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OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting (9 Viewers)
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Then I would suggest contacting the WHO since they were in part who provided the statistics for that. Sure, you can apply an 'if' to almost anything. But instead of 'ifs', actual numbers were supplied.
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WHO is not responsible for the misuse of data here.
34, 239, 124.21, -394.
Just because they are numbers doesn't make them meaningful.
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The world comes to crap quite often
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I'm thinking that more than anything, that was a date before this really ramped up. (mar. 9th)... now it's grown exponentially.
Not necessarily the source, but the date. I'd like to see this for a more recent date (the last couple of days).
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Somewhere between 11 1/2 months to 17 1/2 months. This is per Dr. Anthony Fauci's last news conference when he discussed the subject about two weeks ago.
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I believe EL PRESIDENTE is Asian.
My wife is Asian and eats rice three times a day virtually every day.
When I was a kid, my mother would serve rice with chicken gravy on top but I can eat it along with my wife's ethnic food. Virtually all Asians live on rice three times a day or every chance, depending on circumstances. North Koreans probably get it the least often. Everytime we throw cooked rice away we think of those starving North Koreans.
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Are you sure? Seems when i get it a bunch of people around me get it as well.
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So the first registered case of this Virus was in November in China. The First case in the US was Jan 21st.
But it took until the 18th of March to get Providence medical center "Up and running" for testing and at this point they only have between 2000-3000 tests that they can administer at around 500 a day. That pretty much means they will run out of tests by the beginning of next week.
By the way. They don't have enough masks, gowns and face shields to test 2000 people and won't have those for at least another month so really it doesn't matter anyway.
https://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-covid-19-testing-capacity-starts-ramping-up/
But it took until the 18th of March to get Providence medical center "Up and running" for testing and at this point they only have between 2000-3000 tests that they can administer at around 500 a day. That pretty much means they will run out of tests by the beginning of next week.
By the way. They don't have enough masks, gowns and face shields to test 2000 people and won't have those for at least another month so really it doesn't matter anyway.
https://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-covid-19-testing-capacity-starts-ramping-up/
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Because I am ready to accept I have been misinformed, I looked up Idaho. The Idaho Statesman ran an editorial criticizing governor for not closing schools or ordering business closures. As of last Sunday, the official state web site said people should go about their business as usual, although it might have changed since then. True, low population inland states have not been as hard hit as high population coastal states. All due respect, seems a good idea to use this time to prepare rather than ostracizing trans people.
Senator Rand Paul opposed the bill, saying he wants to be sure aid goes only to people, not immigrants. Not a slip, be repeated people not immigrants several times. Seig heil!
Senator Rand Paul opposed the bill, saying he wants to be sure aid goes only to people, not immigrants. Not a slip, be repeated people not immigrants several times. Seig heil!
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Pretty sure you were the one filming.
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Thought this was interesting...
Why 'Wet Markets' Persisted In China Despite Disease And Hygiene Concerns
ARI SHAPIRO, HOST:
China is stopping outbound flights, trains and bus rides from the city of Wuhan as the virus that's thought to have started there continues to spread. There are more than 500 confirmed cases of this strain of the coronavirus, which can cause severe respiratory illnesses. Already, there have been 17 deaths in China.
AILSA CHANG, HOST:
Chinese authorities say the outbreak likely began in an open food market in Wuhan. These are markets known as wet markets. And health officials specifically suspect the virus came from wild animals they say were being sold illegally at the Wuhan market. That market was shut down on January 1.
Zhenzhong Si is a research associate at the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada. He focuses on food security and safety in China. Welcome.
ZHENZHONG SI: Thank you.
CHANG: So first, for people who have never been to China, can you just describe what we're talking about here? What is a wet market?
SI: Yeah, of course. Actually, wet markets is the predominant food retail outlets for fresh produce and meat in Chinese cities. A large city typically has a few hundred wet markets. Actually, the Chinese government has been trying to convert many of the wet markets in cities to supermarkets. They tried this in 2002 but failed just because they were no longer able to provide fresh food at a cheaper price, so they lost their original customers.
CHANG: And there are live animals at these markets, right?
SI: Yeah. Yeah. In many of these wet markets, there are live animals. However, after the 2003 SARS outbreak, there has been some crackdown on selling live birds - live poultry, including chicken and ducks as well. So in many wet markets in large cities, you probably wouldn't find many live animals, but you can still find them in some of them...
