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RR7 said:
Yes, I was paraphrasing. But semantics arguments are always fun.
You're creating hypothetical situations like you often tend to and then are demanding answers to them as if it proves anything at all. What are the odds? Who knows. I like the lesser odds of it happening, though, if everyone has a mask on.
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. Like i tend to do?

okay. Not sure what that means but whatever…

anyhow i asked his thoughts.

the hypothetical is the whole reason the masks are required. Just in case right? hypothetically speaking right?

Again. If everyone is vacced and everyone who isnt has tested negative recently, then why the masks?
We were told to get vacced to get rid of the masks.
Im sorry the goalpost keep changing and some of us question that and that questioning inferiorstes some so but hey


Just tape our mouths shit from asking questions and tell us to fall in line right?

I love how asking questions brings forth so much hostility from those who claim they for the good of others….

if so maybe dont get so angry and belittling and just try to understand not everyone thinks the same, facts are not out to determine clearly whether masks will help IN THIS SITUATION

and many of us have been falling in line but feel like we just het pushed from one line to the next.

Again. Im fully vaxxed. I wear my mask everywhere required. But i have a right to ask questions and frankly the responses and how they are belittling is quite telling.

Just sayin.

its possible to discuss and have a difference of opinion about the semantics without having to insult others or belittle others.

im not on here saying this is stupid and the pro maskers can go fuck themselves. Im just asking questions…

telling the responses
 
Good. If you have a problem with not being given a privilege, check yourself.

These are your consequences for your right to choose. Deal with it.
 
Orion Bailey said:
. Like i tend to do?

okay. Not sure what that means but whatever…

anyhow i asked his thoughts.

the hypothetical is the whole reason the masks are required. Just in case right? hypothetically speaking right?

Again. If everyone is vacced and everyone who isnt has tested negative recently, then why the masks?
We were told to get vacced to get rid of the masks.
Im sorry the goalpost keep changing and some of us question that and that questioning inferiorstes some so but hey


Just tape our mouths shit from asking questions and tell us to fall in line right?

I love how asking questions brings forth so much hostility from those who claim they for the good of others….

if so maybe dont get so angry and belittling and just try to understand not everyone thinks the same, facts are not out to determine clearly whether masks will help IN THIS SITUATION

and many of us have been falling in line but feel like we just het pushed from one line to the next.

Again. Im fully vaxxed. I wear my mask everywhere required. But i have a right to ask questions and frankly the responses and how they are belittling is quite telling.

Just sayin.

its possible to discuss and have a difference of opinion about the semantics without having to insult others or belittle others.

im not on here saying this is stupid and the pro maskers can go fuck themselves. Im just asking questions…

telling the responses
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Why the masks? because of the possibility that still exists that a vaccinated person could potentially spread to an unvaccinated. My 11 year old isn't eligible yet for the vaccine. So without a mask, I'm putting her at risk by going to a large unmasked gathering. The masks help a great deal in alleviating some of those risks.
 
jonnyboy said:
The Catholic Church alone provides over 200 billion in aid annually in the US alone, that’s just one religion. I’m sure all the various christian organizations combined probably rival that number. This aid isn’t only provided to church members, in fact most of it is given outside the church. Islamic religions also give massive charitable contributions worldwide. For comparison, the US budget for food stamps is around 6 billion annually. Also, try to find a philanthropist that comes close to those numbers.
Stupid religious types almost singlehandedly care for the needy around the world, I don’t know if I’d call that shitting on people and being inclusive.
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Links?
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Masks required too, which is a dealbreaker for me. Likely not going to attend any games where masks are required, it'll be more fun to just watch on TV tbh.

If everyone in attendance is vaccinated or has a negative test, why the mask mandate?
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Kind of agree with this. Not that I disagree about masks. Just that I wear one all day and would rather not have to all evening as well.
Television for me will work well.
 
