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are you happy that chauncey billups got the job

  • yes

    Votes: 80 59.7%
  • no

    Votes: 10 7.5%
  • yes, but he was not my first choice

    Votes: 19 14.2%
  • meh, im indifferent

    Votes: 25 18.7%

  • Total voters
    134
That would be a mistake. Throughout this process, I have not seen anything that says Billups has not been forthcoming and open during his hiring about what happened that night. Seems to me that it's the process that was used to hire him. If someone is going to fired over this it needs to be Olshey.
You guys are saying the same thing. He was saying this is the nail in Olshey's coffin. That's the weird thing here. I think these articles will make it so the controversial hire (Chauncey) will out live the controversy. I don't think the same can be said as confidently for Olshey but the guy has fucked a lot of shit up for this team and is still here kicking. So we'll see.
 
I've merged a few threads into this one but this thread is about the hiring of Billups and all of this is directly on topic with that.

We do have a separate thread for Billups coaching staff.

If you want to make a new thread about his coaching style or play calling but I think this thread is fine.
Fortunately, I am not a Mod. I'd make a new thread called "Billups Conspiracy Theory", mark it OT, and move these posts there.
Just as a reminder, no evidence was presented that Billups was at the alleged crime scene - including the plaintiff's testimony!

The Billups thread should be about basketball - his potential strengths and weaknesses as a coach, his effects on young players,... not this shit.
 
Nah, it's that El Camino, may have to go in person on Saturday. I wonder how much that $8,000 beauty is going to sell for?

The Pacer would have been fun to destroy but that has too low of miles to do that.
With those windows you could use it for a grow house.

:cheers:
 
It doesn't seem that the team did what Olshey said they did. That's the story here. Honestly, every one of these stories that has addressed the Chauncey side of this thing has made him seem more innocent than he did when the DA exonerated him 22 years ago and neither the accuser or evidence placed him in the room.

That being said, this last article wasn't about Chauncey's innocence or guilt it was about the hiring process itself and whether (as Olshey promised) there was a thorough investigation by the team "because some things are bigger than basketball". When you ask everyone in the world to take your word for something, you shouldn't be arrogant enough to think the world is going to. They're going to check it out. It seems that checking it out has done nothing to make Chauncey a liar but it does seem to make Olshey one.

Right, I get it, it's more repackaged Olshey hate. Actually, I learned this a while back. Let's put the sock on the other foot:

Do you know your credit card numbers and expiration dates? Do you know all of your are all of your passwords?
What? It's "proprietary"? Don't be an arrogant fuck, just tell us what they are.

<Rando getting on a message board>
Hey, everyone, s2 would be great if it wasn't for @blazerkor , let's crucify him.

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idk, man. This feels like bs to me. Not fair to you, not fair to Neil.
 
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"Jeez, isn't a guy allowed to rape somebody just ONCE, TWENTY-FOUR YEARS AGO?"

Not saying he did, but unless you mean something like the above, you seem to know with iron certainty that he didn't.
The alleged victim doesn't want to deal with this. She also signed the settlement.

There is no evidence that Billups did anything wrong other than infidelity, and he is still married to the same woman. So even that is moot.

At this point it's just cruel to the alleged victim to keep hashing it out.

The people involved have been punished and the person who made the complaint is satisfied that no further punishment is needed.
 
The accuser doesn't want to be outed or bothered with this. That's not a shortcoming of the investigation. It's respecting a person's privacy.

Plus the settlement includes an NDA, as they always do.
Did you read the article? Jane Doe's lawyer is not saying what you're saying. Not at all.
 
Right, I get it, it's more repackaged Olshey hate. Actually, I learned this a while back. Let's put the sock on the other foot:

Do you know your credit card numbers and expiration dates? Do you know all of your are all of your passwords?
What? It's "proprietary"? Don't be an arrogant fuck, just tell us.

<Rando getting on a message board>
Hey, everyone, s2 would be great if it wasn't for @blazerkor , let's crucify him.

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idk, man. This feels like bs to me. Not fair to you, not fair to Neil.
i wish this would go away too, but it is kinda sad when OPB does more due diligence and background research than Olshey, though. I've been backing Neil for a while now, and hiding behind the veil of "proprietary" was something I agreed with until it came out that it was clearly a cover up. the sad thing was if he had just flat out done his homework and been transparent, there wouldn't be this kinda backlash.
 
Right, I get it, it's more repackaged Olshey hate. Actually, I learned this a while back. Let's put the sock on the other foot:

Do you know your credit card numbers and expiration dates? Do you know all of your are all of your passwords?
What? It's "proprietary"? Don't be an arrogant fuck, just tell us what they are.

