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Coronavirus Victoria: Melbourne makes world history crushing second wave

Melbourne has endured one of the longest COVID-19 lockdowns in the world and finally, an end is in sight.

Debate will rage for decades over what worked, whether it was too long or whether the price in terms of jobs or unemployment was too high.

After 100 days confined to their homes and ordered not to leave for more than two hours of daily exercise – it started as a one hour limit – Victorians have lived a grim existence that few Australians outside of the state can understand.

But by enduring it and sticking to the plan, have Victorians also made history as one of the only cities across the globe to bring a second wave of coronavirus under control and return daily case numbers to zero?

Experts who spoke to news.com.au believe they have and outside of Singapore, it’s hard to think of any other city in the world that has done anything like it.

One of the nation’s most respected epidemiologists Dr Catherine Bennett of Deakin University told news.com.au that she believes what Victorians have achieved is of international significance.
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* "The researchers compared the coronavirus response of the U.S. to that of six other countries— South Korea, Japan, Australia, Germany, Canada, and France—and found that the American government’s response to the pandemic rated unfavorably against them all. The U.S. has suffered a COVID-19 fatality rate more than double that of Canada and 50 times that of Japan. Extrapolating from the deaths per 100,000 people in each country, the researchers estimated how the U.S. might have fared had it followed the example of a more robust response. The answer: always better than it did in reality.

“If the U.S. had followed Canadian policies and protocols, there might have only been 85,192 U.S. deaths—making more than 132,500 American deaths ‘avoidable.’ If the U.S. response had mirrored that of Germany, the U.S. may have only had 38,457 deaths—leaving 179,260 avoidable deaths,” the researchers wrote.

The researchers chose the half dozen countries that have achieved some level of success in responding to the pandemic.

“We should model ourselves on the best. We should be the best,” Redlener said. “We have the resources, the economy, the scientific expertise to do this the right way. We’re facing a lethal pandemic, and we had very misguided leadership that chose to berate the purveyors of masks and social distancing. The president himself became a superspreader. He has blood on his hands.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-c...-least-130000-avoidable-covid-deaths?ref=home
 
HailBlazers said:
Disagree with Redleners premise.

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lol...you'd have to actually correlate the percentage of Covid deaths to obesity being a contributing factor. You're just guessing, and it looks a lot like attempted deflection.

besides that, Canada is pretty close to the US on your obesity chart. The US obesity rate is 23% higher than Canada, but our mortality rate is 163% higher. The US Obesity rate is 54% higher than Germany, but the mortality rate is 476% higher.

swing and a miss HB

I know it's a radical idea but a doctor who is also a professor at Columbia and a public health expert might actually be capable of decent analysis of data that accounts for what the data shows
 
wizenheimer said:
lol...you'd have to actually correlate the percentage of Covid deaths to obesity being a contributing factor. You're just guessing, and it looks a lot like attempted deflection.

besides that, Canada is pretty close to the US on your obesity chart. The US obesity rate is 23% higher than Canada, but our mortality rate is 163% higher. The US Obesity rate is 54% higher than Germany, but the mortality rate is 476% higher.

swing and a miss HB

I know it's a radical idea but a doctor who is also a professor at Columbia and a public health expert might actually be capable of decent analysis of data that accounts for what the data shows
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I consider overall health a considerable contributing factor and the fact is America is extremely unhealthy. Saying we should be the best is not realistic.
 
HailBlazers said:
I consider overall health a considerable contributing factor and the fact is America is extremely unhealthy. Saying we should be the best is not realistic.
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fine then, you have a philosophy. But you supported that philosophy by citing obesity rates and I believe I showed that obesity does not control mortality rates

could it be a factor? sure. But Germany's death/million is 119. The US has an obesity rate about 54% above Germany. That would mean that if Obesity was the factor your tried to make it out to be, America's mortality rate would be 184 deaths/million. But the reality is our rate is 686 deaths/million, 3.7 times higher than the 'obesity-adjusted' rate of Germany

so, if there was an actual correlation to obesity, and that correlation would have to start with an infection rate equal to everybody else among the obese (good luck finding that), and using Germany as the baseline, then the US should have 59,000 dead, instead of 227,000.

I think the actual analysis you disagreed with was that our Covid response has been a disaster primarily because of the policies and actions of the federal government, and that far too many citizens operate under the illusion they know more than doctors, epidemiologists, and scientists
 
wizenheimer said:
fine then, you have a philosophy. But you supported that philosophy by citing obesity rates and I believe I showed that obesity does not control mortality rates

could it be a factor? sure. But Germany's death/million is 119. The US has an obesity rate about 54% above Germany. That would mean that if Obesity was the factor your tried to make it out to be, America's mortality rate would be 184 deaths/million. But the reality is our rate is 686 deaths/million, 3.7 times higher than the 'obesity-adjusted' rate of Germany

so, if there was an actual correlation to obesity, and that correlation would have to start with an infection rate equal to everybody else among the obese (good luck finding that), and using Germany as the baseline, then the US should have 59,000 dead, instead of 227,000.

