Politics Civil War part 2! Which side will you fight for?

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Natebishop3 said:
Someone please tell me one thing that Trump has done that deserves admiration and loyalty?
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He won the election.

We used to have an orderly transition of government form one president to another, even of different parties.
 
Denny Crane said:
He won the election.

We used to have an orderly transition of government form one president to another, even of different parties.
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No.

Winning an election is a reward for running a good campaign. That's when you make promises. Simply winning an election is not a reason for loyalty.

It has been... what... 9 months since he won? What has he accomplished other than take a shit load of vacations? His track record so far supports my theory before he was even elected that it was all about winning and that he didn't really want the job.
 
Denny Crane said:
He won the election.

We used to have an orderly transition of government form one president to another, even of different parties.
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It's not the fault of the outgoing administration that the incoming administration is incompetent and doesn't listen to advice. E.g. "don't hire Mike Flynn".

barfo
 
Natebishop3 said:
No.

Winning an election is a reward for running a good campaign. That's when you make promises. Simply winning an election is not a reason for loyalty.

It has been... what... 9 months since he won? What has he accomplished other than take a shit load of vacations? His track record so far supports my theory before he was even elected that it was all about winning and that he didn't really want the job.
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Oh you gone and done it now. Denny's about to throw endless graphs at you. hf.
 
MarAzul said:
I am so please to be reassured. I see she has been called speaker in the past, but the dems have selected Pelosi! Perhaps you can tell us why Waters would be so inferior as to make her unelectable.

https://books.google.com/books?id=8cReG9otr68C&pg=PA13998&lpg=PA13998&dq=Speaker Maxine Waters&source=bl&ots=L3RK4gvfDz&sig=jwAVZ3c6TjfFjv9Y7WImxV8Jt6g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi67c-d1MDVAhUB12MKHdexD2IQ6AEIXTAN#v=onepage&q=Speaker Maxine Waters&f=false
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Big difference between acting Speaker and actual Speaker.

For one thing, she's even older than Pelosi.

barfo
 
honkicracker said:
Oh you gone and done it now. Denny's about to throw endless graphs at you. hf.
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Here's a graph!

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Natebishop3 said:
No.

Winning an election is a reward for running a good campaign. That's when you make promises. Simply winning an election is not a reason for loyalty.

It has been... what... 9 months since he won? What has he accomplished other than take a shit load of vacations? His track record so far supports my theory before he was even elected that it was all about winning and that he didn't really want the job.
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Nice theory.
 
Denny has an Atlantic article to prove how much Trump has achieved and it basically boils down to: he's appointed judges. Like every President.
 
Denny Crane said:
Nice theory.
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No, give me something. Something quantifiable. What has he done to deserve this kind of staunch loyalty? People are willing to fight and die for him and for what? What has he done?

Washington led our armies that won our independence.

Lincoln freed the slaves and kept the country together.

Roosevelt led us through the Great Depression and most of WWII.

Trump has done.... what exactly?
 
Natebishop3 said:
No, give me something. Something quantifiable. What has he done to deserve this kind of staunch loyalty? People are willing to fight and die for him and for what? What has he done?

Washington led our armies that won our independence.

Lincoln freed the slaves and kept the country together.

Roosevelt led us through the Great Depression and most of WWII.

Trump has done.... what exactly?
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He won them heart and mind in the early days of his campaign. He broke from establishment candidates to say the things that have simmered quietly in their heads but had no outlet in national politics until Trump--some of them intensely racist and xenophobic, of course, but some of the things were legitimate concerns about their economic way of life and even understandable concerns about their cultural way of life. Trump, of course, is a con man who only pretended to care about their concerns (even on immigration and globalization, Trump has never scrupled to forbear from using illegal immigrant labor or having products made overseas), but he said exactly the things that the people who now have undying loyalty for him despaired of ever hearing from a national politician.

So, at this point, there is nothing that will cost him their support. There won't be any "breaking point" with them. They don't judge his actions by a right/wrong scale--they judge what's right or wrong by what he does and the positions he stakes out. That ~20% of the voting public is essentially locked in for him. What will determine his fate is how much of the rest of the Republican voter base sticks with him.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Someone please tell me one thing that Trump has done that deserves admiration and loyalty?
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Mine or your?

Well I will go with mine, not just one but several.

He won.
Hillary lost.
Great new Justice
Probably another before Trump is done.
Boarder much more secure.
MS 13 being escorted out.
Stock market way up. My Daughter is happy, bought my house.
Stuff still in the mill,
Hillary's stuff is not.
Libs are whining
I am not.
 
