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CupWizier said:
Phase one's guidelines was also to have 14 days of declining numbers. Does Florida meet that guideline?
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Nope. But it’s the governor’s decision. He’s going to have to answer if there is an infection explosion.
 
magnifier661 said:
Nope. But it’s the governor’s decision. He’s going to have to answer if there is an infection explosion.
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That is exactly what Trump wants. Someone else to blame it on. DeSantis only followed Trump's order to liberate. Trump will have to answer too.

It's going to be a shame when a mass amount of his supporters start getting taken out by Covid-19. Not going to be helpful for Trump in November. But, he's a "stable genius"
 
Chris Craig said:
That is exactly what Trump wants. Someone else to blame it on. DeSantis only followed Trump's order to liberate. Trump will have to answer too.

It's going to be a shame when a mass amount of his supporters start getting taken out by Covid-19
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The left: Why doesn’t Trump force states to close?

also the left: Trump doesn’t have the authority to open states.

also the left: Let’s blame Trump for allowing states to open on their own.

:dizzy:
 
magnifier661 said:
The left: Why doesn’t Trump force states to close?

also the left: Trump doesn’t have the authority to open states.

also the left: Let’s blame Trump for allowing states to open on their own.

:dizzy:
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Can't blame the "left"...that was the constitution speaking.
 
magnifier661 said:
So which is it? They asked Trump to force states to close too. So it’s okay to break the constitution as long as it’s aligned with the lefts agenda?
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Didn't say that.

...only saying that as a matter of constitutional law, Trump was wrong in claiming that he "calls the shots" on reopening states...he doesn't.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Didn't say that.

...only saying that as a matter of constitutional law, Trump was wrong in claiming that he "calls the shots" on reopening states...he doesn't.
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That’s fine. I guess we can say the left is wrong for assuming Trump has the authority to shut them down. Correct?
 
magnifier661 said:
That’s fine. I guess we can say the left is wrong for assuming Trump has the authority to shut them down. Correct?
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Your view is your own...you can say what you want...but I'm not obligated to agree.

I believe you also said earlier that you like to use FOX links instead of CNN so you wouldn't appear to be biased.
 
magnifier661 said:
The left: Why doesn’t Trump force states to close?

also the left: Trump doesn’t have the authority to open states.

also the left: Let’s blame Trump for allowing states to open on their own.

:dizzy:
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Nah, he shouldn't have forced anything in the beginning. He should have taken it seriously and called for a shutdown, talked about it with the governor's. Put everything on the table. He failed to have any reasonable leadership.

No he can't force the governor's to open states

But, right after he did speak with governors and came up with guidelines, beginning to do something close to the right thing, he immediately called for his supporters to liberate and rebel against those guidelines.

So, yeah when mass amounts of his supporters contract Covid-19 and die, that's on him and his butt buddy DeSantis.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Your view is your own...you can say what you want...but I'm not obligated to agree.
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I think that’s pretty weak. It’s not a view. Either the President has the power to shut down states or he doesn’t. If you think he can force states to shut down, then you have to agree he has the power to force them to open.
 
Chris Craig said:
Nah, he shouldn't have forced anything in the beginning. He should have taken it seriously and called for a shutdown, talked about it with the governor's. Put everything on the table. He failed to have any reasonable leadership.

No he can't force the governor's to open states

But, right after he did speak with governors and came up with guidelines, beginning to do something close to the right thing, he immediately called for his supporters to liberate and rebel against those guidelines.

So, yeah when mass amounts of his supporters contract Covid-19 and die, that's on him and his butt buddy DeSantis.
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Quite the risk. I guess we’ll see
 
magnifier661 said:
I think that’s pretty weak. It’s not a view. Either the President has the power to shut down states or he doesn’t. If you think he can force states to shut down, then you have to agree he has the power to force them to open.
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Go back and reread...I never argued that point. My point was that no, Trump does not have the constitutional power to force states to reopen, period.
 
magnifier661 said:
The left: Why doesn’t Trump force states to close?

also the left: Trump doesn’t have the authority to open states.

also the left: Let’s blame Trump for allowing states to open on their own.

:dizzy:
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The right: do what Trump says,
Also the right: don’t do what trump says, liberate
Also the right: it’s the governors in charge
Also the right: this isn’t trumps fault it’s the states fault
Also the right: the states should be in charge
 
yankeesince59 said:
Go back and reread...I never argued that point. My point was that no, Trump does not have the constitutional power to force states to reopen.
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I read that. And I also expanded that statement that he doesn’t have the power to shut them down.
 
Chris Craig said:
Nah, he shouldn't have forced anything in the beginning. He should have taken it seriously and called for a shutdown, talked about it with the governor's. Put everything on the table. He failed to have any reasonable leadership.

No he can't force the governor's to open states

But, right after he did speak with governors and came up with guidelines, beginning to do something close to the right thing, he immediately called for his supporters to liberate and rebel against those guidelines.

So, yeah when mass amounts of his supporters contract Covid-19 and die, that's on him and his butt buddy DeSantis.
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here’s to hopin
 
magnifier661 said:
Leaders risk the lives of others all throughout world history. Some risks pay off, others fail miserably.
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We aren't talking about the military here. We are talking about civilians. Some risks do pay off, but at what cost?
 
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