Orion Bailey said:
The question is if everyone is vaccinated or has a negative test result within 72 hours, will the masks help at all? What are the odds of a breakout with everyone either masked or negative? If the percent is near nill then what help does wearing a mask do once everyone is wither vaccinated or negative?
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RR7 said:
Why the masks? because of the possibility that still exists that a vaccinated person could potentially spread to an unvaccinated. My 11 year old isn't eligible yet for the vaccine. So without a mask, I'm putting her at risk by going to a large unmasked gathering. The masks help a great deal in alleviating some of those risks.
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Precisely. If the vaccinated can still spread, and the unvaccinated can still enter with a negative test, then it's perfectly reasonable to assume that an infected-but-vaccinated individual could infect a negative-but-unvaccinated individual, so wearing masks reduces that risk.
 
RR7 said:
Why the masks? because of the possibility that still exists that a vaccinated person could potentially spread to an unvaccinated. My 11 year old isn't eligible yet for the vaccine. So without a mask, I'm putting her at risk by going to a large unmasked gathering. The masks help a great deal in alleviating some of those risks.
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ahh thank you. A valid answer.

i didnt know kids were still inelligible. Leads to alot of questions. First. Why not when they have been giving them away over had abundance in certain places?

how does that work with getting kids back in school? Wouldnt we want them vaxxed to go back to classes? Much like attending an event?


See this is all i was looking for. I never claimed to know all and thought i asked a legit question.
My question was asked without thought or knowledge of the childrens status.

now i understand more of why a mask should still be used at the games.

Thank You.
 
Orion Bailey said:
i didnt know kids were still inelligible. Leads to alot of questions. First. Why not when they have been giving them away over had abundance in certain places?

how does that work with getting kids back in school? Wouldnt we want them vaxxed to go back to classes? Much like attending an event?
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CDC has only recommended vaccines for 12-and-older. Not sure if/when that's being reviewed, but presently those under 12 aren't legally permitted to receive the vaccine.

Kids back in school have to wear masks, regardless of vaccination status.
 
Just wasted way to much time reading the exact same argument that has been going on for a year and a half that has already been proven.
Masks are a tool to reduce the spread of the virus. They work.
If you don’t want to wear one then don’t but be prepared to be excluded from certain venues and public places until this is over.
Simple as that.
 
donkiez said:
Don't know for sure. The people who have been getting them are doing so against the rules so they are not reporting back. My guess would be similar to the second shot reaction.
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My brother just got a third dose of the Pfizer vaccine. He’s immune-compromised due to a kidney transplant. Zilch reaction to the shot.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Just wasted way to much time reading the exact same argument that has been going on for a year and a half that has already been proven.
Masks are a tool to reduce the spread of the virus. They work.
If you don’t want to wear one then don’t but be prepared to be excluded from certain venues and public places until this is over.
Simple as that.
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so what your saying is i never had to get vaxxed and could just keep wearing my mask?

even though we were told if we get a certain percent of the populous vaxxed we won't need masks?

Its not the exact same argument. Some people need to remove the red from thier vision and read.
To ask if a mask works is not the same as asking if a mask still works once everyone is vaxxed or tested negative.

some of you invite the opposition with your smarter than though comments. Im surprised some of you vey bright individuals arent able to see its yoyr own belittling that keeps the opposition coming back.
Maybe stop acting/sounding so superior to those who have a different opinion and it wont keep going

You attract more bees with honey than vinegar.



or some can continue with…” fuck anti vaxxing idiots. Let them die. Fuck em all”…..

Before anyone says that hasnt been said… its just semantics right?
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Just wasted way to much time reading the exact same argument that has been going on for a year and a half that has already been proven.
Masks are a tool to reduce the spread of the virus. They work.
If you don’t want to wear one then don’t but be prepared to be excluded from certain venues and public places until this is over.
Simple as that.
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id also like to ask when it will be over?

when everyone is safely in a bubble and we have successfully killed off our immune system?
 