<Rando getting on a message board>
Hey, everyone, s2 would be great if it wasn't for @blazerkor , let's crucify him.

----------------------
idk, man. This feels like bs to me. Not fair to you, not fair to Neil.
Neil said it was proprietary and that's fine. I wouldn't expect him to share the details of the investigation. Then he said that everyone would have to take his word for it, that the investigation was thorough and the OPB article from Tuesday shows that the investigation was not thorough.

How in the fuck am I asking Neil for his passwords? I'm asking why he lied, told everyone to take his word for it and now you're defending him for some reason? The lie wasn't that the info was proprietary, the lie was that the investigation was thorough and it was compounded by him talking about how some things are bigger than basketball and then putting everything on his word. Why should anyone trust Neil's word ever again?
 
The alleged victim doesn't want to deal with this. She also signed the settlement.

There is no evidence that Billups did anything wrong other than infidelity, and he is still married to the same woman. So even that is moot.

At this point it's just cruel to the alleged victim to keep hashing it out.

The people involved have been punished and the person who made the complaint is satisfied that no further punishment is needed.
This is not the tone of the alleged victim's lawyer in the OPB article. This is an assumption being made by you. Maybe the team made the same assumption during the investigation but assumptions are the opposite of thorough.
 
Neil said it was proprietary and that's fine. I wouldn't expect him to share the details of the investigation. Then he said that everyone would have to take his word for it, that the investigation was thorough and the OPB article from Tuesday shows that the investigation was not thorough.

How in the fuck am I asking Neil for his passwords? I'm asking why he lied, told everyone to take his word for it and now you're defending him for some reason? The lie wasn't that the info was proprietary, the lie was that the investigation was thorough and it was compounded by him talking about how some things are bigger than basketball and then putting everything on his word. Why should anyone trust Neil's word ever again?

People didn't read the article. They just saw it and assumed it was some opinionated hit piece. There's definitely a slant in the article, but there's also important information that we didn't know before. The funniest part is the Neil (or whoever was handling the investigation) didn't even contact the person who was the DA at the time who didn't decide to press charges on Billups! This is the guy that is still supporting Billups! It's clear as day there was little to no investigation done on Neil's part. He's absolutely botched the process piece of this.
 
People didn't read the article. They just saw it and assumed it was some opinionated hit piece. There's definitely a slant in the article, but there's also important information that we didn't know before. The funniest part is the Neil (or whoever was handling the investigation) didn't even contact the person who was the DA at the time who didn't decide to press charges on Billups! This is the guy that is still supporting Billups! It's clear as day there was little to no investigation done on Neil's part. He's absolutely botched the process piece of this.
i think he rationalized it as Portland being Portland again. He prolly thought 'everyone else in the league hired Chauncey without issue, why shouldn't I?'
 
What better way to sway Damian Lillard to a big market than to sow some garbage around the team and the new coach....this is how the Lakers or Knicks get away with tampering without seeming to be tampering...this was never about Chauncey or Olshey...it was about getting our franchise player to demand a trade. Fuck all that media hype...play basketball and tell them all to fuck back off to their big markets
 
i wish this would go away too, but it is kinda sad when OPB does more due diligence and background research than Olshey, though. I've been backing Neil for a while now, and hiding behind the veil of "proprietary" was something I agreed with until it came out that it was clearly a cover up. the sad thing was if he had just flat out done his homework and been transparent, there wouldn't be this kinda backlash.
Hey, if you're right, you have every right to be concerned. But, I practically live on these message boards for the last month, and I have no evidence about OPB doing more than Neil. What'd they do? Did they establish that there is no proof that Billups was even at Walker's house? Because, that would be news. How do you know what Neil did? By his own admission, it was proprietary? Lots are skeptical about Neil, but he did hire someone to look into it. Is he supposed to investigate himself?
 
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Neil said it was proprietary and that's fine. I wouldn't expect him to share the details of the investigation. Then he said that everyone would have to take his word for it, that the investigation was thorough and the OPB article from Tuesday shows that the investigation was not thorough.

How in the fuck am I asking Neil for his passwords? I'm asking why he lied, told everyone to take his word for it and now you're defending him for some reason? The lie wasn't that the info was proprietary, the lie was that the investigation was thorough and it was compounded by him talking about how some things are bigger than basketball and then putting everything on his word. Why should anyone trust Neil's word ever again?
hook me up with a link. If I haven't already read it, I'll read it.
 
I don't understand how interviewing people today who already said all they had to say on the record 25 years ago would have any value. At all. There is a robust record. Nobody's current recollection is going to be more valuable than what is already in the record. The only things we don't know are things that were sealed by mutual consent, and which are part of an NDA.

