Politics CHARLIE KIRK SHOT IN UTAH

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Chris Craig said:
Ok then.

I don't think anyone is blindly following anything/one...well most aren't.
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You dont think most peolle on FB are reading truncated statements, misleading quotes and coming to conclusion without doing thorough research? Read the comments to those posts. Most clearly show alliance or defiance based off a headline tweet. No scrutiny. If it false in line with what they believe, they push it as fact.
This is absolutely happening en mass.
 
crandc said:
Someone want to debate error in science? I actually know a few things about it.

Remember cold fusion? Two physicists, Pons and Fleischman, announced they had achieved nuclear fusion at room temperature. This is very big deal. Like Nobel Prize big deal. The major obstacle to using fusion as energy source is the tremendous heat and pressure needed for hydrogen to fuse. That and keeping reaction under control so you don't get a hydrogen bomb. A whole new industry could be born. But numerous other physicists tried and no one could replicate their results. They kept saying the others were doing it wrong. Then closer analysis showed errors in their data. There never was any fusion. They could have admitted the error and been object lesson on theorizing ahead of data, but to the end of their day they insisted they were right and everyone else wrong. They were't silenced. They were discredited.

Remember Martian fossils? A rock known to have originated on Mars showed what were thought to be microscopic fossils. Again, huge deal. At press conference, all the photographers were jockeying for position to get a picture of the rock. Talk about being a rock star! I don't know a single scientist or lay person interested in science who didn't want this to be true. Unfortunately, the universe doesn't give a flying fuck what we want. The anomalies in the rock were from chemical reactions. Interesting in themselves, but not fossils. To this day we don't know if there ever was life on Mars. In this case the team admitted their error. They probably get ribbing about it but their lives went on.

Sometimes scientists get a bug up their ass. I respect Linus Pauling as a biologist and peace activist but megadoses of Vitamin C do not prevent or cure the common cold. Again, we wish it were true but the universe doesn't care what we want.

Some are less benign. Like those who insisted people of African descent were less intelligent than those of European descent and any effort to improve education was a waste.
Like Mullis, genuine scientist who went off the rails saying HIV does not cause AIDS, HIV is harmless, people got AIDS from recreational drugs. And insisted on his position no matter how much evidence there was that HIV does cause AIDS. He ended up a pariah in the scientific community. Not in a concentration camp. Not silenced.

Andrew Wakefeld is British ex doctor who said childhood vaccines caused autism. But review of his study showed that not only was it flawed, very small sample, limited follow-up, it was fraudulent. He faked data. He was stripped of medical license. Since then he has traveled the world feted by antivaxxers like brain worm. Far from being silenced, he doesn't shut up.

Of course scientists make mistakes. In fact there isn't a scientist dead or alive who has not make mistakes. But whether error denied, error acknowledged, malice or fraud, in each case it was scientists who uncovered the error/fraud. Scientists with knowledge of how experiments are set up and data analyzed. Not random dude on Facebook. Not someone claiming at third hand someone died of Covid vaccine and therefore it is bad because Joe Rogan said so.
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Now this is where you take shit out of context, like the last sentence. I never said taking the Vaccine was bad did I? and in fact Rogan never said that, so don't go twist words. Funny stuff.

I said it depends on the persons age and health prior to getting covid, and from first hand experiences know someone that passed from a vaccine shot. Now that is facts!
 
Chris Craig said:
Calling him what you did was a personal insult. I get your ire, but I think we can get points across here while staying classy even if others might not be.
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I didn't see what he said, and whatever it was wouldn't have bothered me anyways.

Someone must be super sensitive to get upset over words someone types about you over the internet that you will never see in your life.

Maybe I'm old fashioned or thick skinned but it wouldn't have bothered me. But I respect you keeping things on a certain level here.

I think we all have views, regardless if you think someone is wrong or right or whatever.

Water under the bridge, there is more important things in life then to get upset or bothered by what someone thinks or says about you online.

Spend time with your love ones and make each day count is more important imo
 
bulls_with_booz said:
Everything I've read about him so far is that he was a normal college dropout who talked about not liking Charlie Kirk at the dinner table one night. Nothing about being far left or far right. He might be the first genuine radical centrist!
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I'm sure the FBI will get to the bottom of this, and that the official story will be accurate to the facts, without any agenda.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
This is why us as people must dialogue amongst ourselves. Instead of “you are an idiot, i saw it/read it! You are harmful to society, you are evil, you are a nazi, you are a libtard,” we need more of “here is what I found on the topic. Have you found something different? Lets compare and analyze together and see which line of info has the most truth to it.”

This is all ive been trying to say. Hatred just creates more hatred. So many smart people here and it saddens me so much so so many want to try to make me out as some bad guy defending bigotry, when im not at all. Im simply saying we, as commoners need to come together and discuss what we are seeing and go over the details so us as a whole are unified on the truth. Echo chambers do not do this. It takes both sides to come together to compare the differences they find in the info, research it and discover which has more validity. He have got to stop reading headlines and then lash out at those who see the headline differently than we do.
Yall make me sad that most of you cant really say, “I agree with some of that, but not this, and here is why…” without taking it personal, trying to paint me as harmful to society for expressing what i believe is the need for more dialogue and less anger.
Many talk about aggressive, angry, hateful words having consequences, yet use very degrading and negative statements to me and each other without a clue, the very behavior many despise is what many are helping spread.

