillard 7.0 Hassan Whiteside 3.2 Skal Labissière 1.1 Rodney Hood -0.4 Gary Trent -0.5 CJ McCollum -0.7 Trevor Ariza -0.8 Anthony Tolliver -2.2 Kent Bazemore -2.4 Nassir Little -2.9 Zach Collins -3.3 Mario Hezonja -3.5 Carmelo Anthony -3.5 Caleb Swanigan -4.5 Anfernee Simons -4.6

usage rate:
Damian Lillard 30.6 CJ McCollum 25.8 Carmelo Anthony 21.7 Hassan Whiteside 19.6 Anfernee Simons 18.6 (hint: that's bad considering the other 4 stats)

looking at those usage numbers, it's pretty disappointing that the two least efficient players on the team are 3rd and 5th in the rate they consume possessions
 
wizenheimer said:
Melo with a team high +15....meanwhile Trent with a near team low -7. The take-away for anybody who watched the game is that +/- for a single game is just about the most stupid & worthless stat there is.
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Yup. +/- for a single game is incredibly volatile and subject to a lot of luck. If you just happened to be on the floor when a run created by other people happened, your +/- will be inflated. Over a longer sample size, the chances that you'd happen to be on the floor for every run without being a reason for them get smaller and smaller. But for a single game, it can very easily be completely luck-driven.
 
I’m one of his biggest fans but he is playing too many mins at the moment.

Get him down to 25-28mpg is more what he should be getting

in saying that he is drawing defenders when out there and actually working harder than he has seasons before.

What other options do we have - I find it funny when people throw something out but despite his performance last 10 games it has coincided with us winning more - maybe we need him to be less effective and just draw players to let the others prosper.
 
He still hits clutch shots..he can still take guys in the post..and teams have to respect him which opens up opportunities for other guys. He’s not shooting great, but when it’s an important shot he is making them more often than not. And his rebounding has been great
 
wizenheimer said:
Melo with a team high +15....meanwhile Trent with a near team low -7. The take-away for anybody who watched the game is that +/- for a single game is just about the most stupid & worthless stat there is. Maybe for 50 games, +/- is representative, but not for a game

TS%:
Hassan Whiteside .642 Rodney Hood .625 Damian Lillard .624 Zach Collins .624 Skal Labissière .588 Trevor Ariza .587 Gary Trent .572 CJ McCollum .537 Caleb Swanigan .524 Anthony Tolliver .515 Nassir Little .513 Carmelo Anthony .509 Anfernee Simons .507 Mario Hezonja .498

assist rate:
Damian Lillard 35.0 CJ McCollum 16.8 Skal Labissière 10.2 Caleb Swanigan 10.1 Anfernee Simons 9.3 Zach Collins 9.2 Gary Trent 7.4 Kent Bazemore 7.2 Rodney Hood 7.1 Carmelo Anthony 6.9 Anthony Tolliver 6.6

winshares/48:
Damian Lillard .230 Hassan Whiteside .210 Skal Labissière .124 Gary Trent .090 Rodney Hood .089 CJ McCollum .070 Trevor Ariza .067 Nassir Little .055 Anthony Tolliver .035 Mario Hezonja .033 Carmelo Anthony .029 Caleb Swanigan .018 Anfernee Simons .010

Box plus/minus:
Damian Lillard 7.0 Hassan Whiteside 3.2 Skal Labissière 1.1 Rodney Hood -0.4 Gary Trent -0.5 CJ McCollum -0.7 Trevor Ariza -0.8 Anthony Tolliver -2.2 Kent Bazemore -2.4 Nassir Little -2.9 Zach Collins -3.3 Mario Hezonja -3.5 Carmelo Anthony -3.5 Caleb Swanigan -4.5 Anfernee Simons -4.6

usage rate:
Damian Lillard 30.6 CJ McCollum 25.8 Carmelo Anthony 21.7 Hassan Whiteside 19.6 Anfernee Simons 18.6 (hint: that's bad considering the other 4 stats)

looking at those usage numbers, it's pretty disappointing that the two least efficient players on the team are 3rd and 5th in the rate they consume possessions
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Good to see that CJ has edged in front of Swanigan for TS% rank....SMH.
 