My biggest issue though is dragging the accuser into the current conversation and shining a giant public spotlight on her, solely to satisfy other people's personal agenda's. The people who claim to be so outraged by unsubstantiated allegations about someone, someone who has essentially been cleared of those allegations, clearly do not give one single fuck about the wellbeing of the accuser.

I personally care more about the accuser than I do about Chauncy Billups. The matter was resolved almost 25 years ago. There is literally nothing new to see here.

:cheers:
 
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Fortunately, I am not a Mod. I'd make a new thread called "Billups Conspiracy Theory", mark it OT, and move these posts there.
Just as a reminder, no evidence was presented that Billups was at the alleged crime scene - including the plaintiff's testimony!

The Billups thread should be about basketball - his potential strengths and weaknesses as a coach, his effects on young players,... not this shit.

It would be easier to make the thread you are asking this one to be. I'm not going to go through and move the vast majority of over 1600 posts out of this thread nor am I going to ask anyone else to.
 
I don't understand how interviewing people today who already said all they had to say on the record 25 years ago would have any value. At all. There is a robust record. Nobody's current recollection is going to be more valuable than what is already in the record. The only things we don't know are things that were sealed by mutual consent, and which are part of an NDA.

My biggest issue though is dragging the accuser into the current conversation and shining a giant public spotlight on her, solely to satisfy other people's personal agenda's. The people who claim to be so outraged by unsubstantiated allegations about someone, someone who has essentially been cleared of those allegations, clearly do not give one single fuck about the wellbeing of the accuser.

I personally care more about the accuser than I do about Chauncy Billups. However, the matter was resolved almost 25 years ago. There is literally nothing new to see here.

:cheers:
Typical male bullshit. You think rehashing this with the victim is a cost too high for increasing Dia's time in the national limelight?
#DiA4EvaR
 
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It would be easier to make the thread you are asking this one to be. I'm not going to go through and move the vast majority of over 1600 posts out of this thread nor am I going to ask anyone else to.
I was telling you what I would do, not what was practical.

HOWEVER, it would easy for you to rename this thread as "Billups allegations" and mark it OT. Then, make a new thread called "Billups is the new coach - basketball discussions"
 
i think he rationalized it as Portland being Portland again. He prolly thought 'everyone else in the league hired Chauncey without issue, why shouldn't I?'

He's right. No one in Dallas gives a shit that Kidd was hired. And to some extent I agree with him, the standards here are unreasonable. But you can't come out, say you did a thorough investigation, and later we find out you lied to our faces.

Fucking scumbag.
 
I don't understand how interviewing people today who already said all they had to say on the record 25 years ago would have any value. At all. There is a robust record. Nobody's current recollection is going to be more valuable than what is already in the record. The only things we don't know are things that were sealed by mutual consent, and which are part of an NDA.

Nobody here is disagreeing. The people in this thread still talking about this are all on Billups side and are in favor of the hiring. The criticism is Olshey telling everyone they did a thorough investigation and then later we find it out it's a sham. The way Olshey has handled this situation has added more fuel to the fire. Case in point is that we shouldn't/wouldn't even have something to talk about right now if it wasn't for the way Olshey botched this whole "hiring investigation".
 
I was telling you what I would do, not what was practical.

HOWEVER, it would easy for you to rename this thread as "Billups allegations" and mark it OT. Then, make a new thread called "Billups is the new coach - basketball discussions"

I think your thread idea is great, I would make it but I can't think of a good first post. Sounds like you have some great ideas for that discussion.
 
Nobody here is disagreeing. The people in this thread still talking about this are all on Billups side and are in favor of the hiring. The criticism is Olshey telling everyone they did a thorough investigation and then later we find it out it's a sham. The way Olshey has handled this situation has added more fuel to the fire. Case in point is that we shouldn't/wouldn't even have something to talk about right now if it wasn't for the way Olshey botched this whole "hiring investigation".
What evidence that there was no investigation? Got a link? I must have missed it.
 
Nobody here is disagreeing. The people in this thread still talking about this are all on Billups side and are in favor of the hiring. The criticism is Olshey telling everyone they did a thorough investigation and then later we find it out it's a sham. The way Olshey has handled this situation has added more fuel to the fire. Case in point is that we shouldn't/wouldn't even have something to talk about right now if it wasn't for the way Olshey botched this whole "hiring investigation".
Gotcha

The fact that the shit storm was so big, and the storm is still raging (at least, some people are), is somewhat of an indictment of how the whole issue has been managed.

:cheers:
 
The irony is that if Olshey just did the investigation that OPB did (which basically comes to the same fucking conclusion), showed just a tiny bit of transparency about the process, the backlash would have mostly dissipated. There wouldn't be shit to criticize. Of course the truth will not come out, but there isn't enough there for people to continuously drag into the mud.
 

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