OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

[wizenheimer]

https://www.mailman.columbia.edu/pu...verty-lack-education-and-other-social-factors

Here’s the study. Estimate 240k deaths in the United States are linked to poverty. Poverty is a most prolific killer.

mags

actually, what it said is:

"245,000 deaths in the United States in the year 2000 were attributable to low levels of education, 176,000 to racial segregation, 162,000 to low social support, 133,000 to individual-level poverty, 119,000 to income inequality, and 39,000 to area-level poverty."

* low levels of education - trump proposed a 7.8% cut of the education department
* 176,000 to racial segregation - lol, yeah, trump is a big fan of minorities
* 162,000 to low social support - trump has been working OT to gut the ACA and food stamp program, and that's the short list
* 133,000 to poverty - trump's last budget proposed massive cuts to poverty assistance
* 119,00o to income equality - income equality has had a massive acceleration under trump

there was a conclusion from the study too:

"These findings argue for a broader public health conceptualization of the causes of mortality and an expansive policy approach that considers how social factors can be addressed to improve the health of populations"

that's the opposite of trump's policies

 

[magnifier661]

Never said it should be ignored.

Or discounted

 

[magnifier661]

actually, what it said is:

"245,000 deaths in the United States in the year 2000 were attributable to low levels of education, 176,000 to racial segregation, 162,000 to low social support, 133,000 to individual-level poverty, 119,000 to income inequality, and 39,000 to area-level poverty."

* low levels of education - trump proposed a 7.8% cut of the education department
* 176,000 to racial segregation - lol, yeah, trump is a big fan of minorities
* 162,000 to low social support - trump has been working OT to gut the ACA and food stamp program, and that's the short list
* 133,000 to poverty - trump's last budget proposed massive cuts to poverty assistance
* 119,00o to income equality - income equality has had a massive acceleration under trump

there was a conclusion from the study too:

"These findings argue for a broader public health conceptualization of the causes of mortality and an expansive policy approach that considers how social factors can be addressed to improve the health of populations"

that's the opposite of trump's policies

All based on poverty situations. Don’t try and spin it.

 

[wizenheimer]

All based on poverty situations. Don’t try and spin it.

I'm not trying to spin it.

I'm simply saying if you are truly concerned about the mortality rate of poverty, you should hate trump and want his ass out of the white house.

 

[magnifier661]

I'm not trying to spin it.

I'm simply saying if you are truly concerned about the mortality rate of poverty, you should hate trump and want his ass out of the white house.

I think that general statement was lazy and misinformed. What you feel and what is fact are two entirely different things. I can name multiple policies that Trump was a part of that were directed to revitalize Urban areas. Things he did for a voting block that only voted 7% in favor of him.

let’s get back to talking about covid. You wanna talk about that shit, bring it to the old man VS old man thread.

 

[wizenheimer]

I think that general statement was lazy and misinformed.

don't be so hard on yourself...it's kind of late

 

[magnifier661]

don't be so hard on yourself...it's kind of late

Im being hard on you. Yeah, it is getting late.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Strenuus]

All based on poverty situations. Don’t try and spin it.

Yeah! That's your job.

 

[Strenuus]

Did he summarize but at the same time pretty much say the quote before the quote?

Why, I say, he accosted him!

HA!

 

[yankeesince59]

Then if they have visas, they shouldn’t have any problem. The same ban on China allowed citizens and green card holders to get “repatriated” back into the country.

and if they are in the Country, they should be fine. This only applies for new immigration.

Why is he waiting till just now to do this?

 

[yankeesince59]

See this is a perfect example.

If this is accurate and >70% of inmates (who are by definition in 'lock-down') tested positive, then how does locking down the general public do any good to stop the spread?

Because the general population isn't all in a tightly packed/concentrated area like prisons are.

 

[crandc]

How so?

The virus is not going to go away. There will be a second wave and probably a third wave. With how infectious the virus is, it will circle the globe several time over. What we're doing right now is not sustainable.

Sweden's approach is the most sensible to me. They haven't completely destroyed their economy - but are trying to take a sensible approach to minimizing spread. When I look at their numbers compared to other countries, they appear to be in the middle of the pack... which really makes me question whether this lock-down is doing any good or if we would've seen the same 'flattening of the curve' if we'd implemented Sweden's approach.