CHANG: OK.
SI: ...Like this Wuhan market that you just mentioned.
CHANG: And besides maybe live birds, what other kind of live animals might have been at this market?
SI: Oh, there is a photo being circulated since yesterday in Chinese social media, showing the catalog of one store at this market. And you can see from the catalog, they have almost 50 different kinds of species of wild animals being sold. And you can see the price as well. So it's...
CHANG: Like what kind of wild animals?
SI: For example, hedgehogs and peacocks and wild rabbits and snakes, deer; crocodiles as well. Many of these wild animals, they're not necessarily caught in the wild - right? - so they can be farmed animals. They're just exotic food that's not very commonly found.
CHANG: And why are wild animals so popular as a delicacy in China?
SI: Eating wild animal is considered a symbol of wealth because they are more rare and expensive. And wild animals is also considered more natural and, thus, nutritious, compared to farmed meat. It's a belief in traditional Chinese medicine that it can boost the immune system, you know? Of course, some people eat wild animals just because they were driven by curiosity.
CHANG: (Laughter).
SI: It's really difficult to change the mindset of, you know, eating wild animals is better than eating farmed animals. But it's a common kind of mindset in many parts of China.
CHANG: So your research looks at food security, food safety in China. What do you think needs to happen maybe to prevent future outbreaks like this? What changes do you think are important?
SI: Well, certainly, we need better enforcement of policies in wet markets to make sure that there is no food safety risk, especially wild animals and live chicken, for example. However, I want to emphasize that many Chinese municipal governments are actually supporting the development of new wet markets in the city because it's such an important source of fresh produce and meats for the majority of urban residents. It's also a part of the urban lifestyle. Some people argue that it provides a space for socialization, you know, for people to talk to others. And a lot of people enjoy shopping at wet markets compared to supermarkets.
CHANG: Zhenzhong Si of the University of Waterloo is the co-author of the book "Organic Food And Farming In China: Top-Down And Bottom-Up Ecological Initiatives."
Why 'Wet Markets' Persisted In China Despite Disease And Hygiene Concerns
ARI SHAPIRO, HOST:
China is stopping outbound flights, trains and bus rides from the city of Wuhan as the virus that's thought to have started there continues to spread. There are more than 500 confirmed cases of this strain of the coronavirus, which can cause severe respiratory illnesses. Already, there have been 17 deaths in China.
AILSA CHANG, HOST:
Chinese authorities say the outbreak likely began in an open food market in Wuhan. These are markets known as wet markets. And health officials specifically suspect the virus came from wild animals they say were being sold illegally at the Wuhan market. That market was shut down on January 1.
Zhenzhong Si is a research associate at the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada. He focuses on food security and safety in China. Welcome.
ZHENZHONG SI: Thank you.
CHANG: So first, for people who have never been to China, can you just describe what we're talking about here? What is a wet market?
SI: Yeah, of course. Actually, wet markets is the predominant food retail outlets for fresh produce and meat in Chinese cities. A large city typically has a few hundred wet markets. Actually, the Chinese government has been trying to convert many of the wet markets in cities to supermarkets. They tried this in 2002 but failed just because they were no longer able to provide fresh food at a cheaper price, so they lost their original customers.
CHANG: And there are live animals at these markets, right?
SI: Yeah. Yeah. In many of these wet markets, there are live animals. However, after the 2003 SARS outbreak, there has been some crackdown on selling live birds - live poultry, including chicken and ducks as well. So in many wet markets in large cities, you probably wouldn't find many live animals, but you can still find them in some of them...
CHANG: OK.
SI: ...Like this Wuhan market that you just mentioned.
CHANG: And besides maybe live birds, what other kind of live animals might have been at this market?
SI: Oh, there is a photo being circulated since yesterday in Chinese social media, showing the catalog of one store at this market. And you can see from the catalog, they have almost 50 different kinds of species of wild animals being sold. And you can see the price as well. So it's...
CHANG: Like what kind of wild animals?
SI: For example, hedgehogs and peacocks and wild rabbits and snakes, deer; crocodiles as well. Many of these wild animals, they're not necessarily caught in the wild - right? - so they can be farmed animals. They're just exotic food that's not very commonly found.
CHANG: And why are wild animals so popular as a delicacy in China?
