Notice Chauncey Billups new Portland Trail Blazers head coach

[Propagandist]

I think it's unfair to say that Dame endorsing a wife-beater and/or a possible rapist to do a particular job is a commentary on Dame's character. Some people believe personal and professional attributes can and should be separated; others disagree. Neither position is right or wrong.

Separately, regarding the implication that you have personal knowledge of Dame being unfaithful to his wife-- I'm certainly not a fan of that. But I'm not sure exactly how that equates to him not respecting women. Seems more like that equates to him not respecting monogamy.

Obviously everyone is entitled to an opinion. Mine is that endorsing wife beaters and potential sex offenders is in fact a reflection of your character.

 

[Jon]

blazers reddit in shambles

theyre absolutely pissed that chauncey got the job (mainly due to rape allegation)

Blazers reddit is a cancer anyway. Full of sjw's that you better not disagree with or they all get butthurt and start treating you like shit. Literal cancel culture sub.

 

[Tince]

Totally agree with this. But I can also see the side that would have rather just went with someone else without this sort of public detail out there.

Either way, some of the stuff I'm reading on other sites is just completely over the top. It's so easy to pass judgment on someone when you know the entire context of your own life but only a small part of someone else's.

For sure, I hear you.. it would make life easier.

I guess I try to put myself in the shoes of someone who was falsely accused (again, not saying Billups). Do they deserve a life punishment of not being a candidate for high profile positions?

 

[B-Roy]

By the way, Dave's Killer Bread is the "official bread" of the Portland Trailblazers (as we are reminded on every broadcast), and that company was literally started by a convicted felon. I know Dave Dahl isn't coaching the team but it's a pretty visible sponsorship that shows up in various places on the Blazers periphery. Where's the outrage here?

 

[Scalma]

Obviously everyone is entitled to an opinion. Mine is that endorsing wife beaters and potential sex offenders is in fact a reflection of your character.

And putting the two in the same sentence is a reflection of yours.

 

[Tince]

not for everyone….

Totally... that's my point... unless you've walked in those shoes, you probably should project what that feels like. Same goes for coming forward with a legit accusation and being dismissed.

 

[Tince]

that’s what I don’t understand. The people that jump to conclusions don’t even consider the possibility that Billups might actually be innocent? Like another person wouldn’t be motivated by money to lie? (And it just so happens to be a woman.)

I’m not saying he is innocent, but I’m also not saying he’s guilty. I (and everyone else in the world that wasn’t there that night) literally do not know. It’s gonna take more than that for my moral compass to kick in. If that makes me a shitty person, so be it. I won’t lose sleep.

I fully agree with this... even the part that you may be a shitty person... welcome to the club!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

pretty much.

This isnt at you at all just not posting a separate post.


I have to say after reading this thread this place has hit a new low.
The moral superiority oozing from some on here without having facts, claiming they arent judging but doing precisely that, is simply sickening.
Some of you should really get off social media… and get off your high horse while your at it.
Man this place can be a bummer sometimes…


I read something on the internet!! Its now a fact and im ending you, your career and everything around you because i read something and im just gonna assume its all true and ill come to my own factual conclusion….

to go so far as to condemn Dame on this?

Some of you are simply whacked out of your mind and need a swift smack upside the head to knock some sense back into the sensitive snowflaked brain currently being used…

stop judging without having all the facts…. My God people…..like you all know more than the accused, the victim and those involved in the investigation….

I know this post is directed at me and I apologize.

 

[Tince]

Obviously everyone is entitled to an opinion. Mine is that endorsing wife beaters and potential sex offenders is in fact a reflection of your character.

Isn't everyone a "potential sex offender" in the sense that they could be? Seems like an odd designation.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

By the way, Dave's Killer Bread is the "official bread" of the Portland Trailblazers (as we are reminded on every broadcast), and that company was literally started by a convicted felon. I know Dave Dahl isn't coaching the team but it's a pretty visible sponsorship that shows up in various places on the Blazers periphery. Where's the outrage here?

I believe Dave's Killer Bread became the official bread after Dave and his family sold the company.

 

[Mediocre Man]

everyone has baggage

(waiting for the, “Becky Hammons has no baggage” comments. they might be right. but my belief is that everyone has baggage.)

Credible rape allegations seems more than “baggage”

 

[B-Roy]

I believe Dave's Killer Bread became the official bread after Dave and his family sold the company.

Fair enough, but I don't think anyone thought about this enough to even knows that detail either way.

 

[Propagandist]

that’s what I don’t understand. The people that jump to conclusions don’t even consider the possibility that Billups might actually be innocent? Like another person wouldn’t be motivated by money to lie? (And it just so happens to be a woman.)

I’m not saying he is innocent, but I’m also not saying he’s guilty. I (and everyone else in the world that wasn’t there that night) literally do not know. It’s gonna take more than that for my moral compass to kick in. If that makes me a shitty person, so be it. I won’t lose sleep.

Your position seems to be the consensus. And it shouldn't surprise me, but it does.

The point isn't about canceling Billups as much as it's about why spend all these years building and lauding this "culture" just to turn away from it? And for Chauncey Billups of all people? It essentially negates that narrative, THE narrative Olshey most loves to discuss so much.

