Charlotte Bobcats vs. Chicago Bulls

[Denny Crane]

I don't think they're paying as much attention to the team-oriented part, as they are here:

Again, you're distorting his argument and taking one sentence out of context to do so.

 

[GMJ]

Again, you're distorting his argument and taking one sentence out of context to do so.

I'm not distorting anything! I just quoted a part of his post and said that's what I think people are paying attention to.

 

[Kid Chocolate]

Calling Watson and Mohammad good players doesn't refute anything. Calling Arenas a dominant scorer and a good player doesn't refute anything.
Saying Mohammad contributed for a team oriented team (SAS) touches upon something, but doesn't refute anything.
Saying Arenas fits in well with your other players doesn't refute anything.

 

[Denny Crane]

Calling Watson and Mohammad good players doesn't refute anything.

He said they're good and they're team players; specifically that Mohammad proved he's a team player by playing in a team system and doing well.

Calling Arenas a dominant scorer and a good player doesn't refute anything.
Saying Mohammad contributed for a team oriented team (SAS) touches upon something, but doesn't refute anything.
Saying Arenas fits in well with your other players doesn't refute anything.

In terms of rhetoric, he's made an assertion and supported it with factual argument. Unless you disagree Arenas is a dominant player and good scorer. Saying he fits in well with my other players absolutely addresses the team as a unit vs. Arenas as a player.

Or do you disagree that Mohammad contributed for a team oriented team? That is indisputable.

What he is refuting is an unsupported assertion that these players are not team oriented.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm not distorting anything! I just quoted a part of his post and said that's what I think people are paying attention to.

See the bolded part.

 

[GMJ]

"The team plays well together" because Arenas is a great scorer makes no goddamn sense.

 

[Denny Crane]

"The team plays well together" because Arenas is a great scorer makes no goddamn sense.

The team needs a great scorer to win, it's implied, and fully consistent with his argument.

 

[J_Ray]

Calling Watson and Mohammad good players doesn't refute anything. Calling Arenas a dominant scorer and a good player doesn't refute anything.
Saying Mohammad contributed for a team oriented team (SAS) touches upon something, but doesn't refute anything.
Saying Arenas fits in well with your other players doesn't refute anything.

Making assumptions that you are smart enough to connect stuff was a bad assumption I guess. It's all one debate, and I had already made my point like Denny Crane has said. Maybe if you learned how to read before posting, instead of skimming, you would realize this.....

 

[GMJ]

"The team plays well together" because Arenas is a great scorer makes no goddamn sense.

 

[Kid Chocolate]

Where'd he say Watson was a good team player?

Saying "they are good players" doesn't mean that they are good TEAM players. He could have said they are good TEAM players, but he didn't.
Saying Arenas is a dominant scorer and good player is irrelevant. Saying he fits on that team doesn't support anything that he's a good team player. You can put Iverson on a team with 4 non-scorers and say he fits well with that team because he can dominate the ball and score, but that doesn't mean he's a good team player. That's a false assumption.

 

[Kid Chocolate]

Making assumptions that you are smart enough to connect stuff was a bad assumption I guess. It's all one debate, and I had already made my point like Denny Crane has said. Maybe if you learned how to read before posting, instead of skimming, you would realize this.....

Once again, ad-hominem. Try to keep up. Just try.

If you can't talk like an adult, don't respond to me.

 

[Denny Crane]

"The team plays well together" because Arenas is a great scorer makes no goddamn sense.

Another straw man.

His argument is that he fits well with the team as a unit. It's in the sentence you removed, altering / distorting his argument.

 

[Kid Chocolate]

Saying someone fits in well with a team does not equate to "he is a team oriented player".

 

[Denny Crane]

Once again, ad-hominem. Try to keep up. Just try.

If you can't talk like an adult, don't respond to me.

Oops! No ad homenim there.

 

[Denny Crane]

Saying someone fits in well with a team does not equate to "he is a team oriented player".

You're distorting his argument to maintain the straw man.

Why don't you refute that he's a team oriented player, as an assertion with supporting fact/evidence?

 

[Kid Chocolate]

Oops! No ad homenim there.

Maybe if you learned how to read before posting, instead of skimming, you would realize this.....

...

 

[Kid Chocolate]

You're distorting his argument to maintain the straw man.

Why don't you refute that he's a team oriented player, as an assertion with supporting fact/evidence?