SI: Eating wild animal is considered a symbol of wealth because they are more rare and expensive. And wild animals is also considered more natural and, thus, nutritious, compared to farmed meat. It's a belief in traditional Chinese medicine that it can boost the immune system, you know? Of course, some people eat wild animals just because they were driven by curiosity.
CHANG: (Laughter).
SI: It's really difficult to change the mindset of, you know, eating wild animals is better than eating farmed animals. But it's a common kind of mindset in many parts of China.
CHANG: So your research looks at food security, food safety in China. What do you think needs to happen maybe to prevent future outbreaks like this? What changes do you think are important?
SI: Well, certainly, we need better enforcement of policies in wet markets to make sure that there is no food safety risk, especially wild animals and live chicken, for example. However, I want to emphasize that many Chinese municipal governments are actually supporting the development of new wet markets in the city because it's such an important source of fresh produce and meats for the majority of urban residents. It's also a part of the urban lifestyle. Some people argue that it provides a space for socialization, you know, for people to talk to others. And a lot of people enjoy shopping at wet markets compared to supermarkets.
CHANG: Zhenzhong Si of the University of Waterloo is the co-author of the book "Organic Food And Farming In China: Top-Down And Bottom-Up Ecological Initiatives."
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Settle down. What do you think MERS stands for?
Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome
Why? Because that's where it originated.
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Its different, but its not freakout worthy.
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Just like with the Spanish Flu, and German Measles, and the Ebola (river) virus...it's always racism and division that causes people to name illnesses after specific places...
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Well, we already had a SARS, so they couldn't call it "Saudi Arabian" Respiratory Syndrome.
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West Niles virus, Lyme Disease, Japanese Encephalitis. There are probably more than that too. It's interesting, and at this point maybe it's time we stop naming virus's and such that way.
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Heh, if he called it the Asian virus, then folks like @EL PRESIDENTE , and many others in/from that region would be up in arms. Moreover, so-called "racism" is such an overused term these days. Definitely one of those can't win for losin' charmers.
BTW, love your usage of, "C'mon, man" It's so...so...Bidenesque. Keep up the great work!
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Wait, he named it after a deceased female profesional wrestler?! That IS malicious!!
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Great points. BTW, the article I had related above regarding "wet" markets was pretty interesting. Naturally, there's a cause and effect attribute to this whole thing.
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Great....one of the doctors my fiance worked with on Monday just tested positive.
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This is from an analyst guy I use. He's rather savvy and deep-researches everything he relates on his newsletter. Anyway, thought it was a bit encouraging in these times...
We can't focus every day on reading the news and saying, "OH MY GOD, THE WORLD IS GOING TO DIE!"
That is not useful and it's not even true.
Media companies make money scaring you. Politicians stay in office (or get into office) by assuming the worst case and hoping for the best so they can say, "Look, we did everything we could."
So ignore that. Also ignore the market. As I said the other day, as long as it's going up or down 5–10% a day, don't invest. There will be opportunities later.
Is the market cheap? It sure is. $5 trillion in stimulus is going to hit the economy, which is already assuming a worst-case scenario depression, which is not going to happen.
Listen: Keep people safe. Social distancing is fine. I don't want to get this virus. And I don't want to spread it if I get it. I'm socially distancing.
But, be reasonable. Be calm. This is the story of your life and you want to make sure you are the hero of your story.
But it's important to recognize that this pandemic HAS A LIFESPAN MEASURED IN MONTHS and not "forever" as some suggest.
This virus will run its course and we will face massive stimulus to get the economy back in shape. Chinese stock markets are back to all-time highs, for instance.
BUT… here is some good news.
First note: I've seen this list from a few different sources. Some people are claiming it's "fake news."
So I went and CHECKED EVERY, SINGLE ITEM and can say these are all true positive developments.
Vaccine development
An experimental vaccine developed by Moderna, Inc. began the first stage of a clinical trial on Monday, testing on 45 healthy adults in Seattle.
[Note: People say 12 months of study is needed to prove safety, but my guess is they will figure out how to make this faster.]
China's new cases plummet
China has now closed down its last temporary hospital built to handle COVID-19. There are not enough new cases to warrant them.
[Note: Not sure if this is proof that containment worked, since its lockdown occurred late in the game. Containment DOES reduce transmission, though. BUT… this pandemic has a timeline regardless of containment.]