People die. Its tragic.
But people die.
Its part of life.
We have grown in population withiut vaccines and naturally built antibodies to the things we aRe exposed to.

This will never be over.
So then what percent is acceptable to get back to no masks and normal living?
 
Orion Bailey said:
so what your saying is i never had to get vaxxed and could just keep wearing my mask?

even though we were told if we get a certain percent of the populous vaxxed we won't need masks?
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  1. The vaccine protects you, and reduces the likelihood of hospitalization, benefiting society as a whole. You wearing a mask isn't to protect yourself, but to protect others
  2. The "everyone getting vaccinated will eliminate the need for masks" promise was based on poor assumptions. They were wrong, and are adjusting to that wrongness.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
  1. The vaccine protects you, and reduces the likelihood of hospitalization, benefiting society as a whole. You wearing a mask isn't to protect yourself, but to protect others
  2. The "everyone getting vaccinated will eliminate the need for masks" promise was based on poor assumptions. They were wrong, and are adjusting to that wrongness.
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they were wrong. Is it possible they might have been/might be wrong about anything else?

i just don't get the hate from some people here for simply asking and questioning things.
especially when these same people claim to be about “others”.
 
Orion Bailey said:
id also like to ask when it will be over?

when everyone is safely in a bubble and we have successfully killed off our immune system?
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Unfortunately, I don't think anyone can predict that. I guess it will be over when a lack of mask mandates doesn't result in the hospitals being overwhelmed. Right now, we're not there. Greater vaccination percentages would make that more likely though.
 
Current Blazer Management,
Due to your dangerous and UnConstitutional requirements invading the personal healthcare and safety choices of all Americans, and your continued tacit approval-by-profit for China's Uyghur Slave Labor Camps, I will never again financially support your organization(s).

I look forward to the inevitable changes in ownership.
Sincerely,
Ed Benjamin
 
Orion Bailey said:
they were wrong. Is it possible they might have been/might be wrong about anything else?

i just don't get the hate from some people here for simply asking and questioning things.
especially when these same people claim to be about “others”.
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Possible. I'm only operating off of what is clearly observable. They optimistically removed mask mandates based on vaccination numbers, then we saw a COVID spike. It's pretty clear correlation (and likely causation). Regardless of what else they might have been wrong about, they are pretty clearly right about this.
 
MODS!!!!! Move this horseshit to OT!!!!

I can’t believe there are human beings actually walking amongst us who don’t believe masks help! Fucking A!

This will never end!
 
Orion Bailey said:
People die. Its tragic.
But people die.
Its part of life.
We have grown in population withiut vaccines and naturally built antibodies to the things we aRe exposed to.

This will never be over.
So then what percent is acceptable to get back to no masks and normal living?
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I don't think it's a percent of people dying so much as the ability of our hospital system to take care of everyone else who isn't a COVID patient. Right now, the volume of COVID infections/hospitalizations is preventing other people from being able to receive treatment for other eminently treatable conditions. Societally, this is what we want to avoid.
 
This is a relevant blazers topic.

i am not anywhere close to being slys boy.

i hope sly gives others the same ultimatum ive been given regarding how i post….
 
THE HCP said:
MODS!!!!! Move this horseshit to OT!!!! Sly come get your boy!!!!

I can’t believe there are human beings actually walking amongst us who don’t believe masks help! Fucking A!

This will never end!
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This is a reasonable discussion and a reasonable main-board topic given that it relates directly to the Blazers. It will likely be merged with the OT board "Covid vaccine game thread" eventually, but it's OK here for now, as long as people are civil.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I don't think it's a percent of people dying so much as the ability of our hospital system to take care of everyone else who isn't a COVID patient. Right now, the volume of COVID infections/hospitalizations is preventing other people from being able to receive treatment for other eminently treatable conditions. Societally, this is what we want to avoid.
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Thanks for providing an up and up convo without belittling or judging. Im going to bow out now, as its getting out of control and i have stipulations i have to adhere to in order to be here…..
 
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