Ah yes, the right and Trump TV suddenly love social democratic Sweden. Sadly, Sweden has a massive COVID-19 epidemic. Compare their infection and death rate to other Scandinavian countries, the ones who did shut down. It's off the charts and still going up. Facts matter.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Why is he waiting till just now to do this?

Good question. Supposedly (according to one side of the aisle) he's just been itching to shut down immigration since day one of hiss presidency. If he's just using the pandemic as an excuse to do something he's wanted to do for years, wouldn't he have done it a month ago?

 

[yankeesince59]

Good question. Supposedly (according to one side of the aisle) he's just been itching to shut down immigration since day one of hiss presidency. If he's just using the pandemic as an excuse to do something he's wanted to do for years, wouldn't he have done it a month ago?

Exactly...then again, considering that he was at least a month tardy in even acknowledging and acting on this virus, it might also explain why he's a month behind on shutting down immigration.

 

[yankeesince59]

Of all the businesses that could be gradually reopened, these are the ones out governor has decided that should open first.

1. Gyms
2. Bowling alleys
3. Tattoo parlors
4. Barbers
5. Hair and nail salons
6. Massage centers


...seriously?...yeah, let's go with the businesses that require people to be in close proximity to others.

 

[yankeesince59]

Some people don't care to watch yet another episode of something that they have seen before and that they know in advance is going to be a self-promoting Trump shit show.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Why will they be unemployed though?
Will it be because they refuse to take or do anything less than they were before they were laid off?
Or will it be because there are no actual jobs.
Big differences imo.

Pride will keep at least a portion of the currently unemployed, unemployed for lengthy periods of time.

Im sure the answer is both. I think a lot of jobs arent coming back, but Im sure some people will refuse to work certain jobs too.
To be fair say you have a degree, you’re educated you were working for 75k+ a year doing what you wanted to do its quite a leap to say now you take job for 40k, doing something you dont want too. Not trying to make an excuse, as much as just to say I have some empathy for people who may be put in that situation.
Side note: last time I saw you post (about a month ago)& you posted some things that seemed pretty sad and personal, while its not my business at all, I hope that you’re doing well.

Ah yes, the right and Trump TV suddenly love social democratic Sweden. Sadly, Sweden has a massive COVID-19 epidemic. Compare their infection and death rate to other Scandinavian countries, the ones who did shut down. It's off the charts and still going up. Facts matter.

.01% of their population has died from it and thats a massive off the charts epidemic? We really dont know if what theyve done will work or not as time goes on but Its definitely an interesting approach. They have factors in sweden that may give them advantages over other places.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Some people don't care to watch yet another episode of something that they have seen before and that they know in advance is going to be a self-promoting Trump shit show.

So by your logic, Myself and half this forum should just stop coming here because we know in advance it's just gonna be another day of the same voices saying the same thing over and over.....

A big fucking antitrump circle jerk of threads that people keep ruining with their disturbing hatred.


Nice excuse....

Every excusee... WHY TRUMP is a shit show. ??? Why Trump is an idiot.

No logic. no factualk references to the topic at hand;. ]

"Just another Trump shit show... der.. Thats all Is gots do is its da trump shit show... der......"

me's aints gots no oda argument, but Trump is evil.

DER....

 

[Orion Bailey]

Ah yes, the right and Trump TV suddenly love social democratic Sweden. Sadly, Sweden has a massive COVID-19 epidemic. Compare their infection and death rate to other Scandinavian countries, the ones who did shut down. It's off the charts and still going up. Facts matter.

Where is your link to these facts?

Not trying to be a dick, but it is hard to take seriously someone who posts that "facts matter", but don't actually post the facts from a report?

Just sayin....

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Where is your link to these facts?

Not trying to be a dick, but it is hard to take seriously someone who posts that "facts matter", but don't actually post the facts from a report?

Just sayin....

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

The other surrounding countries do have less deaths so far. It’ll be interesting how things shake up.

 

[Lanny]

This is that Charlatan that says he has the power to blow the Covid-19 away.

Charlatan is a perfect descriptor.
My Alabama grandmother was a perfect sucker for these kinds of phony church tv evangelists. Now, my aunt, with an IQ below 70 and a disposition makes me love her dearly, is a sucker for all these phony tv evangelists. We give her a tiny bit of money so she can enjoy giving it to these charlatans. Yep, I love her that much.

 

[Orion Bailey]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

The other surrounding countries do have less deaths so far. It’ll be interesting how things shake up.

Thanks for that.

So the claim is that not having a lockdown is idiotic and causing massive more deaths.

