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EL PRESIDENTE said:
But with the mask mandates, people at home are gonna be watching people on TV in masks, thinking the vaccines are bullshit because even if EVERYONE has the vaccine or negative COVID-test, they still have to have the mask on.
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then the problem becomes about messaging, because that's not the truth.
 
illmatic99 said:
then the problem becomes about messaging, because that's not the truth.
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That's whats going to be played out. All the unvaccinated will be at home thinking "even if I got the vaccine, they're still going to make me wear a fucking mask, so what's the use"?
 
illmatic99 said:
nah, you're twisting this. Everyone isn't vaccinated. Nearly half the country isn't. For the herd to be immune, a large population needs to be vaccinated and they just aren't. And the science is clear about carriers and efficacy.

No vaccine is 100% efficacious, but nearly every metric in every endpoint in massive clinical trials with COVID vaccines, the ones now are a marvel of modern science.
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Vaccination in Multnomah County is at 76.9% - nearly half in other areas isn't my concern.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
That's whats going to be played out. All the unvaccinated will be at home thinking "even if I got the vaccine, they're still going to make me wear a fucking mask, so what's the use"?
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i can't believe that people would be so simple minded, but what to do. Public health and medical science isn't as black or white as people want it to be. Everything is a probability and has variance.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
That's whats going to be played out. All the unvaccinated will be at home thinking "even if I got the vaccine, they're still going to make me wear a fucking mask, so what's the use"?
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exactly. Im already thinking it.
I got vaccinated to help us get rid of the masks. Also in hopes it will help of course. Then we hit the vaccinated percent requirement.
But now its vaccine and masks required?
Goalposts keep changing.
 
illmatic99 said:
Call your ticket rep if you are so against it.
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let me ask you this.

if everyone is fully vacced snd/or has a negative test result on hand from within the last 72 hours, what do you think the odds of a breakout happening if no one has a mask on?
 
Orion Bailey said:
let me ask you this.

if everyone is fully vacced snd/or has a negative test result on hand from within the last 72 hours, what do you think the odds of a breakout happening if no one has a mask on?
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How can anyone definitely tell you an answer to that? If masks help the people next to me even a little bit, even after vaccinations I'm fully on board. Goes back to my point about how to me, wearing a mask is absolutely painless compared to even the smallest likelihood of a COVID infection.

Pulling it down to take a drink or snack is such a minor hindrance.
 
illmatic99 said:
How can anyone definitely tell you an answer to that? If masks help the people next to me even a little bit, even after vaccinations I'm fully on board. Goes back to my point about how to me, wearing a mask is absolutely painless compared to even the smallest likelihood of a COVID infection.

Pulling it down to take a drink or snack is such a minor hindrance.
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but do you not see the counter point? If you cant answer that, then how can you answer if the masks help at all?

see this is where some of us maintain a position that not everything has been figured out and most people are basing thier opinions, they assert as facts, without having all the data.

so how can it be okay one way but not the other? Unless its because thats your opinion?
 
Batman, Robin, Zorro and other crime fighters never complain about masks....come to think of it...Jim Carey made a fortune from wearing one....no big deal....people breath in and out at games and the virus can be transmitted from vaccinated people through the air....vaxed person one gives it to vax person two and vaxed person two leaves the game and breathes the virus out into an unsuspecting public....it's a simple precaustion to use protective gear until we are out of the woods on spiking cases...we never should have dropped the mask mandate after people got vaccinated to begin with...it doesn't really change your experience as an audience member to wear a mask.
 
illmatic99 said:
Seriously, the smoke here in Central OR is horrible. I never knew it was this bad until I moved here this Spring. Masks are helping in that regard for sure.
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This hasn't even been a bad year for smoke except a day or two over here.
 
Orion Bailey said:
but do you not see the counter point? If you cant answer that, then how can you answer if the masks help at all?

see this is where some of us maintain a position that not everything has been figured out and most people are basing thier opinions, they assert as facts, without having all the data.

so how can it be okay one way but not the other? Unless its because thats your opinion?
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It's NOT an opinion that masks have a non-zero impact in protecting people. It's also NOT an opinion that masks + vaccinations help stop the spread more than vaccines alone.

None of this is based on opinion. It's facts.

