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wizenheimer said:
the Sweden experiment seems to be failing spectacularly. It's been held up as the template for balancing the pandemic and the economy, so how is it doing in those two areas compared to it's neighbors who have implemented policies Sweden has not:

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ok then, it's insane how high it's rate is compared to it's Scandinavian neighbors

it looks a little better when compared to all of Europe and the US:

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but 3 weeks ago it's deaths/million was well under 100. It is skyrocketing up the list

but enough of that, the goal was to protect it's economy. How's that working out? How does Sweden's expected economic contraction compare to other nations in Europe?

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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/cor...ntract-as-severely-as-the-rest-of-europe.html

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ter-and-conservatives-want-more-of-that-death
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Sweden's stated goal...the official policy....was to weather the storm and develop herd immunity in a few weeks. That's when 70-90% of the population has developed immunity. So then, where is Sweden now in reaching that goal of 70-90%?

"Sweden has revealed that despite adopting more relaxed measures to control coronavirus, only 7.3% of people in Stockholm had developed the antibodies needed to fight the disease by late April.
The figure, which Sweden's Public Health Authority confirmed to CNN, is roughly similar to other countries that have data and well below the 70-90% needed to create "herd immunity" in a population."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/21/health/sweden-herd-immunity-coronavirus-intl/index.html

these are really interesting developments that cut strongly against the talking points coming out of the white house and fox news (and some posters here). It also strongly refutes the arguments that the virus is widespread and has infected a lot more people than reported. The virus doesn't seem to give a shit about talking points.

It also is a very strong argument that it isn't government policies that are killing economies, it's the behavior of people as they hunker down and try to avoid the virus. Doesn't seem like too many people are volunteering to be soldiers against Covid by overtly risking exposure and developing immunity.
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The report I heard about on PBS The News Hour said that Sweden had the highest death rate among the Nordic countries and the second highest rate in Europe behind Belgium.
 
Minstrel said:
This is a very good and important point. Trump, certain governors and protestors can go on and on about how the economy needs to re-open and allow people to go back to normal--but no "re-opening" matters if most people continue mostly staying at home and don't congregate and don't do in-person non-essential things. The economy is still going to struggle along.
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the restaurant industry had collapsed and flat-lined before any stay at home orders were issued

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riverman said:
On my way to the hospital to get my heart checked today.....will probably be tested for the virus...if I end up having it and die in the hospital I thought I'd just say..."fuck Donald Trump" here and "vote"....wish me luck …..
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Didn't get tested at the hospital...which to me is really dumb for a cardiology wing of a hospital this day and age....did pass the temp check and actually, the whole trip seems now like it was a waste of time..the first responders there said they don't even get tested and don't understand why...I feel sorry for them...instead of putting up two giant billboards declaring them heroes, I think they'd all rather have tests daily when they show up for work....as it is, they don't
 
And Sweden, let us remember, has excellent national health, so following Swedish model here means all the risk with none of the benefits.
 
riverman said:
Didn't get tested at the hospital...which to me is really dumb for a cardiology wing of a hospital this day and age....did pass the temp check and actually, the whole trip seems now like it was a waste of time..the first responders there said they don't even get tested and don't understand why...I feel sorry for them...instead of putting up two giant billboards declaring them heroes, I think they'd all rather have tests daily when they show up for work....as it is, they don't
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Hope your check up went well today and it blows me away they wouldn't test you!
There is so much talk about testing and A Systematic's walking around you'd think they'd want to test a heart patient.
So much talk about safety precautions and they miss some of the simply ways to do it?
 
Not sure how what Fauci said is something anyone denied was a real possibility. No one is saying we should be closed forever. We just can't rush back in and think things are fine.
 
Too bad Fauci's on the Trump task force. I bet if he wasn't he'd be able to speak his mind more freely. I wonder what he thinks of what Laurie Garrett has to say about all this?
 
julius said:
Not sure how what Fauci said is something anyone denied was a real possibility. No one is saying we should be closed forever. We just can't rush back in and think things are fine.
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Unfortunately, this simple concept is lost on some.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Unfortunately, this simple concept is lost on some.
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Well, I've removed my mask and gloves, keep my distance, practice hygiene, and am no worse for the wear. I'm not gonna get caught up in this, below.