MarAzul said:
Stock market way up. My Daughter is happy, bought my house.
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Stock market was way up under Obama too. Did you also give him credit for satisfying your daughter and putting you in a new house?
 
Minstrel said:
Did you also give him credit for satisfying your daughter and putting you in a new house?
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umm, I built the house. My daughter bought it. Obama had no play. but a place marker in history and more than double the debt.
 
MarAzul said:
What is with questions like this? Why would I give him credit for what you perceive? I have no need for phony equivalence.
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So stock market goes up under Obama, not important. Stock market goes up under Trump--genius President.

As I assumed--it's just that you like Trump as a person, so you'll invent reasons to consider him a good President, whether he is or not. I'm sure if the stock market dropped, you'd claim it was no fault of Trump's...probably something to do with Obama's deep state operatives.
 
Minstrel said:
Sure it was. It was a workers' revolution against the capitalist pig British.

You really never took Civics 101, did you?
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Actually it was a bourgeois revolution against a feudal monarchy.
 
MarAzul said:
Mine or your?

Well I will go with mine, not just one but several.

He won.
Hillary lost.
Great new Justice
Probably another before Trump is done.
Boarder much more secure.
MS 13 being escorted out.
Stock market way up. My Daughter is happy, bought my house.
Stuff still in the mill,
Hillary's stuff is not.
Libs are whining
I am not.
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Damn dude... that's a depressing list.

I think just about any Republican could have beaten Hillary. She was THAT bad.

A Supreme Court justice dying is not an accomplishment for Trump.

Show me how the border is more secure? So far I have only seen talk.

Stock market being up has nothing to do with Trump. He hasn't had time to implement any changes that would have affected the market.

None of this deserves this kind of loyalty. Which promises has he delivered on from his election?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Damn dude... that's a depressing list.

I think just about any Republican could have beaten Hillary. She was THAT bad.

A Supreme Court justice dying is not an accomplishment for Trump.

Show me how the border is more secure? So far I have only seen talk.

Stock market being up has nothing to do with Trump. He hasn't had time to implement any changes that would have affected the market.

None of this deserves this kind of loyalty. Which promises has he delivered on from his election?
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How many promises can you realistically deliver on within 7 months of your presidency? Especially when both parties seem to be what we thought they were (Insert Denny Green gif)... one massive shitstain party that "act" like they are different than each other, and an extremely biased media that has been pumping leftist propaganda more than ever on the people of our country.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
How many promises can you realistically deliver on within 7 months of your presidency? Especially when both parties seem to be what we thought they were (Insert Denny Green gif)... one massive shitstain party that "act" like they are different than each other, and an extremely biased media that has been pumping leftist propaganda more than ever on the people of our country.
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Isn't this a massive excuse that runs directly against his core promise that he's a unique deal-maker who can get things accomplished no matter what? You seem to be saying that he was a charlatan who promised superhuman ability to "clean up the swamp" but couldn't deliver.

And sure, seven months is a pretty short time frame to achieve all his promises, but the first six months are actually the most productive period in most Presidents' terms, as they're coming in at a high in their popularity and with a lot of political capital from having won an election. Achieving one or two major promises isn't unreasonable.
 
So far the Trumpers are coming up with better reasons to shoot libs. I'm seeing real hate on their part. You liberals are screwed.
 
Minstrel said:
Isn't this a massive excuse that runs directly against his core promise that he's a unique deal-maker who can get things accomplished no matter what? You seem to be saying that he was a charlatan who promised superhuman ability to "clean up the swamp" but couldn't deliver.

And sure, seven months is a pretty short time frame to achieve all his promises, but the first six months are actually the most productive period in most Presidents' terms, as they're coming in at a high in their popularity and with a lot of political capital from having won an election. Achieving one or two major promises isn't unreasonable.
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It is when both "parties" are currupt and upset that an outsider was elected over their company mouthpieces.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
It is when both "parties" are currupt and upset that an outsider was elected over their company mouthpieces.
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Again, his core promise--the premise that his entire rationale for election rested upon--was that he could "win," he could clean up the swamp, he could make deals happen because he was uniquely able to do so. Are you really seriously saying that the person you elected as a guy who would "win so much that you'll get tired of winning" and could make deals with anyone should be cut some slack because, geez guys, it's hard to clean up the system?

If so, you're following in Trump's footsteps, as he's repeatedly told us how easy things would be for him to do and then said, "Actually, it turns out this is really hard!" when he's failed miserably. Face it, you were sold a bill of goods and were fooled by a con man.
 
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