OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

[tykendo]

Current Blazer Management,
Due to your dangerous and UnConstitutional requirements invading the personal healthcare and safety choices of all Americans, and your continued tacit approval-by-profit for China's Uyghur Slave Labor Camps, I will never again financially support your organization(s).

I look forward to the inevitable changes in ownership.
Sincerely,
Ed Benjamin

Show where in the Constitution it mentions Masks & Vaccines. And i suppose GOD gave you your gun rights too. Show me where in the Bible it says that.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Masks required too, which is a dealbreaker for me. Likely not going to attend any games where masks are required, it'll be more fun to just watch on TV tbh.

If everyone in attendance is vaccinated or has a negative test, why the mask mandate?

It's already more fun to watch on TV, regardless of masks.

 

[Phatguysrule]

That fact is the "vaccine" doesn't confer immunity or prevent transmission.

Yes it does. As well as nearly every other vaccine.

 

[julius]

Show where in the Constitution it mentions Masks & Vaccines. And i suppose GOD gave you your gun rights too. Show me where in the Bible it says that.

Winchester 3:16 says "and lo, may the boom stick of might be a right, giventh to you byeth godeth. Th."

 

[tykendo]

Winchester 3:16 says "and lo, may the boom stick of might be a right, giventh to you byeth godeth. Th."

Well dog gone

 

[HailBlazers]

I am fully vaccinated and will get my booster as soon as it’s available. That being said, fully vaxed shouldn’t mean shit. Negative tests and masks are really important. After being vaccinated, I got COVID. I had minor symptoms, but could spread it.

Everyone should be tested if anything. Fresh study out of Israel (not from facebook):

Background Immune protection following either vaccination or infection with SARS-CoV-2 decreases over time.
Conclusions This study demonstrates individuals who received the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine have different kinetics of antibody levels compared to patients who had been infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, with higher initial levels but a much faster exponential decrease in the first group.
Impact statement Large scale study display the kinetics of SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibodies present in individuals vaccinated with two doses of mRNA vaccine vs. unvaccinated patients who had recovered from the disease: initial levels of antibody are much higher in vaccinated patients, but decrease faster.

 

[illmatic99]

Everyone should be tested if anything. Fresh study out of Israel (not from facebook):

Background Immune protection following either vaccination or infection with SARS-CoV-2 decreases over time.
Conclusions This study demonstrates individuals who received the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine have different kinetics of antibody levels compared to patients who had been infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, with higher initial levels but a much faster exponential decrease in the first group.
Impact statement Large scale study display the kinetics of SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibodies present in individuals vaccinated with two doses of mRNA vaccine vs. unvaccinated patients who had recovered from the disease: initial levels of antibody are much higher in vaccinated patients, but decrease faster.

What does that suggest anything about testing? If anything, this highlights the need for boosters.

 

[noknobs]

You’re more than welcome to research anything that interests you. If you come up with something that contradicts what I said, feel free to post it.

I tried and found nothing of the sort, so feel free to post a link.

I did however find out that in the US the Roman Catholic Church has an estimated operating budget of $100 billion, so the fact you allege they give over 200 billion in aid to the US annually is extremely generous!

Interestingly enough, when I search for how much aid the church gave the US annually, the entire first page of google had a story about how the U.S. Roman Catholic Church "used a special and unprecedented exemption from federal rules to amass at least $1.4 billion in taxpayer-backed coronavirus aid, with many millions going to dioceses that have paid huge settlements or sought bankruptcy protection because of clergy sexual abuse cover-ups." The church actually used the federal government's signature small business relief program.

"As the pandemic began to unfold, scores of Catholic dioceses across the US received aid through the Paycheck Protection Program while sitting on well over $10bn in cash, short-term investments or other available funds, an Associated Press investigation has found. Despite the economic downturn, these assets have grown in many dioceses."

The numbers we're talking about are incredible. It's especially weird that an institution telling people to focus on faith and less on worldly possessions would be so wealthy. It’s as if that’s a primary motivation for them. It's a good thing they save tens of billions of dollars annually. "When they buy stuff, they don't pay sales taxes. When they sell stuff at a profit, they don't pay capital gains tax. If they spend less than they take in, they don't pay corporate income taxes. Priests, ministers, rabbis and the like get "parsonage exemptions" that let them deduct mortgage payments, rent and other living expenses when they're doing their income taxes. They also are the only group allowed to opt out of Social Security taxes (and benefits)."



