CJ Extended

[Reep]

Okay......why am I not thrilled about this extension? $100M for 3 years of streaky play?

I will say that he shows up in the playoffs. But he kind of needs to show up in the regular season too.....especially for $100M.

Am I wrong?

If it motivates CJ to get better, the way it motivated Dame, then it is probably a good deal. If it does not, and CJ isn't able to contribute when the shots aren't falling, then it will feel like a big anchor. I think CJ has enough pride to continue and work on his game to get his overall skill set up to where it should be for such a contract.

 

[CupWizier]

Okay......why am I not thrilled about this extension? $100M for 3 years of streaky play?

I will say that he shows up in the playoffs. But he kind of needs to show up in the regular season too.....especially for $100M.

Am I wrong?

He has been very consistent ever since he was inserted as a starter his 3rd season so yes, you are wrong. For whatever reason the scrutiny in the forum on McCollum is puzzling as I would bet if he was on another team those same people would likely be begging for a player of his caliber.

 

[Jade Falcon]

He has been very consistent ever since he was inserted as a starter his 3rd season so yes, you are wrong. For whatever reason the scrutiny in the forum on McCollum is puzzling as I would bet if he was on another team those same people would likely be begging for a player of his caliber.

Then I guess it's more of a judgement on Stott's poor coaching, rather than CJ's streaky performance.

 

[illmatic99]

Okay......why am I not thrilled about this extension? $100M for 3 years of streaky play?

I will say that he shows up in the playoffs. But he kind of needs to show up in the regular season too.....especially for $100M.

Am I wrong?

Cj has been the model of consistency. He's anything but streaky. Not especially efficient but consistent. You can write down his 22-3-3 in pen every night. There's value to that. And he's our best isolation scorer. Granted it takes him way too many dribbles for him to get to where he wants, he is one of the elite mid-range scorers in the league.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Cj has been the model of consistency. He's anything but streaky. Not especially efficient but consistent. You can write down his 22-3-3 in pen every night. There's value to that. And he's our best isolation scorer. Granted it takes him way too many dribbles for him to get to where he wants, he is one of the elite mid-range scorers in the league.

This is what I was looking for, thank you.

Don't get me wrong, I like the guy. But $100M for 22-3-3? Eh......

 

[Propagandist]

I like CJ a lot more than a lot of you.

 

[illmatic99]

This is what I was looking for, thank you.

Don't get me wrong, I like the guy. But $100M for 22-3-3? Eh......

It's below market rate for recent signings. Gonna be a good deal when the cap gets higher. Why not highlight the portion of my post mentioning his elite scoring from mid-range and isolation? You do get a spot of good with the bad.

 

[Jade Falcon]

I like CJ a lot more than a lot of you.

 

[Paine Tablet]

I like CJ a lot more than a lot of you.

I'm actually the opposite. There's an arrogance about C.J. that I find to be subtle, but I notice it. It's like he really thinks he's too cool for school sometimes. He's also made some hot political takes that I found mindless; though it was befitting the current woke culture and he was unduly praised for it, as other people are so often unduly praised for it. Maybe that is why you like him so much.

 

[H.C.]

But.... But... Simons is a lock for the HOF.
CJ is just holding Simons back.....
Signed RC2 posters 2019.

Spoiler

This is a great extension by NO

 

[e_blazer]

I like CJ a lot more than a lot of you.

Well duh. None of us are going to make that kind of dough.

 

[CupWizier]

Then I guess it's more of a judgement on Stott's poor coaching, rather than CJ's streaky performance.

That's definitely a strange jump to conclusion in response to what I posted. Stotts lead the team to the WCF. I'd say he did pretty good.

 

[wizenheimer]

And he's our best isolation scorer.

I don't think that's true, at least it wasn't in 2017-18.

* CJ scored 1.00 pts/possession in isolation; Dame score 1.05
* CJ scored 0.92 pts/possession as a PnR ball-handler; Dame scored 1.07
* CJ scored 0.96 pts/possession off screens; Dame scored 1.04
* CJ scored 0.81 pts/possession off handoffs; Dame scored 1.14

CJ didn't crack the 80th percentile in any of those categories

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CJ might look more clever and fluid than Dame, but he isn't nearly as effective or efficient

 

[RipCityDSCPL]

Yay..............

I guess I have to find a new custom title seeing as how CJ's going to be here for FIVE YEARS.

Sigh....................

 

[Jade Falcon]

That's definitely a strange jump to conclusion in response to what I posted. Stotts lead the team to the WCF. I'd say he did pretty good.