I'm just shaking my head in sadness really that this is not a place to be able to discuss ones opinion of how we can get better without such negative backlash.
The hypocrisy is so astounding…
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I have already agreed with you that dialogue would be great. Discourse would be great. But, in this current climate, not just on here, but everywhere around the country it's near impossibility and that's sad.

Name calling is sad. I'm not calling someone a Nazi unless they actually espousing those ideologies and that is and has happened. Those views are welcome and espoused by the current administration. That's a hard to set aside.

I get not all people on the right subscribe to those ideologies. And for those people to be called Nazi is hurtful. Those idealogies are coming from the right. From people in the Republican party. So, people get angry at everyone in that party, because if you stay part of that party, then you aren't denouncing those idealogies. And it's not just Nazism.

It would be beneficial for Republicans/conservatives who don't agree with those idealogies and such to stand up and say so. To speak out against them. I think that could bring more to the table in terms of having meaningful dialogue.

Then there are are tenants of both parties that neither side will ever come to agreement on. Abortion vs Women's rights. Gay Marriage. The Rights of the LBTGQ community. Healthcare. Helping people out of poverty. Etc.

Can you see why people on the left are upset? Do you see the rights that have been taken away?

What rights are the left taking away from the right? I don't know that there any terrible idealogies on the left other than the far far left which isn't even the left. It's just anarchists.

The difference I see is one party jumped way across the spectrum while the other has stayed more towards the middle. There has been small movements to go further left for the Democratic party, but it hasn't really taken in the mainstream of the party.

What are the bad idealogies? Socialism probably the big one huh? The desire for Universal healthcare? Income equality? Stuff like that?
 
sheed30 said:
I didn't see what he said, and whatever it was wouldn't have bothered me anyways.

Someone must be super sensitive to get upset over words someone types about you over the internet that you will never see in your life.

Maybe I'm old fashioned or thick skinned but it wouldn't have bothered me. But I respect you keeping things on a certain level here.

I think we all have views, regardless if you think someone is wrong or right or whatever.

Water under the bridge, there is more important things in life then to get upset or bothered by what someone thinks or says about you online.

Spend time with your love ones and make each day count is more important imo
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Whether it would have bothered you is neither here nor there. The rules are the rules and they are in place for a reason.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
You dont think most peolle on FB are reading truncated statements, misleading quotes and coming to conclusion without doing thorough research? Read the comments to those posts. Most clearly show alliance or defiance based off a headline tweet. No scrutiny. If it false in line with what they believe, they push it as fact.
This is absolutely happening en mass.
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Oh for sure. There is a lot of misinformation on there and people going along. I'm talking about outside of social media. I think most people are certainly questioning things and not taking things at face value.
 
Everything Beagle said:
I'm sure the FBI will get to the bottom of this, and that the official story will be accurate to the facts, without any agenda.
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I sidestepped the inscriptions on the unused ammo because of my overall skepticism of the FBI's official narrative. I actually just learned that "hey fascist, catch this!" is from a video game called Helldivers 2. So if that was actually real, it leans more into this being an apolitical hit. Like he would've been a mass shooter if someone he disliked wasn't speaking nearby. He was apparently suicidal when confronted by his dad.
 
bulls_with_booz said:
I sidestepped the inscriptions on the unused ammo because of my overall skepticism of the FBI's official narrative. I actually just learned that "hey fascist, catch this!" is from a video game called Helldivers 2. So if that was actually real, it leans more into this being an apolitical hit. Like he would've been a mass shooter if someone he disliked wasn't speaking nearby. He was apparently suicidal when confronted by his dad.
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I'm glad he's no longer a groyper then. He was in 2018.
 
sheed30 said:
Now this is where you take shit out of context, like the last sentence. I never said taking the Vaccine was bad did I? and in fact Rogan never said that, so don't go twist words. Funny stuff.

I said it depends on the persons age and health prior to getting covid, and from first hand experiences know someone that passed from a vaccine shot. Now that is facts!
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Dude, first hand means it happened to you. Second hand means it happened to someone else who told you. Third hand means it happened to someone who told someone who told you.
I am sorry about your friend's mom. I know nothing about her health. Not sure you do. At any rate, I can't opine on her cause of death and question whether you have knowledge to do so.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/12/suspect-charlie-kirk-shooting?s=09

Interesting read. He came from a Trump family, it seems, or at least Republican. But was notably the only member who deviated from their views.

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He was "pretty left on everything" seems normal to me. I don't think either side will get their extremist.
 
Strenuus said:
The word left is there, hes extreme.

Just as the same would be if it said right.
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I agree that it will likely be perceived that way. He was in high-school in an era where young people were deeply politically activated, and they still are. I think he was a leftist, sure, but killing Charlie Kirk was more of a substitute for the typical maniac mass shooting spree.
 
Strenuus said:
Imagine being so fucking stupid you believe this. Lol. They are all so fucking stupid.
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Most people aren’t like us forum perverts (on either side of this argument). Most people just want to be told what to believe so they can stop thinking so hard. They see someone come on, say the magic words (“you’re right, it’s what you thought.”) and they go back to sleep.
 
bulls_with_booz said:
I agree that it will likely be perceived that way. He was in high-school in an era where young people were deeply politically activated, and they still are. I think he was a leftist, sure, but killing Charlie Kirk was more of a substitute for the typical maniac mass shooting spree.
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The only thing that makes me think he could be a leftist is that he actually hit the guy.
 
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