Anyway, thanks for asking me to search for how charitable the Catholic Church is.

 

[barfo]

I also searched and couldn't find anything to back up jonnyboy's claim. It seems highly implausible.

barfo

 

[Fairly-Hard]

so what your saying is i never had to get vaxxed and could just keep wearing my mask?

No. What I'm saying is exactly what i said.

Just wasted way to much time reading the exact same argument that has been going on for a year and a half that has already been proven.
Masks are a tool to reduce the spread of the virus. They work.
If you don’t want to wear one then don’t but be prepared to be excluded from certain venues and public places until this is over.
Simple as that.

id also like to ask when it will be over?

Nobody anywhere has given you any kind of date when it will all be over. But they have shown you it is not over yet.

Again. Wasting time covering things that have been covered for many months.
To respond to the original statement. I am happy they are taking this seriously and i respect they are making the decision they are making but for me i will continue to social distance and watch games from home until the pandemic eases. I simply wear a mask for many hours every day and would rather not the rest of the day.

 

[jonnyboy]

That's not the way debates work.

I didn’t sign up for any debates.

 

[royo]

What does that suggest anything about testing? If anything, this highlights the need for boosters.

I think I agree with your conclusion before I make maths on it. Can you tell what AU means in AU/mL?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

But not everybody got vaccinated! Had they, we wouldn’t have to wear masks right right?

Everyone at the game will be vaccinated or will have had a negative COVID test to enter. But they still have to wear masks.

So to answer your question of "Had they (gotten vaccinated), we wouldn’t have to wear masks right right""

My answer is: No. Even if "they" had gotten vaccinated, in all likelihood, they still would force you to wear a mask. Because when they have a situation where its REQUIRED to be vaccinated or have a negative COVID test, they are forcing masks on you still. So I doubt their behavior would change on a larger scale, when they can't even get rid of them on a smaller scale.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Everyone at the game will be vaccinated or will have had a negative COVID test to enter. But they still have to wear masks.

So to answer your question of "Had they (gotten vaccinated), we wouldn’t have to wear masks right right""

My answer is: No. Even if "they" had gotten vaccinated, in all likelihood, they still would force you to wear a mask. Because when they have a situation where its REQUIRED to be vaccinated or have a negative COVID test, they are forcing masks on you still. So I doubt their behavior would change on a larger scale, when they can't even get rid of them on a smaller scale.

@RR7 and I have explained the logic for this above, and it's related to the presence of unvaccinated people (those with a negative test). In the hypothetical @THE HCP presented, those people don't exist, so this situation doesn't apply to that one.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

@RR7 and I have explained the logic for this above, and it's related to the presence of unvaccinated people (those with a negative test). In the hypothetical @THE HCP presented, those people don't exist, so this situation doesn't apply to that one.

There will always be unvaccinated people. So there will always be masks in this situation. Whether it be foreigners, illegals, or what not. Even if you comply and everyone is vaccinated, 100% will never be reached and even if it is, there will always be some kind of exception.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

There will always be unvaccinated people. So there will always be masks in this situation. Whether it be foreigners, illegals, or what not. Even if you comply and everyone is vaccinated, 100% will never be reached and even if it is, there will always be some kind of exception.

True. The need here (as mentioned above) is to get the vaccination levels to the point where the hospitalization levels in a maskless existence are sustainable. Right now, they're not.

I believe a maskless existence is feasible, just not with the vaccination levels where they currently are. I also think it's fair to assume that were we still dealing with the original version of this virus rather than the much more aggressive delta variant, we wouldn't be requiring masks right now anyway.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

True. The need here (as mentioned above) is to get the vaccination levels to the point where the hospitalization levels in a maskless existence are sustainable. Right now, they're not.

The best way to do that is to show everyone that vaccinations lead to normalcy. Entire stadiums of masked, fully vaccinated fans isn't the way to do so. It just tells people "even if I get vaxxed, I'll still need to wear a mask, so if masks work, why take the risk of the vaccine?"

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The best way to do that is to show everyone that vaccinations lead to normalcy. Entire stadiums of masked, fully vaccinated fans isn't the way to do so.

If the stadiums were all fully vaccinated fans, they might all be unmasked. But that's not the case.

 

[jonnyboy]

Anyway, thanks for asking me to search for how charitable the Catholic Church is.