wizenheimer said:
Melo with a team high +15....meanwhile Trent with a near team low -7. The take-away for anybody who watched the game is that +/- for a single game is just about the most stupid & worthless stat there is. Maybe for 50 games, +/- is representative, but not for a game

TS%:
Hassan Whiteside .642 Rodney Hood .625 Damian Lillard .624 Zach Collins .624 Skal Labissière .588 Trevor Ariza .587 Gary Trent .572 CJ McCollum .537 Caleb Swanigan .524 Anthony Tolliver .515 Nassir Little .513 Carmelo Anthony .509 Anfernee Simons .507 Mario Hezonja .498

assist rate:
Damian Lillard 35.0 CJ McCollum 16.8 Skal Labissière 10.2 Caleb Swanigan 10.1 Anfernee Simons 9.3 Zach Collins 9.2 Gary Trent 7.4 Kent Bazemore 7.2 Rodney Hood 7.1 Carmelo Anthony 6.9 Anthony Tolliver 6.6

winshares/48:
Damian Lillard .230 Hassan Whiteside .210 Skal Labissière .124 Gary Trent .090 Rodney Hood .089 CJ McCollum .070 Trevor Ariza .067 Nassir Little .055 Anthony Tolliver .035 Mario Hezonja .033 Carmelo Anthony .029 Caleb Swanigan .018 Anfernee Simons .010

Box plus/minus:
Damian Lillard 7.0 Hassan Whiteside 3.2 Skal Labissière 1.1 Rodney Hood -0.4 Gary Trent -0.5 CJ McCollum -0.7 Trevor Ariza -0.8 Anthony Tolliver -2.2 Kent Bazemore -2.4 Nassir Little -2.9 Zach Collins -3.3 Mario Hezonja -3.5 Carmelo Anthony -3.5 Caleb Swanigan -4.5 Anfernee Simons -4.6

usage rate:
Damian Lillard 30.6 CJ McCollum 25.8 Carmelo Anthony 21.7 Hassan Whiteside 19.6 Anfernee Simons 18.6 (hint: that's bad considering the other 4 stats)

looking at those usage numbers, it's pretty disappointing that the two least efficient players on the team are 3rd and 5th in the rate they consume possessions
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Truth.
Plus/Minus is stupid to begin with because it doesn't account for who else is on the floor. It's extremely high variance to boot.
Adjusted Plus Minus is not stupid as it accounts for who is on the floor, but takes at least a full season of data to become remotely reliable.
NBA Real Plus Minus is probably the best +/- as it reduces variance by (somehow, black box) using box scores as a supplement to +/-. Still would want a full season of data before looking at it.
 
PHXBlazer1 said:
He still hits clutch shots..he can still take guys in the post..and teams have to respect him which opens up opportunities for other guys. He’s not shooting great, but when it’s an important shot he is making them more often than not. And his rebounding has been great
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Remember he's playing PF for us. 10.8 rb/48 is okay but not exactly great from your PF. And we're getting outrebounded.
 
Carmelo has been good to us since coming here, good leadership, good decision making, solid defensively, been part of the offense and not trying to force it. I think he's come to the right place and would be happy to keep him on a decent salary until he retires
 
I think it might be true that his presence is helping in intangible ways - perhaps people respect his shot and don't double off him, thereby making things easier for Dame. However, if he continues to shoot poorly, this won't work in the playoffs (see Aminu and Harkless last year - and they at least played good D).
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I think it might be true that his presence is helping in intangible ways - perhaps people respect his shot and don't double off him, thereby making things easier for Dame. However, if he continues to shoot poorly, this won't work in the playoffs (see Aminu and Harkless last year - and they at least played good D).
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He's a big upgrade over Aminu, his offense is to be respected and despite popular belief I don't think Aminu was much better defensively
 
Melo will be fine, and with Zach back, probably will be fresher playing less minutes.
 
Can't be gone soon enough. Thanks for plugging the leaks, Melo, don't let the gangway hit you in the ass on your way out.
 
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