 

[Tince]

Credible rape allegations seems more than “baggage”

I agree that a credible rape allegation is more than baggage.

My concern is who decides what is credible and what isn't? The legal system? If the media reports it vs it happening behind closed doors? Canzano? Twitter?

 

[Scalma]

I agree that a credible rape allegation is more than baggage.

My concern is who decides what is credible and what isn't? The legal system? Canzano? Twitter?

blazers edge.

 

[Tince]

blazers edge.

It seems that way, for some.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Obviously everyone is entitled to an opinion. Mine is that endorsing wife beaters and potential sex offenders is in fact a reflection of your character.

Wife beaters and sex offenders shouldn't be given opportunity to contribute to society in the manner in which they'd be most effectively able to do so?

 

[Scalma]

It seems that way, for some.

how are they still operating? Who reads that shit anyway? I only accidentally run across their stuff and it always has a negative backdrop, no matter the subject.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I agree that a credible rape allegation is more than baggage.

My concern is who decides what is credible and what isn't? The legal system? If the media reports it vs it happening behind closed doors? Canzano? Twitter?

credible in the sense that

He was there
He admitted to sex with her
She named him as an offender
His story of it being at his house
Rape kit shows potential rape
Nurse called police after rape kit


That’s credible to me and should give any rational person some hesitation in endorsing him

That being said, I’m sure he’s been vetted a few times, and seems to pass, so in that case you kinda have to give him the benefit of the doubt

 

[Mediocre Man]

Wife beaters and sex offenders shouldn't be given opportunity to contribute to society in the manner in which they'd be most effectively able to do so?

What about accused sex offenders that were never charged or convicted?

 

[Natebishop3]

Wife beaters and sex offenders shouldn't be given opportunity to contribute to society in the manner in which they'd be most effectively able to do so?

I think it’s indicative of how this country is. We talk about it wanting to rehabilitate criminals and be more like some European countries but we don’t really forgive criminals. We just like the idea of rehabilitation.

 

[BBert]

It is surreal when jerk-offs like this guy state with absolute certainty something they cannot possibly know anything about. Guy needs to check his self then fuck himself.

 

[Propagandist]

Wife beaters and sex offenders shouldn't be given opportunity to contribute to society in the manner in which they'd be most effectively able to do so?

Are you kidding with me?

Maybe having daughters skews my view, I don't know. Try this out: go to your daughter or wife or mother and explain the situation--the allegations, the denial, the settlement, etc--and say what all of you are saying in here to them. Tell them at worst he raped a 22 year old woman and at best he ran a train on her. Then tell them you are happy the Blazers hired him.

 

[Scalma]

Tell them at worst he raped a 22 year old woman and at best he ran a train on her.

One of those sound like a choice. Or are women absolved of personal responsibility?

 

[Tince]

credible in the sense that

He was there
He admitted to sex with her
She named him as an offender
His story of it being at his house
Rape kit shows potential rape
Nurse called police after rape kit


That’s credible to me and should give any rational person some hesitation in endorsing him

That being said, I’m sure he’s been vetted a few times, and seems to pass, so in that case you kinda have to give him the benefit of the doubt

Again, as I have stated before, I do not have enough information in this case to personally feel like I can say he's guiltly or being falsely accused. I'm in the middle.

In the eyes of the law, no charges were made after the police were notified. I don't believe that proves him innocent either.

Toronto, Denver, Orlando, Minnesota, Detroit, New York, LA, ESPN, and the Blazers could be totally blind to what is obvious to people here, Canzano, and Blazers edge.

I don't know... Since I don't know, I'm not going to say Billups deserves to be burned at the stake, a lifetime ban from obtaining a coaching position, or that we should all feel sorry for him for being falsely accused. I don't know.

If/when there is evidence that comes to light that proves either extreme to be highly likely, I will change my stance.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Again, as I have stated before, I do not have enough information in this case to personally feel like I can say he's guiltly or being falsely accused. I'm in the middle.

In the eyes of the law, no charges were made after the police were notified. I don't believe that proves him innocent either.

Toronto, Denver, Orlando, Minnesota, Detroit, New York, LA, ESPN, and the Blazers could be totally blind to what is obvious to people here, Canzano, and Blazers edge.

I don't know... Since I don't know, I'm not going to say Billups deserves to be burned at the stake, a lifetime ban from obtaining a coaching position, or that we should all feel sorry for him for being falsely accused. I don't know.

If/when there is evidence that comes to light that proves either extreme to be highly likely, I will change my stance.

I think that’s the only fair and rational thing to do

 

[BBert]

Here’s something I don’t understand, why did it take this long for this to become a problem for him?

It’s taken this long for lynch mobs to become socially acceptable. Again.

Also: Portland

 

[Propagandist]

One of those sound like a choice. Or are women absolved of personal responsibility?

Yeah and most importantly: what was she wearing?

Can I say objectively that you suck or is that against the forum rules?

 

[Scalma]

Yeah and most importantly: what was she wearing?

Can I say objectively that you suck or is that against the forum rules?

Idk but I can objectively say you avoided the question. Jog on.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Yeah and most importantly: what was she wearing?

Can I say objectively that you suck or is that against the forum rules?

I would prefer if you said, your opinions on this subject suck.