Drugs that work
Doctors in India have successfully treated two Italian patients with COVID-19, administering a combination of drugs — principally Lopinavir and Ritonavir, alongside Oseltamivir and Chloroquine. Several are now suggesting the same medical treatment on a case-by-case basis, globally.
[Note: Chloroquine is a prescription. I've been taking Lactoferrin as an over-the-counter substitute, but consult your doctor. The basic components come from the same bark. Again, consult your doctor.]
Antibodies to the rescue
Researchers at the Erasmus Medical Center claim to have found an antibody that can fend off infection by COVID-19.
[Note: I looked this up. Previously discovered for SARS and not being tested for COVID.]
103-year-old recovery
A 103-year-old Chinese woman has made a full recovery from COVID-19 after being treated for six days in Wuhan, China — becoming the oldest person to beat the disease.
Stores reopening
Apple has reopened all 42 of its retail stores in China.
[Note: Further evidence that the timeline for this pandemic is about three months from beginning to end.]
Test results in 2 hours
Cleveland’s MetroHealth Medical Center has developed a COVID-19 test that can now deliver results in just two hours, rather than in a matter of days.
[Note: True. Question: Why isn't this being used by everyone?]
South Korea's dramatic drop in new cases
After its peak of 909 newly reported COVID-19 cases on February 29th, South Korea has now seen a dramatic drop in the number of new cases reported daily.
[Note: More evidence of a three-month timeline on the pandemic.]
Mortality rates inflated?
Experts predict that Italy has seen a higher mortality rate of COVID-19 given its significant aging population, as well as its higher percentage of COVID-19 patients with pre-existing health conditions. This might suggest that COVID-19’s fatality rate may have been slightly more inflated than previously thought for the general population.
[Note: New cases in Italy seem to be stabilizing the past two–three days.]
Israeli vaccine development
More than 50 scientists in Israel are now working to develop a vaccine and antibody for COVID-19, having reported significant breakthroughs in understanding the biological mechanism and characteristics of the novel coronavirus.
Full recoveries
Three patients in Maryland who tested positive for COVID-19 have now been reported to have “fully recovered.”
Isolated virus
A network of Canadian scientists isolated the COVID-19 virus, which can now be replicated to test diagnostics, treatments, and vaccines.
Yet another vaccine in the works
San Diego biotech company Arcturus Therapeutics is developing a COVID-19 vaccine in collaboration with Duke University and National University of Singapore.
Treatment protocols
Seven patients who were treated for COVID-19 at Jaipur’s Sawai Man Singh (SFS) Hospital and Delhi’s Safdarjung Hospital in India have recovered. The treatment protocol will be widely scaled to other hospitals.
Another treatment
Plasma from newly recovered COVID-19 patients (involving the harvesting of virus-fighting antibodies) holds promise for treating others infected by the virus.
[Note: Oddly… true. People saying this is “fake news,” but look up Takeda Pharma in Japan].
“Good news” doesn't mean "ignore bad news"
But understand:
1) The pandemic has a timeline
2) The level of contagion (the "R naught” number) seems to decrease over time. The virus gets weaker after the initial elderly population gets hit with it.
3) Economies past the peak are moving forward.
In other words:
We will survive this, we will move on, we will have vaccines and treatment. We are acting like it’s a worst-case scenario (which is fine), but realize that the fears are probably more used to manipulate than to inform.
We can't focus every day on reading the news and saying, "OH MY GOD, THE WORLD IS GOING TO DIE!"
That is not useful and it's not even true.
Media companies make money scaring you. Politicians stay in office (or get into office) by assuming the worst case and hoping for the best so they can say, "Look, we did everything we could."
So ignore that. Also ignore the market. As I said the other day, as long as it's going up or down 5–10% a day, don't invest. There will be opportunities later.
Is the market cheap? It sure is. $5 trillion in stimulus is going to hit the economy, which is already assuming a worst-case scenario depression, which is not going to happen.
Listen: Keep people safe. Social distancing is fine. I don't want to get this virus. And I don't want to spread it if I get it. I'm socially distancing.
But, be reasonable. Be calm. This is the story of your life and you want to make sure you are the hero of your story.
But it's important to recognize that this pandemic HAS A LIFESPAN MEASURED IN MONTHS and not "forever" as some suggest.
This virus will run its course and we will face massive stimulus to get the economy back in shape. Chinese stock markets are back to all-time highs, for instance.
BUT… here is some good news.
First note: I've seen this list from a few different sources. Some people are claiming it's "fake news."
