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are you happy that chauncey billups got the job

  • yes

    Votes: 80 59.7%

  • no

    Votes: 10 7.5%

  • yes, but he was not my first choice

    Votes: 19 14.2%

  • meh, im indifferent

    Votes: 25 18.7%
  • Total voters
    134
<-=*PdX*=-> said:
I mean, maybe Jody is playing some 4D chess here? Cant convince the Vulcans to fire Neil so she is giving him enough rope to hang himself with the backlash of this hire so she can fire him and hire Becky?
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I like the cut of your conspiracy my good man.

:cheers:
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
It is my belief that you made your comment to a black man. And if so, regardless of your own color (or his…..or mine) I found it offensive. Simple as that. Yeah, I know what happens when we assume………but then this whole site (and this thread in particular) is one big assumption. So you know where that leaves every one of us. Does that work for you?
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Ok, well, if you’re getting offended on an online message board over that comment, I don’t know what to tell you.

And with knowledge of the justice system, especially as it pertains to “black men”, any *decent* lawyer would tell Billups to cut bait and run and not to risk leaving his fate to a “jury of his peers” if presented the option of settling out of court.

If you want to see why any *decent* lawyer would do this, you can look up the statistics for heavy handed sentences being given to black men, unfair trials, as well as wrongful convictions and probably much more.

Using an analogy from another sport, “don’t leave it to the judges (jury in this case.)”

Not sure why you would find that offensive — given it’s pretty common advice from attorneys.

Especially if the “victim” (quotes because we do not know) is white.
 
B-Roy said:
Seems like your stance has shifted somewhat since the beginning of this 10 page thread.
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Has it? I just went back and I haven’t really said anything about the hire.

This isn’t being combative, but I’d love for you to show me what I said
 
What's to be happy about? I'm disappointed we didn't go after a proven coach, or have somebody in mind.

But there also weren't many great options. I would have preferred Udoka, but Boston is probably a better job.

Billups was a fine player with championship experience. So was Mo Cheeks.

I voted indifferent.
 
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Mediocre Man said:
Has it? I just went back and I haven’t really said anything about the hire.

This isn’t being combative, but I’d love for you to show me what I said
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I'm not being combative either. Nevermind, I went back and read most of them. Seemed mostly questioning the baggage. I thought you were firmly in the "Billups is a terrible person" camp because some of the posts have some negative connotations but it's actually pretty consistent with just "I don't know".
 
Two paws up from me!

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B-Roy said:
I'm not being combative either. Nevermind, I went back and read most of them. Seemed mostly questioning the baggage. I thought you were firmly in the "Billups is a terrible person" camp because some of the posts have some negative connotations but it's actually pretty consistent with just "I don't know".
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Ya, Kidd is a known piece of shit. Billups just might be one
 
Stevenson said:
I accuse you of rape.

There, now you have that "baggage" too.

Accusations are a dime a dozen. The POLICE didn't even charge him.
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The details are actually pretty interesting. The police had physical evidence (semen) and chose not to press charges. I also see people mentioning that Billups admitted to having sex with her as an admission of guilt, but he only admitted to oral sex with her while in the car.

Whatever the case, what happened that night at least with how it relates specifically to Billups probably operates under some gray area, as much as people want it to be black or white.
 
so am i right in this

admitted sexual interaction
she said rape and filed a report
medical input was more on the victim's side
they then settled.
It sounded like there was enough to press charges and nothing happened except $?

21yrs later

Blazer fans in shambles?


I'm a huge supporter of justice and personal choice and it seems like she sadly chose the money? if there was enough to charge them and get justice, id prefer they enjoy a cell instead. i guess we'll never know.
 
Phatguysrule said:
What's to be happy about? I'm disappointed we didn't go after a proven coach, or have somebody in mind.

But there also weren't many great options. I would have preferred Udoka, but Boston is probably a better job.

Billups was fine player with championship experience. So was Mo Cheeks.