I think the actual analysis you disagreed with was that our Covid response has been a disaster primarily because of the policies and actions of the federal government, and that far too many citizens operate under the illusion they know more than doctors, epidemiologists, and scientists
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Ding ding ding
 
HailBlazers said:
Dong dong dong

The following are the top underlying medical conditions linked with (94%) COVID-19 deaths.

* Influenza and pneumonia
* Respiratory failure
* Hypertensive disease
* Diabetes
* Vascular and unspecified dementia
* Cardiac Arrest
* Heart failure
* Renal failure

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...had-underlying-medical-conditions/ar-BB18wrA7
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so? there's no flu or hypertension in Germany?

in order to prove your argument you'd need to contrast US Covid comorbidity with Germany and Canada and South Korea. Not only that, you'd need to analyze the deaths in each nation categorized by attributed comorbidity. Then calculate the differences in terms of overall mortality. It might be an interesting project, but it would be massive

short of that, a radical idea is that if 95% of the people in Germany and Canada and South Korea accept that mask-wearing and social-distancing are important and adhere to the rules, while only 60% of US people do, that's going to have a much bigger impact than fat. And if Germany, Canada, & South Korea have extensive testing and tracking infrastructures (which they do), and we do not, that's going to have significant impact

when Obama left, the US had a pandemic response infrastructure in place. Trump destroyed it, just like he's destroyed the reputation of the CDC and sidelined it. All while lying about the danger of the pandemic and pushing big parts of the country into dangerous policies based upon those lies. And far too many people believe his stupid deadly bullshit and act on it
 
No doubt a person with health problems is more likely to succumb to Coronavirus, but young healthy people have died as well.

Other developed countries also have people with health problems but not the US death and infection rates.

These countries probably have fewer unhealthy people since they all have national health care. If Coat Hanger Coney provided the fifth vote to take health care away from 20 million Americans, look for death rate to go even higher.
 
I believe there are multiple strains out there, which is why the reaction to it is so varied.
 
In the 60 minutes interview he said we are testing the second most in the world (after India). Is this true?
 
ehizzy3 said:
In the 60 minutes interview he said we are testing the second most in the world (after India). Is this true?
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trumps always wants to jabber about totals when the reality is that testing per capita is the best gauge:

tests/million:

3 Andorra 1,778,159
4 Luxembourg 1,545,867
7 UAE 1,219,201
8 Iceland 975,562
9 Bahrain 965,539
10 Denmark 820,343
15 Singapore 594,471
16 Hong Kong 477,273
17 Israel 472,677
18 UK 453,103
19 USA 391,139
21 Russia 381,517
22 Belgium 369,430

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

next, you need to look at the rates of viral and antibody tests. Last I read, the US was using antibody tests a lot more than other countries and those are not only less reliable, they don't necessarily identify active infections
 
wizenheimer said:
fine then, you have a philosophy. But you supported that philosophy by citing obesity rates and I believe I showed that obesity does not control mortality rates

could it be a factor? sure. But Germany's death/million is 119. The US has an obesity rate about 54% above Germany. That would mean that if Obesity was the factor your tried to make it out to be, America's mortality rate would be 184 deaths/million. But the reality is our rate is 686 deaths/million, 3.7 times higher than the 'obesity-adjusted' rate of Germany

so, if there was an actual correlation to obesity, and that correlation would have to start with an infection rate equal to everybody else among the obese (good luck finding that), and using Germany as the baseline, then the US should have 59,000 dead, instead of 227,000.

I think the actual analysis you disagreed with was that our Covid response has been a disaster primarily because of the policies and actions of the federal government, and that far too many citizens operate under the illusion they know more than doctors, epidemiologists, and scientists
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It might be that the obesity related death rate is not linear with respect to the extent of the obesity.
 
UK researchers have developed a new risk prediction tool that estimates a person’s chance of hospitalisation and death from Covid-19.

The algorithm, which was constructed using data from more than eight million people across England, uses key factors such as age, ethnicity and body mass index to help identify individuals in the UK at risk of developing severe illness.

The research, published in The BMJ, was put together by a team of scientists across the UK, and has been praised for the depth and accuracy of its findings.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/me...alisation-and-death-from-covid-19/ar-BB1afb86
 



meanwhile Kate Brown announced that skating rinks and bowling could open
 
Went to the gym today first time in 3 months. Equipment spread apart, must wear mask, clean equipment. They have sessions that you make reservations for with a 1/2 hour between to scrub down everything.
 
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