So I went and CHECKED EVERY, SINGLE ITEM and can say these are all true positive developments.
Vaccine development
An experimental vaccine developed by Moderna, Inc. began the first stage of a clinical trial on Monday, testing on 45 healthy adults in Seattle.
[Note: People say 12 months of study is needed to prove safety, but my guess is they will figure out how to make this faster.]
China's new cases plummet
China has now closed down its last temporary hospital built to handle COVID-19. There are not enough new cases to warrant them.
[Note: Not sure if this is proof that containment worked, since its lockdown occurred late in the game. Containment DOES reduce transmission, though. BUT… this pandemic has a timeline regardless of containment.]
Drugs that work
Doctors in India have successfully treated two Italian patients with COVID-19, administering a combination of drugs — principally Lopinavir and Ritonavir, alongside Oseltamivir and Chloroquine. Several are now suggesting the same medical treatment on a case-by-case basis, globally.
[Note: Chloroquine is a prescription. I've been taking Lactoferrin as an over-the-counter substitute, but consult your doctor. The basic components come from the same bark. Again, consult your doctor.]
Antibodies to the rescue
Researchers at the Erasmus Medical Center claim to have found an antibody that can fend off infection by COVID-19.
[Note: I looked this up. Previously discovered for SARS and not being tested for COVID.]
103-year-old recovery
A 103-year-old Chinese woman has made a full recovery from COVID-19 after being treated for six days in Wuhan, China — becoming the oldest person to beat the disease.
Stores reopening
Apple has reopened all 42 of its retail stores in China.
[Note: Further evidence that the timeline for this pandemic is about three months from beginning to end.]
Test results in 2 hours
Cleveland’s MetroHealth Medical Center has developed a COVID-19 test that can now deliver results in just two hours, rather than in a matter of days.
[Note: True. Question: Why isn't this being used by everyone?]
South Korea's dramatic drop in new cases
After its peak of 909 newly reported COVID-19 cases on February 29th, South Korea has now seen a dramatic drop in the number of new cases reported daily.
[Note: More evidence of a three-month timeline on the pandemic.]
Mortality rates inflated?
Experts predict that Italy has seen a higher mortality rate of COVID-19 given its significant aging population, as well as its higher percentage of COVID-19 patients with pre-existing health conditions. This might suggest that COVID-19’s fatality rate may have been slightly more inflated than previously thought for the general population.
[Note: New cases in Italy seem to be stabilizing the past two–three days.]
Israeli vaccine development
More than 50 scientists in Israel are now working to develop a vaccine and antibody for COVID-19, having reported significant breakthroughs in understanding the biological mechanism and characteristics of the novel coronavirus.
Full recoveries
Three patients in Maryland who tested positive for COVID-19 have now been reported to have “fully recovered.”
Isolated virus
A network of Canadian scientists isolated the COVID-19 virus, which can now be replicated to test diagnostics, treatments, and vaccines.
Yet another vaccine in the works
San Diego biotech company Arcturus Therapeutics is developing a COVID-19 vaccine in collaboration with Duke University and National University of Singapore.
Treatment protocols
Seven patients who were treated for COVID-19 at Jaipur’s Sawai Man Singh (SFS) Hospital and Delhi’s Safdarjung Hospital in India have recovered. The treatment protocol will be widely scaled to other hospitals.
Another treatment
Plasma from newly recovered COVID-19 patients (involving the harvesting of virus-fighting antibodies) holds promise for treating others infected by the virus.
[Note: Oddly… true. People saying this is “fake news,” but look up Takeda Pharma in Japan].
“Good news” doesn't mean "ignore bad news"
But understand:
1) The pandemic has a timeline
2) The level of contagion (the "R naught” number) seems to decrease over time. The virus gets weaker after the initial elderly population gets hit with it.
3) Economies past the peak are moving forward.
In other words:
We will survive this, we will move on, we will have vaccines and treatment. We are acting like it’s a worst-case scenario (which is fine), but realize that the fears are probably more used to manipulate than to inform.
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We already have a name for this virus. It's called Corona or COVID19. No one was calling if the Chinese Virus until Trump made it a thing. The only reason to call it the Chinese Virus is to promote xenophobia and assign blame.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/20/us/coronavirus-racist-attacks-against-asian-americans/index.html
https://time.com/5797836/coronavirus-racism-stereotypes-attacks/