I look just south and west on the map and there is Belgium, slightly smaller. Been in lockdown and extending the lockdown. They are in worse shape than Sweden.

So by this logic the lockdown doesn't work either, no?


Just saying some are so quick to throw extreme, hateful statements out there supporting their agenda, when there are factual arguments to be made on both sides.

I know you didn't make these comments, you were just kind enough to offer up the facts.

Id love one day to come here and go one session of reading up and not have to read all of these over the top statements... It really is a sign of where we are when we just blast off extreme statements based off hate, when there is evidence that can counter the topic that founded the hate speech to begin with......

Where is our reason? Where is our logic? Where is our patience to want to know all the facts before closing the door with a judgement?

This is what scares me. Not covid. Its people.....

And I beleive people are just following what the media does and has been doing for soooo long.....

 

[Strenuus]

So by your logic, Myself and half this forum should just stop coming here because we know in advance it's just gonna be another day of the same voices saying the same thing over and over.....

A big fucking antitrump circle jerk of threads that people keep ruining with their disturbing hatred.


Nice excuse....

Every excusee... WHY TRUMP is a shit show. ??? Why Trump is an idiot.

No logic. no factualk references to the topic at hand;. ]

"Just another Trump shit show... der.. Thats all Is gots do is its da trump shit show... der......"

me's aints gots no oda argument, but Trump is evil.

DER....

What scientific knowledge has actually been gleaned from those conferences?

What hope or unity has come from those conferences?

What actual verifible, not-lying facts have been uttered?

I just want a president who cares about people, not money. Those conferences tell me the exact opposite.

Have you noticed he's never once acknowledged or given thoughts and prayers to one single person during these conferences. They are all statistics for him, not people.

 

[Orion Bailey]

What scientific knowledge has actually been gleaned from those conferences?

What hope or unity has come from those conferences?

What actual verifible, not-lying facts have been uttered?

I just want a president who cares about people, not money. Those conferences tell me the exact opposite.

Have you noticed he's never once acknowledged or given thoughts and prayers to one single person during these conferences. They are all statistics for him, not people.

I'm sorry, But when a President comes to address the nation, I don't need him having a national prayer for those who lost their lives. Where then do we draw the line? Thousands of lives are lost every day to non corona. Are they valued less? Why dont we stop and break and pray for them too? By this logic, he should be doing nothing but having prayer meeting press conferences....

I want the President to provide facts and information and let Americans grieve how they prefer to grieve.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

 

[magnifier661]

What scientific knowledge has actually been gleaned from those conferences?

What hope or unity has come from those conferences?

What actual verifible, not-lying facts have been uttered?

I just want a president who cares about people, not money. Those conferences tell me the exact opposite.

Have you noticed he's never once acknowledged or given thoughts and prayers to one single person during these conferences. They are all statistics for him, not people.

Wrong. Would you like to see the multiple videos of him sending his thoughts and prayers to the victims, his praise to the front line workers or praise to his team for their tireless efforts?

don’t go barking something we all know you don’t watch. It’s pretty obvious you have your opinions without even spending one second watching objectively on the issue. I’ve posted links to the last 3 pandemic briefings. Have you watched them?

 

[magnifier661]

Why is he waiting till just now to do this?

Because it wouldn’t matter to you or whomever is a never trumper. If he did it Jan 30th, it would be too early, if he does it later, it would be too late. If his team found a cure, it wouldn’t be fast enough. If his team doesn’t find a cure, you would say it’s because of his incompetence.

 

[CupWizier]

Wrong. Would you like to see the multiple videos of him sending his thoughts and prayers to the victims, his praise to the front line workers or praise to his team for their tireless efforts?

don’t go barking something we all know you don’t watch. It’s pretty obvious you have your opinions without even spending one second watching objectively on the issue. I’ve posted links to the last 3 pandemic briefings. Have you watched them?

as far as trump goes, one briefing is just like the other. Keeps saying basically the same thing and seldom ever gives any useful day=ta going forward. Watch Coumo and how he talks to the people. A stark contrast to trump as Coumo talks to the people where as trump talks over the people. His only interest is promoting himself.

 

[CupWizier]

Because it wouldn’t matter to you or whomever is a never trumper. If he did it Jan 30th, it would be too early, if he does it later, it would be too late. If his team found a cure, it wouldn’t be fast enough. If his team doesn’t find a cure, you would say it’s because of his incompetence.

Those sound like excuses.