I voted indifferent.
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Every day is a happy day now thats stotts isn't coach.

Every day would be a happier day if olshey were gone.
 
I really don't like how so many people are coming at this from a point of certainty. They're acting like they know, without a doubt, that Chauncey Billups raped this woman. We have no idea what happened that night. In fact, I don't think the accuser fully knows what happened that night. He was one of a bunch of guys who could have been there that night. Now, he might be guilty of knowing who did what, or maybe he's guilty of committing rape, but we don't know for sure and I really don't like how people are just assuming that he's guilty. They're acting like it's a certainty.
 
BlayZa said:
so am i right in this

admitted sexual interaction
she said rape and filed a report
medical input was more on the victim's side
they then settled.
It sounded like there was enough to press charges and nothing happened except $?

21yrs later

Blazer fans in shambles?


I'm a huge supporter of justice and personal choice and it seems like she sadly chose the money? if there was enough to charge them and get justice, id prefer they enjoy a cell instead. i guess we'll never know.
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If she went to trial her name would become public. In a city like Boston that would be horrific for someone who was a victim of rape. Going public for a criminal trial is worth it. Going public for a civil trial she would be called many things and her motivations would be questioned. Win or lose, she would most likely have to move. To have a settlement that keeps her name out of the public and allows her to get counseling and/or other means of help could be attractive and more beneficial to her.
 
I'm a little confused...is anyone here who's on the "stop attacking Billups as a rapist" boat arguing with people in this thread/forum? Or are the people up in arms about "SJW run amok, American culture melting down, innocent til proven guilty" all talking about people they saw on reddit/BlazersEdge?
 
I have no problem with people who say in the past 20 some years Billups has had no further issues. I have no problem with second chance. That as the father of daughters his mindset has changed.

And I think he'll be a good coach.

What is absolutely nauseating is a parade of men calling rape a mistake. Like putting stockings in the washing machine or adding too much salt to the soup. Or saying just get over it. Ask any woman who has been sexually assaulted if she is over it. Ever. Or saying what a terrible SJW cancel culture blah blah that anyone would mention it. Or that it didn't happen. Was her fault. Etc etc etc.

I am aware of Scottsboro, Emmitt Till et al and I know false rape charges have sickeningly been used to frame Black men. I also know rape is still the only crime where the victim has to prove she didn't want it to happen. Anyone ever hear of someone being carjacked and asked are you sure you didn't want him to have your car? Every woman and I suppose man who reports sexual assault will hear she is making it up, it's her fault and she must have wanted it, in fact all the above.

So if you think he is the best person for the job, fine. But know the conversation is going to happen. And frankly most of you are making it worse.

If he is hired, when he gets asked he cannot victim blame, self justify, or attack questioner.
 
tykendo said:
Winning is the great elixir. There will be some, who say " i'm not gonna support the Blazers anymore". But many of those are casual fans, who aren't fully engaged unless the team is on a run anyways. Bandwagoners if you will.
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"If you can't support the team when the coach is an accused rapist, you're just a bandwaggoner!"
 
I agree with first paragraph of @Strenuus if only he hadn't spoiled with snarky second paragraph.
Disagree everyone is potential rapist. Ironically I have known men for whom I have too much respect to consider they could ever rape.
 
i think he'll be a good coach and i think the conversation will happen regardless and it'll probably just come back to the known parts, again.
 
BlayZa said:
i think he'll be a good coach and i think the conversation will happen regardless and it'll probably just come back to the known parts, again.
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Dang, where is Tommy Chong when ya need him?

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crandc said:
I have no problem with people who say in the past 20 some years Billups has had no further issues. I have no problem with second chance. That as the father of daughters his mindset has changed.

And I think he'll be a good coach.

What is absolutely nauseating is a parade of men calling rape a mistake. Like putting stockings in the washing machine or adding too much salt to the soup. Or saying just get over it. Ask any woman who has been sexually assaulted if she is over it. Ever. Or saying what a terrible SJW cancel culture blah blah that anyone would mention it. Or that it didn't happen. Was her fault. Etc etc etc.