I don’t recall asking you anything. And I don’t recall asking anyone to single out the Catholic Church specifically. I mentioned religions as a whole in my original post. Your angry, butt hurt rant about the Catholic Church misappropriating covid funds was neat, but had little to do with anything I said, nor did it disprove anything I said. I got the figure I mentioned from a quora column, it may be inaccurate. You’re still welcome to disprove it without whining about other irrelevant shit. I do believe my original point still stands, that was to oppose another poster’s notion that “the most widely practiced religions are inherently exclusive”. The large amount of charitable donations to non-members, whatever that figure may be, doesn’t support that theory.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

If the stadiums were all fully vaccinated fans, they might all be unmasked. But that's not the case.

Fully vaccinated + with recent, negative covid test. That's a barrier to entry and should be good enough.

I'm guessing the reason they are adding the "negative covid test" provision is a liability shield in case there are lawsuits from getting the vaccine since the manufacturer is shielded.

 

[HailBlazers]

Yes it does. As well as nearly every other vaccine.

Surely the CDC director wouldn't lie?

 

[noknobs]

I don’t recall asking you anything. And I don’t recall asking anyone to single out the Catholic Church specifically. I mentioned religions as a whole in my original post. Your angry, butt hurt rant about the Catholic Church misappropriating covid funds was neat, but had little to do with anything I said, nor did it disprove anything I said. I got the figure I mentioned from a quora column, it may be inaccurate. You’re still welcome to disprove it without whining about other irrelevant shit. I do believe my original point still stands, that was to oppose another poster’s notion that “the most widely practiced religions are inherently exclusive”. The large amount of charitable donations to non-members, whatever that figure may be, doesn’t support that theory.

You said, "You’re more than welcome to research anything that interests you. If you come up with something that contradicts what I said, feel free to post it." I was curious so I did.

but had little to do with anything I said, nor did it disprove anything I said.

Okay jonnyboy...

 

[dviss1]

To all you people that don't trust the doctors to prevent you from getting it...

Keep that same energy when you get Covid. Stay your ass at home and don't clog up medical facilities to save you from the disease either.

Heart and cancer patients are missing their treatments because of you antivaxxers...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Fully vaccinated + with recent, negative covid test. That's a barrier to entry and should be good enough.

I'm guessing the reason they are adding the "negative covid test" provision is a liability shield in case there are lawsuits from getting the vaccine since the manufacturer is shielded.

Again, you're (intentionally?) missing the point. The vaccinated can still spread the virus, but if they were only spreading it amongst one another, there would be little to no impact. But with the presence of those negative-tested-unvaccinated folks, now the ability of the vaccinated to transmit the virus from which they're mostly immune is an issue.

So again, if the stadium's occupants were 100% vaccinated, masks would arguably not be necessary. But they're not, so masks are needed to protect the unvaccinated.

 

[RR7]

Fully vaccinated + with recent, negative covid test. That's a barrier to entry and should be good enough.

I'm guessing the reason they are adding the "negative covid test" provision is a liability shield in case there are lawsuits from getting the vaccine since the manufacturer is shielded.

As has been mentioned, kids aren't eligible for the vaccine.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

As has been mentioned, kids aren't eligible for the vaccine.

Then you don't let them in.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Again, you're (intentionally?) missing the point. The vaccinated can still spread the virus, but if they were only spreading it amongst one another, there would be little to no impact. But with the presence of those negative-tested-unvaccinated folks, now the ability of the vaccinated to transmit the virus from which they're mostly immune is an issue.

So again, if the stadium's occupants were 100% vaccinated, masks would arguably not be necessary. But they're not, so masks are needed to protect the unvaccinated.

Why not ban unvaccinated persons then even with a COVID negative test? No exceptions, no kids.

This will ensure the safest possible scenario, even unmasked and it would encourage vaccinations.

 

[illmatic99]

I think I agree with your conclusion before I make maths on it. Can you tell what AU means in AU/mL?

Arbitrary units describing the amount of antibodies in a measure of blood volume. Has to do with IgG count as reference. Effectively, you can consider it as how many antibodies are present.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Surely the CDC director wouldn't lie?

You're reading into it what you want. 14% of positive tests in Oregon are vaccinated. If you become infected it doesn't prevent you from transmitting the disease to somebody else.

But the vaccinated are less likely to become infected.