OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting (1 Viewer)

[Chris Craig]

Most my friends and are big time Trump supporters. Love the guy!

I can run circles around my friends as soon as politics are brought to discussion. In fact they hate even having the discussion with me. They aren’t very knowledgeable. I think that’s how Trump likes it.

but I love the guys like brothers and have been friends with these people 20+ years.

people who form opinions about other people based on their political beliefs are some of the worst

Some like coke, some like Pepsi. Skippy/jiffy. Chevy/Ford.

Pepsi, Skippy, Chevy

But, if you like Coke, Jif, or Fords that's ok too

 

[CupWizier]

Very good question.
1.) No politician is a role model. They are all liars and cheats, even Obama.
2.) My vote and defense for Trump isn’t about his persona, it’s about the policies.
3.) Any of my kids ever ask to put faith in a man or women, I tell them they should live by their principles. My oldest daughter is a Bernie supporter. We have our debates, but I respect her for her own decision.
4.) I absolutely love how Trump has totally destroyed the media’s strong hold on the people. I think the media is the enemy of the people. Felt that way long before Trump.
5.) I like how Trump is forcing the Republicans to fight for infrastructure and leftists’ policies. Forgot to add this.

What policies are you so high on and what policies don't you like of trump.

Do you think he has been able to bring this country closer together or pushed the country further apart?

 

[magnifier661]

What policies are you talking about? And what policies do you not agree with?

Agree:
1.) lowering regulations
2.) allow charter schooling
3.) bringing back manufacturing
4.) Stop shipping out jobs so corporations can have a better bottom line.
5.) Improve infrastructure
6.) lower presence around the world (stop using our tax dollars for endless wars).
7.) Border Security
There are others, but those are the biggest policies I support.

What I disagree with:
1.) Eliminating ObamaCare
2.) Limiting legal migration
3.) On the fence with abortion

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

He’s probably one of the best speakers of my lifetime. I would say Reagan was really good as well.

Trump is the wrecking ball I want to destroy the media. The more he attacks them, the more I love him. There’s a lot of collateral damage though, but the end of the media’s stranglehold on public opinion will make this country great again. Both sides will want to work together. The public will use their own minds again.

There are a few people on both ends of the spectrum that debunk the media's lies but they get demonitized or just shut down on YouTube and the likes.

The corporate media is disgusting. What is there, six big companies?

It is like McDonald's and Wendy's and the other big chains. For the lazy and not good for you.

 

[CupWizier]

I actually voted for Obama his first term. I was pretty upset when he didn’t bring the change he promised.

You do understand the McConnel vowed not to pass any Obama backed bill. How does one accomplish much with that kind of obstruction?

 

[magnifier661]

But, you claimed it above that only the governor had the power to reopen it, and it was on them, not Trump

I do believe in States should govern their own states and the federal government shouldn’t force states for anything. I also agree on civil liberties. No governor or President has a right to take that away.

 

[magnifier661]

You do understand the McConnel vowed not to pass any Obama backed bill. How does one accomplish much with that kind of obstruction?

Yep, that’s a stupid move. Obamacare (the idea of it at least) is a sound policy. I wish there was a bipartisan effort to actually make it work. I don’t care if it has the name Obama on it. Just make the damn thing work!

 

[MickZagger]

Pepsi, Skippy, Chevy

But, if you like Coke, Jif, or Fords that's ok too

I’m Hansen’s, Adams and Toyota

 

[magnifier661]

Also, if there is a time to borrow loads of money for Obamacare it’s now. I think we are borrowing at close to zero percent. If we are gonna go in debt, may as well use that low interest for shit we all can benefit from.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Yep, some of my very close friends, most Trump haters, we still hang. We are Bros till the end.

we just don’t bring up politics. They know my position and I know theirs. Sometimes we have our spats, but it will never destroy our friendships.

The funny thing is liberals telling us that conservatives don't know what they are talking about. I know this to be true because whenever I see a corporate media story about a big event I research actual footage. I can't recall many times that a Fox story was 100 percent fact but I can't recall a CNN version that was either.

Both are tilted towards their side.

My point is that both sides claim to know what they are talking about and I rarely find that either one does.

 

[magnifier661]

The funny thing is liberals telling us that conservatives don't know what they are talking about. I know this to be true because whenever I see a corporate media story about a big event I research actual footage. I can't recall many times that a Fox story was 100 percent fact but I can't recall a CNN version that was either.

Both are tilted towards their side.

My point is that both sides claim to know what they are talking about and I rarely find that either one does.

I usually like reading the Fox News articles (sensationalism), then find the supporting news. Much like I read left leaning news sources, eliminate all the sensationalism, and find the related links in their story.