Why should I have to? I'm not arguing for or against it, just stating that J-Ray used a straw man to try to refute it.

 

[Denny Crane]

Why should I have to? I'm not arguing for or against it, just stating that J-Ray used a straw man to try to refute it.

Again, you're distorting his argument, ignoring his actual argument, and setting up the "straw man" straw man argument as a distraction.

"Maybe if you learned how to read before posting, instead of skimming, you would realize this....."

That's not an ad-hominem. It is an accusation, tho.

 

[J_Ray]

Once again, ad-hominem. Try to keep up. Just try.

If you can't talk like an adult, don't respond to me.

I was replying to everything in one general posts rather than posting numerous meanless posts that are off topic. You are the one that's here arguing like a child instead of just accepting what Denny has told you. It's obvious as day, yet you continue to quit arguing and posting youtube videos showing how stubborn you really are.

Saying someone fits in well with a team does not equate to "he is a team oriented player".

Hmm....kinda funny how fitting in well with a team doesn't mean your a team oriented player. You obviously have to find a niche on a team if your team oriented.....IDK just saying

 

[GMJ]

His argument is that he fits well with the team as a unit.

Because he's such a good scorer. That makes sense to me.

 

[pegs]

Um. Gilbert Arenas is definitely not a team player. See the Wizards this past season. When he was out, they played so much better as a team. They had a system where you need to play as a team, and they were much successful in that system without Arenas. When Arenas did come in, he disrupted team flow. He is not a team player.

 

[GMJ]

Um. Gilbert Arenas is definitely not a team player. See the Wizards this past season. When he was out, they played so much better as a team. They had a system where you need to play as a team, and they were much successful in that system without Arenas. When Arenas did come in, he disrupted team flow. He is not a team player.

No they are though, because he can score well.

 

[Denny Crane]

My argument would be something like this (Arenas):

He's clearly a team player. His teams have mostly been playoff teams, and he's been the primary ball handler and in that role he's set up his teammates well - so well that he's had ~2x 20+ PPG teammates while still being able to get his own points. When his teammates have been injured, he's carried an extra load.

 

[Denny Crane]

No they are though, because he can score well.

There's the straw man. Perfect example.

 

[pegs]

My argument would be something like this (Arenas):

He's clearly a team player. His teams have mostly been playoff teams, and he's been the primary ball handler and in that role he's set up his teammates well - so well that he's had ~2x 20+ PPG teammates while still being able to get his own points. When his teammates have been injured, he's carried an extra load.

Um. Gilbert Arenas is definitely not a team player. See the Wizards this past season. When he was out, they played so much better as a team. They had a system where you need to play as a team, and they were much successful in that system without Arenas. When Arenas did come in, he disrupted team flow. He is not a team player.

Hmmm? His team was a playoff team without him....

 

[Denny Crane]

Hmmm? His team was a playoff team without him....

My argument is not that his team is only a playoff team if he plays.

 

[Kid Chocolate]

I was replying to everything in one general posts rather than posting numerous meanless posts that are off topic. You are the one that's here arguing like a child instead of just accepting what Denny has told you. It's obvious as day, yet you continue to quit arguing and posting youtube videos showing how stubborn you really are.

Ha! That's so silly.

Why do we post at this forum? We should just accept things people say, regardless of whether we agree with them or think they are wrong, no point in arguing! Isn't that what we are here for?
Why do you post on this forum if you want to just accept what people tell you and not engage in dialogue?

 

[Denny Crane]

I was replying to everything in one general posts rather than posting numerous meanless posts that are off topic. You are the one that's here arguing like a child instead of just accepting what Denny has told you. It's obvious as day, yet you continue to quit arguing and posting youtube videos showing how stubborn you really are.

No offense intended, but this kind of thing doesn't add anything useful to your fine argument.

 

[GMJ]

My argument would be something like this (Arenas):

He's clearly a team player. His teams have mostly been playoff teams, and he's been the primary ball handler and in that role he's set up his teammates well - so well that he's had ~2x 20+ PPG teammates while still being able to get his own points. When his teammates have been injured, he's carried an extra load.

See, that makes sense. You did so without needing to support that idea with his scoring ability, and it ended up being sound.

 

[Kid Chocolate]

I'm literally laughing though, at the "just accept what he told you" line.
That's great.


"Gilbert Arenas is not a good scorer, don't be stubborn, accept what I'm saying!"