I am aware of Scottsboro, Emmitt Till et al and I know false rape charges have sickeningly been used to frame Black men. I also know rape is still the only crime where the victim has to prove she didn't want it to happen. Anyone ever hear of someone being carjacked and asked are you sure you didn't want him to have your car? Every woman and I suppose man who reports sexual assault will hear she is making it up, it's her fault and she must have wanted it, in fact all the above.

So if you think he is the best person for the job, fine. But know the conversation is going to happen. And frankly most of you are making it worse.

If he is hired, when he gets asked he cannot victim blame, self justify, or attack questioner.
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Here's the problem.... we don't know if it happened, and we'll never know. So the real question we all have to ask ourselves is whether we can live with having a coach with that giant question over their head? But I want people to stop throwing things like "second chance" around because we don't know for sure if he did it in the first place, and the guy has clearly already had a second chance and by all accounts has had no further issues.

He settled. He went on with his life. He hasn't committed any further crimes and has been an upstanding citizen.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Here's the problem.... we don't know if it happened, and we'll never know. So the real question we all have to ask ourselves is whether we can live with having a coach with that giant question over their head?
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That's up to each person, and that's cool. It's okay to discuss this--Billups deserves to still be part of society and be hired for jobs, but there's no societal moral or ethical rule that suggests that he and the incident that he was purported to be involved with can't be talked about.

It seems like some people are outraged that this is even a topic of discussion.
 
Minstrel said:
That's up to each person, and that's cool. It's okay to discuss this--Billups deserves to still be part of society and be hired for jobs, but there's no societal moral or ethical rule that suggests that he and the incident that he was purported to be involved with can't be talked about.

It seems like some people are outraged that this is even a topic of discussion.
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Because it's not as black and white as he did it or he didn't do it.

There are people who feel like 20 years is enough time to let something go.

There are people who feel like just the mere implication that he would be involved in something like this is enough to disqualify him from the job.

I personally think that the dude knows what happened that night, and he didn't speak up, so that makes him guilty. Either of rape or of being involved in said rape in one capacity or another.
 
God I feel like Trump is back. The drama and digging heels in and all that. It was a fun few months I guess. Now we can all enjoy the drama of the new coach.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Because it's not as black and white as he did it or he didn't do it.

There are people who feel like 20 years is enough time to let something go.

There are people who feel like just the mere implication that he would be involved in something like this is enough to disqualify him from the job.
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I get that. I'm not criticizing a particular view of this, I would just caution people not to try to shut down conversation. Not that anyone can, but acting like discussion about the rape accusation is itself an affront is going a bit too far, to me.

I personally think that the dude knows what happened that night, and he didn't speak up, so that makes him guilty. Either of rape or of being involved in said rape in one capacity or another.
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I'm here to validate you and tell you that I consider that an entirely reasonable opinion.
 
calvin natt said:
God I feel like Trump is back. The drama and digging heels in and all that. It was a fun few months I guess. Now we can all enjoy the drama of the new coach.
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Trump was easier. He never denied anything lol

He was a piece of shit and he knew he was a piece of shit and for some reason his supporters loved him for it because he "pwned the libs."
 
Natebishop3 said:
Trump was easier. He never denied anything lol

He was a piece of shit and he knew he was a piece of shit and for some reason his supporters loved him for it because he "pwned the libs."
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lol never denied anything? He couldn’t even admit he lost an election.

and didn’t billups say it was consensual? I’d say that’s denying it.
 
crandc said:
I agree with first paragraph of @Strenuus if only he hadn't spoiled with snarky second paragraph.
Disagree everyone is potential rapist. Ironically I have known men for whom I have too much respect to consider they could ever rape.
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Haha. That's fair. I had to be snarky because the perception of it is real.
 
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