Charlotte Bobcats vs. Chicago Bulls

[pegs]

My argument is not that his team is only a playoff team if he plays.

So? I can't argue that with you that it's a moot point?

 

[GMJ]

You are the one that's here arguing like a child instead of just accepting what Denny has told you.

And there goes the argument.

 

[Denny Crane]

So? I can't argue that with you?

You can, but you're not addressing my actual argument. Read the wikipedia link that KC posted

 

[Denny Crane]

See, that makes sense. You did so without needing to support that idea with his scoring ability, and it ended up being sound.

I wrote:

"while still being able to get his own points"

 

[GMJ]

I wrote:

"while still being able to get his own points"

Yeah it's great that he can score too. Go back a couple of posts and see the word I italicized. Read that and you'll get it.

 

[pegs]

You can, but you're not addressing my actual argument. Read the wikipedia link that KC posted

I did address your actual argument, and then I added something afterwards. Stop being a dick.

 

[Denny Crane]

I did address your actual argument, and then I added something afterwards. Stop being a dick.

LOL, no you didn't.

If you want to refute my argument, show WHY Arenas isn't a team player, supported with evidence.

Your argument is analgous to "Yao isn't a team player because look at the Rockets' record without him!" It'd work for any star player on any playoff team.

 

[pegs]

LOL, no you didn't.

If you want to refute my argument, show WHY Arenas isn't a team player, supported with evidence.

Your argument is analgous to "Yao isn't a team player because look at the Rockets' record without him!" It'd work for any star player on any playoff team.

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1697634&postcount=51
http://sportstwo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1697639&postcount=55

I posted it twice! Now stop fucking around with me, it's not cute

 

[Denny Crane]

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1697634&postcount=51
http://sportstwo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1697639&postcount=55

I posted it twice! Now stop fucking around with me, it's not cute

How did they play "so much better" as a team? What's the proof of that. People have been laughing in this thread at the notion of taking someone's word for that kind of thing.

Same is true for him somehow disrupting the team. When exactly did he disrupt the team, and how can anyone objectively tell that he did?

And neither of those support your final assertion that he's not a team player (which is the only bit of it that addresses my argument). An argument along those lines would look something like:

"He never passes, shoots every opportunity he gets, only cares about his stats, his teammates aren't successful, his teams lose, etc."

 

[pegs]

How did they play "so much better" as a team? What's the proof of that. People have been laughing in this thread at the notion of taking someone's word for that kind of thing.

Same is true for him somehow disrupting the team. When exactly did he disrupt the team, and how can anyone objectively tell that he did?

And neither of those support your final assertion that he's not a team player (which is the only bit of it that addresses my argument). An argument along those lines would look something like:

"He never passes, shoots every opportunity he gets, only cares about his stats, his teammates aren't successful, his teams lose, etc."

Go watch a few games

 

[Denny Crane]

Go watch a few games

That's subjective, not objective.

It's also the "take my word as truth" thing that people were laughing at.

I'm not playing around here, I'm really looking for a coherent argument on your part.

 

[J_Ray]

Um. Gilbert Arenas is definitely not a team player. See the Wizards this past season. When he was out, they played so much better as a team. They had a system where you need to play as a team, and they were much successful in that system without Arenas. When Arenas did come in, he disrupted team flow. He is not a team player.

Arenas tried to comeback early and obviously wasn't the same player playing less than 100%. It's unfair to compare this year's team to the team that Arenas has played with. The Wizards had more depth this year with Blatche, Nick Young, Roger Mason, and Haywood having a career year. Arenas led the Wizards to the 2nd round and then 2 wins against the Cavs, but without them they got swept and only got 2 wins against Cavs again. Arenas hasn't had the chance to play with the same talent they had this year, so to say they were better without Arenas is unfair since he hasn't had a chance to play with that talent yet.

 

[GMJ]

I'm voting for the Bobcats because of their F.O. You just can't trivialize the effect of a good GM and coach over the season, and in the playoffs.

The Bulls on the other hand make Isiah Thomas look like Popovich.

 

[Kid Chocolate]

Then you march into this thread acting like a douche, (which is nothing new for you)

Maybe if you learned how to read before posting,

4. Flame wars are not allowed. We do tolerate poking fun of one another in good fun, but hateful posts towards another poster are not allowed.

And I need to quote this for ridiculousness.

You are the one that's here arguing like a child instead of just accepting what Denny has told you.