 

[Chris Craig]

Agree:
1.) lowering regulations
2.) allow charter schooling
3.) bringing back manufacturing
4.) Stop shipping out jobs so corporations can have a better bottom line.
5.) Improve infrastructure
6.) lower presence around the world (stop using our tax dollars for endless wars).
7.) Border Security
There are others, but those are the biggest policies I support.

What I disagree with:
1.) Eliminating ObamaCare
2.) Limiting legal migration
3.) On the fence with abortion

He abandoned public schools.

He didn't bring back manufacturing or stop the shipping out of jobs. More factories have closed since he became president. All of his shit still gets made in China.

That lower presence around the world has made us weaker and our enemies stronger. We had a foot hold and we let it go.

Not to mention we have alienated our allies

Border security? You mean the few miles of wall that got built and people cut through with saws? Great security.

 

[CupWizier]

Yep, that’s a stupid move. Obamacare (the idea of it at least) is a sound policy. I wish there was a bipartisan effort to actually make it work. I don’t care if it has the name Obama on it. Just make the damn thing work!

But yet you blamed Obama for not getting much passed in the 2nd term and didn't blame McConnel. Why is that?

 

[magnifier661]

He abandoned public schools.

He didn't bring back manufacturing or stop the shipping out of jobs. More factories have closed since he became president. All of his shit still gets made in China.

That lower presence around the world has made us weaker and our enemies stronger. We had a foot hold and we let it go.

Not to mention we have alienated our allies

Border security? You mean the few miles of wall that got built and people cut through with saws? Great security.

You need congress for most the policies. And yes, he did bring back manufacturing jobs. I posted the jobs reports.

 

[Chris Craig]

I’m Hansen’s, Adams and Toyota

Nothing wrong with any of those. My last car was a Toyota. The new one might be too.

 

[magnifier661]

But yet you blamed Obama for not getting much passed in the 2nd term and didn't blame McConnel. Why is that?

I was salty! He had a super majority his first term. He could’ve gotten so many things passed. That First Step Act could of been his, but he was too focused on ObamaCare. That was his undoing.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I usually like reading the Fox News articles (sensationalism), then find the supporting news. Much like I read left leaning news sources, eliminate all the sensationalism, and find the related links in their story.

It pains me to say it but Fox is a million times better than the rest of them. The problem is that a million times .000001 isn't good.

Hannity and Lemon and shit like that should be on a completely different channel. It is natural that people want their news to align with what their millionaire commentators are saying. If they were wrong all the time why pay them?

 

[CupWizier]

You need congress for most the policies. And yes, he did bring back manufacturing jobs. I posted the jobs reports.

Problem with his bringing in jobs is that wages have remained very stagnant and the republicans refuse to raise minimum wage leaving many people struggling and unable to afford a home.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Nothing wrong with any of those. My last car was a Toyota. The new one might be too.

If you need a good car for transportation and that is your main goal there is no other choice.

If you can work on your own car you can pick something you like the looks of or has more features.

 

[Chris Craig]

There are a few people on both ends of the spectrum that debunk the media's lies but they get demonitized or just shut down on YouTube and the likes.

The corporate media is disgusting. What is there, six big companies?

It is like McDonald's and Wendy's and the other big chains. For the lazy and not good for you.

I agree with your disdain for the few corporations that control everything. It might even be down to 4 now. GE is a big one.

 

[magnifier661]

Problem with his bringing in jobs is that wages have remained very stagnant and the republicans refuse to raise minimum wage leaving many people struggling and unable to afford a home.

I’m not sure I agree with that (wages remain stagnant). Before this virus, wage increase was the highest improvement for decades for the lower and middle class. I’ll try and find the supporting links later. I also think the federal government shouldn’t be dictating the min wages for states. $15/hour is nothing in SoCal or New York, but it’s a big deal in Arkansas.

I think state governments should be setting up those policies. In fact, I think going even more local is better. Like Seattle raising the min wage because that area has more wealth to afford it.

 

[yankeesince59]

There have been drugs approved by the FDA that have become extremely dangerous no?

You're putting words in my mouth today, and you're better than that too. I said absolutely nothing about FDA approved drugs causing causing unforeseen issues, instead, I pointed to using that as a comparison was not a good one.

And there have been FDA approved drugs that have also been VERY effective and saved countless lives, no?

 

[calvin natt]

Liking Trump isn’t like liking Pepsi vs Coke though. I’m sure it was just in jest but that’s the thing. This a a significant decision, to support a terrible human being with 7 brain cells who incites hatred and violence is different creamy or crunchy peanut butter. You are who you surround yourself with. So if you take that to politics, it’s why so many people feel like @hcp. To me it’s not a whole lot different then saying “he’s been my friend since high school but now he is really into the KKK but hey he’s my boy”. Now before everyone gets their panties in a bunch again, sure the KKK is the worst and Trump doesn’t openly say he’s pro KKK but once again, everyone in the KKK loves him so, there’s that. He doesn’t exactly hate the KKK does he?