Wrong. DAME led the team to the WCF, not Stotts. Without Dame, we're a 30 win team. Without Stotts, we're still in the playoffs.

 

[CupWizier]

Wrong. DAME led the team to the WCF, not Stotts. Without Dame, we're a 30 win team. Without Stotts, we're still in the playoffs.

Oh please, now you're just arguing for arguments sake.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Oh please, now you're just arguing for arguments sake.

LMAO, you think Stotts is a championship-caliber coach?

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

I'm actually the opposite. There's an arrogance about C.J. that I find to be subtle, but I notice it. It's like he really thinks he's too cool for school sometimes. He's also made some hot political takes that I found mindless; though it was befitting the current woke culture and he was unduly praised for it, as other people are so often unduly praised for it. Maybe that is why you like him so much.

He's trying Paine Tablet.

 

[HailBlazers]

I can't imagine any team except Portland seeing much value in CJ locked into a 5 year deal for over 30M/year

Then your imagination is small.

If it motivates CJ to get better, the way it motivated Dame, then it is probably a good deal. If it does not, and CJ isn't able to contribute when the shots aren't falling, then it will feel like a big anchor. I think CJ has enough pride to continue and work on his game to get his overall skill set up to where it should be for such a contract.

May feel anchor-ish at times but it'll never actually be one. Like Bazemore big contracts will always have trade value and with the soft nature of NBA officiating scoring guards will always be at a premium.

 

[riverman]

I like loyalty....shoutout to CJ for planting his feet here. He loves the city, he wants to raise a family here...he's got my vote! This is how the Spurs built a dynasty....having a big 3

 

[THE HCP]

Okay......why am I not thrilled about this extension? $100M for 3 years of streaky play?

I will say that he shows up in the playoffs. But he kind of needs to show up in the regular season too.....especially for $100M.

Am I wrong?

Shit, CJ showed up when we needed him most and we got to the WCF. He's earned that check.

 

[THE HCP]

This is what I was looking for, thank you.

Don't get me wrong, I like the guy. But $100M for 22-3-3? Eh......

Are you not seeing the money being given out around the league? I think that's a pretty damn good deal for us.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Shit, CJ showed up when we needed him most and we got to the WCF. He's earned that check.

He was stellar in the playoffs, you are correct about that.

I just.....$100M for a guy who's never been an All-Star? Goddamn, that's a lot.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Are you not seeing the money being given out around the league? I think that's a pretty damn good deal for us.

To be fair, no, I haven't been paying attention.

 

[Jade Falcon]

I guess I kinda thought of him more like a 4-year $80 or $90 million guy. But 3/$100M....eh....okay. I guess.

 

[THE HCP]

He was stellar in the playoffs, you are correct about that.

I just.....$100M for a guy who's never been an All-Star? Goddamn, that's a lot.

Using whether or not a player makes an all star team to determine their worth is no longer the way to go. It just isn't in my opinion. It is a lot of money, but there are guys making more that I wouldn't want over him. Go check out some of those other contracts brother.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Using whether or not a player makes an all star team to determine their worth is no longer the way to go. It just isn't in my opinion. It is a lot of money, but there are guys making more that I wouldn't want over him. Go check out some of those other contracts brother.

Nah, I'll take your word for it. I guess I'm just a decade behind. If people here are comfortable with it, then I guess I'm good with it too. I personally never thought that he quite lived up to the first $105M we paid him. I thought he could have been a little more consistent at times....and that was a 5 year contract. So I guess I'm just sticker-shocked for the moment. But I do admit that the salary cap has changed dramatically since we drafted him.

Here's hoping the best for him, and his continuing improvement.....personally, I'd like to see his Defense improve, even slightly.

I haven't followed the other contracts being handed out because I can't click on a goddamn video without hearing some talking head drool over LeBron, KD, Kawhi, Davis, the Clippers, LA, or New York. So I haven't bothered much.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Using whether or not a player makes an all star team to determine their worth is no longer the way to go. It just isn't in my opinion. It is a lot of money, but there are guys making more that I wouldn't want over him. Go check out some of those other contracts brother.

Ok so we cant judge them by rings, we cant judge them by all star appearances, they get upset when their judged by analytics, is the eye test all we can use?

 

[THE HCP]

Ok so we cant judge them by rings, we cant judge them by all star appearances, they get upset when their judged by analytics, is the eye test all we can use?

Yes. That's how I judge players.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Yes. That's how I judge players.

So thats how you got 40 wins! lol.

We all tend to see what we want to see, while the eye test plays a big part in it, I think its good to try to use more tools than that.

Ive got no problem with the extension, but I can also see why some people get frustrated with his game.