 
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ABM said:
. I'm not gonna get caught up in this, below.
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I think that's a Patrick Ewing quote...thing is, everyone who gets this got it by thinking, hey, I'm good......relax...you guys are just overreacting, this will go away...nurse at the hospital today didn't seem to think so when I went in..she said people are being stupid about not wearing the masks......I'll take her word for it ...stay safe
 


“The numbers are unprecedented,” Dr. Michael deBoisblanc of John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek, California, told ABC 7 Newsabout the increase of deaths by suicide, adding that he’s seen a “year’s worth of suicides” in the last four weeks alone.
 
jonnyboy said:


“The numbers are unprecedented,” Dr. Michael deBoisblanc of John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek, California, told ABC 7 Newsabout the increase of deaths by suicide, adding that he’s seen a “year’s worth of suicides” in the last four weeks alone.
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IMO there are some things very wrong with that article but going there is not going to change opinions.

Bottom line, this is a worldwide pandemic. We need to be kinder and more helpful to each other. Yes, there are some people who are very isolated and scared. This is the time to reach out to your neighbors and family. You may not be able to hug them or physically comfort them but you can listen, you can reach out in person (while maintaining a safe distance.)

It doesn't have to be an either or situation, reducing the impact of the virus while reducing people's pain. We can maintain social distancing and comfort those who are feeling alone, scared, and isolated.
 
magnifier661 said:
Damn, the remdesivir study is really bad
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Huh?

RESULTS
A total of 1063 patients underwent randomization. The data and safety monitoring board recommended early unblinding of the results on the basis of findings from an analysis that showed shortened time to recovery in the remdesivir group. Preliminary results from the 1059 patients (538 assigned to remdesivir and 521 to placebo) with data available after randomization indicated that those who received remdesivir had a median recovery time of 11 days (95% confidence interval [CI], 9 to 12), as compared with 15 days (95% CI, 13 to 19) in those who received placebo (rate ratio for recovery, 1.32; 95% CI, 1.12 to 1.55; P<0.001). The Kaplan-Meier estimates of mortality by 14 days were 7.1% with remdesivir and 11.9% with placebo (hazard ratio for death, 0.70; 95% CI, 0.47 to 1.04). Serious adverse events were reported for 114 of the 541 patients in the remdesivir group who underwent randomization (21.1%) and 141 of the 522 patients in the placebo group who underwent randomization (27.0%).​
 
NBA legend Patrick Ewing, 57, is rushed to hospital with coronavirus and placed in isolation as he describes COVID-19 as something 'not to be taken lightly'
  • Ewing was admitted to a Washington, D.C. hospital Friday evening and he is currently in isolation
  • The former New York Knicks star has released a statement saying the virus is 'serious', but insists 'he will be fine'
  • He currently serves as head coach of Georgetown University's basketball team; the school says no other member of the program has tested positive to the virus
  • As of Friday night, more than 1.6 million Americans have contracted COVID-19, and more than 95,000 have died
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...7-hospitalized-testing-positive-COVID-19.html
 
SlyPokerDog said:
IMO there are some things very wrong with that article but going there is not going to change opinions.

Bottom line, this is a worldwide pandemic. We need to be kinder and more helpful to each other. Yes, there are some people who are very isolated and scared. This is the time to reach out to your neighbors and family. You may not be able to hug them or physically comfort them but you can listen, you can reach out in person (while maintaining a safe distance.)

It doesn't have to be an either or situation, reducing the impact of the virus while reducing people's pain. We can maintain social distancing and comfort those who are feeling alone, scared, and isolated.
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SlyPokerDog said:
Huh?

RESULTS
A total of 1063 patients underwent randomization. The data and safety monitoring board recommended early unblinding of the results on the basis of findings from an analysis that showed shortened time to recovery in the remdesivir group. Preliminary results from the 1059 patients (538 assigned to remdesivir and 521 to placebo) with data available after randomization indicated that those who received remdesivir had a median recovery time of 11 days (95% confidence interval [CI], 9 to 12), as compared with 15 days (95% CI, 13 to 19) in those who received placebo (rate ratio for recovery, 1.32; 95% CI, 1.12 to 1.55; P<0.001). The Kaplan-Meier estimates of mortality by 14 days were 7.1% with remdesivir and 11.9% with placebo (hazard ratio for death, 0.70; 95% CI, 0.47 to 1.04). Serious adverse events were reported for 114 of the 541 patients in the remdesivir group who underwent randomization (21.1%) and 141 of the 522 patients in the placebo group who underwent randomization (27.0%).​
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Placebo on ventilators did moderately better than test patients.

Benefits are for patients not on ventilators
 
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