 

[magnifier661]

You're putting words in my mouth today, and you're better than that too. I said absolutely nothing about FDA approved drugs causing causing unforeseen issues, instead, I pointed to using that as a comparison was not a good one.

And there have been FDA approved drugs that have also been VERY effective saved countless lives, no?

Yes of course! And it’s not putting words in your mouth. Adding a question mark isn’t putting words in your mouth. I’m asking you a question.

the FDA is part of the federal government. Their decisions effect and risk lives, regardless on how strict and stringent they are. Lives are still at risk.

 

[CupWizier]

I was salty! He had a super majority his first term. He could’ve gotten so many things passed. That First Step Act could of been his, but he was too focused on ObamaCare. That was his undoing.

And that is false as he was also digging us out of a deep recession and got the country turned around and heading in the right direction.

You should read this article and you can see why your above statement isn't really true.

https://www.beaconjournal.com/article/20120909/NEWS/309099447

 

[CupWizier]

I’m not sure I agree with that (wages remain stagnant). Before this virus, wage increase was the highest improvement for decades for the lower and middle class. I’ll try and find the supporting links later. I also think the federal government shouldn’t be dictating the min wages for states. $15/hour is nothing in SoCal or New York, but it’s a big deal in Arkansas.

I think state governments should be setting up those policies. In fact, I think going even more local is better. Like Seattle raising the min wage because that area has more wealth to afford it.

States have the right to increase it more but a $7.95 federal min wage is a joke

 

[magnifier661]

Liking Trump isn’t like liking Pepsi vs Coke though. I’m sure it was just in jest but that’s the thing. This a a significant decision, to support a terrible human being with 7 brain cells who incites hatred and violence is different creamy or crunchy peanut butter. You are who you surround yourself with. So if you take that to politics, it’s why so many people feel like @hcp. To me it’s not a whole lot different then saying “he’s been my friend since high school but now he is really into the KKK but hey he’s my boy”. Now before everyone gets their panties in a bunch again, sure the KKK is the worst and Trump doesn’t openly say he’s pro KKK but once again, everyone in the KKK loves him so, there’s that. He doesn’t exactly hate the KKK does he?

Washington Post put together a good timeline on the Trump and KKK thing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...1/donald-trump-and-david-duke-for-the-record/

And every side has extreme groups. The left currently has Antifa. The right has the crazy Alt-right. They are very small factions of the political spectrum.

 

[Chris Craig]

I’m not sure I agree with that (wages remain stagnant). Before this virus, wage increase was the highest improvement for decades for the lower and middle class. I’ll try and find the supporting links later. I also think the federal government shouldn’t be dictating the min wages for states. $15/hour is nothing in SoCal or New York, but it’s a big deal in Arkansas.

I think state governments should be setting up those policies. In fact, I think going even more local is better. Like Seattle raising the min wage because that area has more wealth to afford it.

The issue with wages being raised, is that it is an incremental raise over a period of years and not an immediate one. By the time the full wage raise has finally arrived, inflation has made it inconsequential.

 

[MickZagger]

Liking Trump isn’t like liking Pepsi vs Coke though. I’m sure it was just in jest but that’s the thing. This a a significant decision, to support a terrible human being with 7 brain cells who incites hatred and violence is different creamy or crunchy peanut butter. You are who you surround yourself with. So if you take that to politics, it’s why so many people feel like @hcp. To me it’s not a whole lot different then saying “he’s been my friend since high school but now he is really into the KKK but hey he’s my boy”. Now before everyone gets their panties in a bunch again, sure the KKK is the worst and Trump doesn’t openly say he’s pro KKK but once again, everyone in the KKK loves him so, there’s that. He doesn’t exactly hate the KKK does he?

yes, I know the guy is scum. But that’s the thing. He caters to the masses of uneducated voters who for the most part are apolitical and think that’s its more American and Patriotic no matter who. As long as it’s a Republican

kudos to the Republican Party who have given off this sentiment to the majority of uneducated and thoughtless people that voting for their party means they’re as American as apple pie.

I think the KKK things is a lot more extreme than my peanut butter analogy.

because the majority of people I come across or know that are Trump supporters. Are either apolitical and feel it’s some kind of patriotic duty to vote republican, or they’re religious fanatics who believe that abortion/anti vaxx bullshit is their guide to every decision they make

 

[magnifier661]

And that is false as he was also digging us out of a deep recession and got the country turned around and heading in the right direction.

You should read this article and you can see why your above statement isn't really true.

https://www.beaconjournal.com/article/20120909/NEWS/309099447

Obama had a recovery out of recession. Trump also boosted that recovery during his first term. Fuck, are you gonna make me find links on how deregulation was like jet fuel for the economy?