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I know this is a weird take but the way the Trump administration is taking advantage of Charlie's death is genuinely sad? They are going to rape the constitution in his name, basically. Yes he was a mouthpiece and would be going along with this if some other right wing influencer had been killed in his place. But it's still such a rotten thing to do. He was a teenager when he started TPUSA in the "Romney/Tea Party" era. It's enough to make me cry if I think about how innocent the right was back then, and I mean that. Yes, the racist newsletter/strapping a dog to the roof era of right wing American politics is downright wholesome compared to the Trump era.

I had expected Trump 2 to be bad but I threw cold water on it in comparison to a potential extension of the Biden administration. It would be worse, but not enough to vote for Kamala. I was wrong! Completely wrong.
 
 


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SlyPokerDog said:
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It's almost as if they're making up shit to mask their racism.

I mean, she basically called a black woman an ape.

That's the hill they want to die on.
 
it has always been the flaw in the American system that relies on a free press as a constitutional safeguard when the free press is all owned by corporations chasing after profits
 
I’m worried for the future.



Feels like freedom is losing right now
 
sheed30 said:
LOL what, nice try but I have stated twice that Floyd didn't deserve what happened to him, no one should die because of their past crime history, get there foot on a neck by a cop for as long as he did, nor did Kirk deserve to die for his beliefs.

Let me correct you, BOTH didn't deserve to die, But it's you guys claiming this and that about Kirk, more or less saying it was coming to him. Let's not forget the comments that was deleted, why was it deleted? or did the mod delete it?

And that is disgusting behavior and you guys are showing your true colors. Funny enough, the same guys showing their true colors are the same little negative Nancy's bunches that complain and are 24/7 negative about Blazer related topics.
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Nobody in here has claimed Kirk had it coming to him.

They have said he's a racist bigot who talked shit about minorities after they were killed by police even though they were innocent.

That's simply the truth.

I have watched Charlie Kirk's debates from start to finish. He had a dishonest party line that he stuck to and gets destroyed by trained debaters who actually know the material.

I don't think he deserve to die the way he did.

And he was a a piece of shit.
 
wizenheimer said:
it has always been the flaw in the American system that relies on a free press as a constitutional safeguard when the free press is all owned by corporations chasing after profits
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Can't let corporations merge like that. Should have kept news local.

Break them up.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
I can agree with that, but good people make amends for mistakes like that. Not repeat them. Now Floyd, to my knowledge, did not repeat armed robbery. But he stole several times, was caught and convicted, then escalated to armed robbery. That isn't a good person doing something bad to me. That is a bad person continually trying to take from others. That is not a good person to me.
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And he did his time in jail for that. 15 years before he was killed...
 
crandc said:
Yeah, the fake tweet about Clemente was too stupid even for JD Vance. But there is a point, the Jesus-ification (not a word but you know what I mean) of Charlie Kirk. Criticizing him is firing offense. Put up statues. The graphic depicting him with Lincoln, JFK, Martin Luther King and Jesus. Mandatory Christian prayers for Kirk in military. Congressional memorial. And a big Nuremberg rally planned.

I have attended probably thousands of sporting events. Baseball has a moment of silence on Memorial Day for those who served and on 9/11 for those who died that day. If a president dies. Never for a podcaster, especially one who sowed division and spewed racism. All of a sudden it's mandatory for baseball and football to have a moment of silence for Kirk.

I am a student of history and this is disturbingly like when a minor Nazi bureaucrat was killed and hailed as martyr for fatherland. And used as excuse for mass repression.

I doubt Bondi is stupid enough to bring criminal charges against anyone for saying mean things about Kirk. But the threat is used so people will stay silent.
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The threat should get her removed from office. And prevent her from ever holding a government office again.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Free speech should be across the board, period and it is legally defined.
Illegal speech has very narrow parameters. Hate speech is not illegal unless it includes a specific threat to an individual. Not a mass of people.
To say “Kirk should die for his beliefs” is technically legal and protected. To say “I will kill Kirk for his beliefs” is an immediate threat to his life and is not protected under the first amendment. (And i think the FBI is knocking at my door…).
There must be an unbiased and impartial line that all who actually care about all life will unite on. Some don't care. Some will cross the line, but the constitution, as defined by what I researched, is pretty clear on what is and isn't protected.

BUt this is only part of the problem. Many on both sides are misidentifying hate speech as an imminent threat to individuals, when it is not. Is this right? Not for me to say. Maybe the constitution should be ratified? I don't know.

But if the agenda of some people is to turn hate speech into illegal speech, then, once again, the tactics used to push for this change are harmful to the tacticians. Instead of going after the people saying these things, push for politicians who agree and will develop a bill to ratify the constitution. If this is the popular opinion, then thru electing likeminded officials, slowly but surely, change happens.
We’re all on here fighting with each other when ive been trying to say, the fight is out there. The fight is large corporate Conglomerates that rule the financial and political world we currently live in. Its left. Its right. It’s even most independents. As long as a politician takes corporate aid to finance their bid for election, it’s over. This may sound drastic and I fully admit is an off the cuff hip shot at an answer.

Let’s say we use platforms to get the word out that no matter party affiliate you lean towards, you will not vote for any politician who has taken any donations from any corporation. Period.
Let’s say by some miraculous event, most states couldn't get the electorates voted in due to zero votes for either candidate, then I believe they would have to do a new vote?

This would unwind things and leave a huge platform for new political candidates to arise that are not taking donations and this can stay true to their core beliefs.

I mean, let’s be real here. We are all sooo frustrated with our politicians. Anyone without hate is sick of both sides. Whether one is worse or not, is all debatable, but there is no denying sane people on both sides are fed up with the bs. Say this but do that.

Until we drop the aggression towards one another and focus on getting corporations(which includes media influence) out of our politics, nothing will improve.
Nothing.
Everyone is online fighting the wrong fight, expending so much energy that is only fueling the fire of chaos.
This is doing nothing to drive towards any type of answer or resolution and only further concreting our social demise.
Hate begats hate. Begats hate.
The endless cycle of us humans seem to cannot live without…
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Similar to what I've been advocating for for years. Sounds like you're voting for Bernie and AOC...
 
Phatguysrule said:
Nobody in here has claimed Kirk had it coming to him.

They have said he's a racist bigot who talked shit about minorities after they were killed by police even though they were innocent.

That's simply the truth.

I have watched Charlie Kirk's debates from start to finish. He had a dishonest party line that he stuck to and gets destroyed by trained debaters who actually know the material.

I don't think he deserve to die the way he did.

And he was a a piece of shit.
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Once again, you come out and say "I don't think he deserve to die the way he did"

The way he died? This is the second time you said this...He didn't deserve to die in ANY WAY.

Thanks for once again showing your true colors
 
On man, you guys are upset that Jimmy Kimmel got fired from his job for free speech, its a attack on free speech you say....

but you know what's worse, imagine dying for it like Kirk did.
 
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