There is no counter to this and it's the kinda bullshit I have no patience for anymore. It's been a year+ of this garbage and I've had multiple people in my circle face this disease in the worst way. If you can't understand the basics, feel free to give up your tickets and stick to watching games on TV.
 
donkiez said:
The booster should be the same but it apparently doesn't hurt to get multiple vaccines. My friend at the clinic says they already see lots of people slipping in for boosters already, or swapping from J&J to moderna because that one is better. They also think the j&j will eventually be phased out.
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Actually I've read that the J&J booster is extremely effective at triggering your body's antibody response. Possibly even more so than the Moderna or Pfizer boosters although that is speculation on my part.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/health/johnson-vaccine-booster-data/index.html
 
illmatic99 said:
It's NOT an opinion that masks have a non-zero impact in protecting people. It's also NOT an opinion that masks + vaccinations help stop the spread more than vaccines alone.

None of this is based on opinion. It's facts.

There is no counter to this and it's the kinda bullshit I have no patience for anymore. It's been a year+ of this garbage and I've had multiple people in my circle face this disease in the worst way. If you can't understand the basics, feel free to give up your tickets and stick to watching games on TV.
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so. You cant state whether masks will help or not but its a fact they will help.

Got it.

And this ladies and gentlemen is why so many dont just fall in line and trust science….



Not sure you know how ridiculous that sounds.
Maybe thats why your patience is running thin?
just a thought.
 
Orion Bailey said:
so. You cant state whether masks will help or not but its a fact they will help.

Got it.

And this ladies and gentlemen is why so many dont just fall in line and trust science….



Not sure you know how ridiculous that sounds.
Maybe thats why your patience is running thin?
just a thought.
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I can't respond to this without personal attacks. So I will refrain. Please ignore my posts.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
you mean the same “stupid religious types” that shit all over everyone else? most widely-practiced religions are inherently exclusive and narrow minded.
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The Catholic Church alone provides over 200 billion in aid annually in the US alone, that’s just one religion. I’m sure all the various christian organizations combined probably rival that number. This aid isn’t only provided to church members, in fact most of it is given outside the church. Islamic religions also give massive charitable contributions worldwide. For comparison, the US budget for food stamps is around 6 billion annually. Also, try to find a philanthropist that comes close to those numbers.
Stupid religious types almost singlehandedly care for the needy around the world, I don’t know if I’d call that shitting on people and being inclusive.
 
Orion Bailey said:
so. You cant state whether masks will help or not but its a fact they will help.

Got it.

And this ladies and gentlemen is why so many dont just fall in line and trust science….



Not sure you know how ridiculous that sounds.
Maybe thats why your patience is running thin?
just a thought.
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Look at the way New Zealand has dealt with the virus and successfully contained it...Taiwan as well...one unmasked businessman sent the country from zero cases to hundreds a day...back to masks...look at the SARS epidemic and how effective masks were and not only that...see how surgeons and nurses wear them at work all the time and have for protection...masks work...vaccinations work....hand washing and not touching your face works....it's really common sense protocol and has nothing to do with American political stubborness
 
illmatic99 said:
I can't respond to this without personal attacks. So I will refrain. Please ignore my posts.
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Why? Are we not able to have an up and up conversation without you demeaning or insulting someone?

sigh…

I asked you a question and you couldn't answer it. I didn't even ask for a factual response. I asked your thoughts. Instead you rambled on about choices.

Im sorry you arent able to have a conversation with someone who question something you say without you having to insult them.

but thank you for acknowledging it i suppose.
 
RR7 said:
I think they did state masks will I deed help.
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How do you have the patience to rehash this year long pseudo debate about mask effectiveness yet again? Like we need to go over why it's helpful to protect one's spittle from reaching others while they're screaming again? If people don't have the common sense for that or understand the Blazers' reasoning for instituting it, there's no point in rehashing it.
 
illmatic99 said:
How do you have the patience to rehash this year long pseudo debate about mask effectiveness yet again? Like we need to go over why it's helpful to protect one's spittle from reaching others while they're screaming again?
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omg. Its not the same. Its not the same conversation. I think your seeing red and not reading man.

The question wasnt whether masks work.

The question is if everyone is vaccinated or has a negative test result within 72 hours, will the masks help at all? What are the odds of a breakout with everyone either masked or negative? If the percent is near nill then what help does wearing a mask do once everyone is wither vaccinated or negative?

Lets stay on track here and not try to belittle others based on a false equivalence.
 
RR7 said:
You asked about the odds of a breakout with no masks.
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for someone who just asked me to read the whole post i give you the same suggestion. Is that what i asked or are you leaving part of my question out?
 
Orion Bailey said:
thats what i asked.
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Yes, I was paraphrasing. But semantics arguments are always fun.
You're creating hypothetical situations like you often tend to and then are demanding answers to them as if it proves anything at all. What are the odds? Who knows. I like the lesser odds of it happening, though, if everyone has a mask on.
 
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